Please, no "Superman Begins"

[Sam]

I have never seen the appeal:

The role was offered to him before, wasnt it? He always said no. He even talk about this on interviews, saying he has no interest at all playing Superman.

 

[Double Down]

According to Superman vs. Hollywood, Hartnett did a screen test, then turned the role down four times. Ratner really wanted him for the role.

 

[Double Down]

That book is a serious must-own for Superman movie fans.

 

[[A]]

I've never seen Superman's origin. I wasn't alive in 1978.

Wow. Just.. wow.

 

[El Payaso]

I have never seen the appeal:

Separated at birth!

 

[Double Down]

 

[DavidTyler]

Yeah well...that's pretty much what happens...there have been different versions, but in the end, they all have "Jor-El decides the planet is going to blow up and sends his baby to Earth" in common...the only reason to expand on Krypton scenes is to establish the origin of the possible villain...

Before you and I continue this conversation, please pick up a copy of Man Of Steel and pay close attention to the Krypton part of the story.

I'm a little tired of explaining how the MOS version of the story is a great rebellion story featuring Jor-El as the young rebel and how, if it's done correctly, is a great science fiction story on the order of Logan's Run or Blade Runner.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Hartnett looks like a village idiot in that pic.

I agree. Thank god he "turned down" the role...

 

[TheBatman1979]

I still disagree with the "no origin" policy some of the fans take with this. If I take my 6 year old to see a Superman movie and he doesn't walks out not knowing how Superman came to be and I have to explain it doesn't it lose something?

You want Superman to be a film you can take your kids to and they get the full effect.

Yes I know Superman's origin, but a lot of people don't. Just because it's common comic book knowledge doesn't make common GP knowledge.

 

[Double Down]

Did your kids want to see the Joker's origins, too? Would that have improved The Dark Knight? I have never weighed in on the origin issue, but by no means is it essential.

 

[TheBatman1979]

Did your kids want to see the Joker's origins, too? Would that have improved The Dark Knight? I have never weighed in on the origin issue, but by no means is it essential.

The Joker's origin I wouldn't say is essential, being that although he is the villain/nemesis he isn't the main character and his origin isn't integral to the story. You don't need to know where The Joker came from, only that he's evil and must be stopped. And in no way is the Dark Knight meant to be a kid friendly movie.

I think as far as Superman is concerned, him being One of the "Big Three" it might be beneficial to have his origin on film for the current Generation, not just us old time geeks who happen to know it all. Especially since the last good Superman film came out before half of this generation was born.

 

[Sam]

Did your kids want to see the Joker's origins, too? Would that have improved The Dark Knight? I have never weighed in on the origin issue, but by no means is it essential.

Joker to Superman is a BIG difference. Superman is the main character, u are supposed to be connected with him. Relate to him.

Maybe they dont want Joker's origin, but they want to see Batman, Spiderman, X-Men, etc origins. Otherwise, u loose reference.

 

[Double Down]

Okay, then how about Han Solo? There are a million examples. We don't need to see "the origins" of every character. If you sit your kids down to watch Superman: The Movie, and start the movie when he gets to Metropolis, do you think they are going to complain? Will they say, "Now how did this happen? What were his oriogins?"
I have watched S:TM with kids and they get bored during the origin part.

 

[TheBatman1979]

Okay, then how about Han Solo? There are a million examples. We don't need to see "the origins" of every character. If you sit your kids down to watch Superman: The Movie, and start the movie when he gets to Metropolis, do you think they are going to complain? Will they say, "Now how did this happen? What were his oriogins?"
I have watched S:TM with kids and they get bored during the origin part.

My oldest(9) enjoyed it but my younger ones didn't, then again it's dated for them. Were it updated it could be better for them. They enjoyed Spider-mans origin and Batman's origin but they were bored with Iron Man's origin until he donned the suit.

I guess it depends, but I'm still a firm believer that Superman's origin should be done for this generation.

 

[Double Down]

And, again, I am not saying you can't have an origin, I'm just saying it isn't essential.

 

[Double Down]

My oldest(9) enjoyed it but my younger ones didn't, then again it's dated for them. Were it updated it could be better for them. They enjoyed Spider-mans origin and Batman's origin but they were bored with Iron Man's origin until he donned the suit.

I guess it depends, but I'm still a firm believer that Superman's origin should be done for this generation.

Didn't Smallville do that?

 

[Sam]

Okay, then how about Han Solo? There are a million examples. We don't need to see "the origins" of every character. If you sit your kids down to watch Superman: The Movie, and start the movie when he gets to Metropolis, do you think they are going to complain? Will they say, "Now how did this happen? What were his oriogins?"
I have watched S:TM with kids and they get bored during the origin part.

We are not talking about every characters. We are talking about THE MAIN character. U dont know origin of Han Solo, but U KNOW origin of Luke Skywalker.

Oh, really? kids got bored during origin part OF A MOVIE MADE 30 YEARS AGO? Big surprise. THATS EXACTLY WHY WE NEED NEW ORIGIN.

 

[TheBatman1979]

And, again, I am not saying you can't have an origin, I'm just saying it isn't essential.

Agreed, it isn't essential, but I think for a Superman movie to have the build of a tentpole that the WB wants an origin is the way to go.

 

[TheBatman1979]

Didn't Smallville do that?

You think my kids want to watch a show about Superman and they never actually get to see Superman?

 

[Double Down]

I'll be honest, they can do whatever they want, I just really want to see Routh return. If they need to redo the origin to set that up, then that's fine.

 

[Double Down]

You think my kids want to watch a show about Superman and they never actually get to see Superman?

I was sort of being sarcastic.

 

[TheBatman1979]

I was sort of being sarcastic.

Gotcha.

I guess we'll find out after Nolan Signs and all the casting gets going on the "other" Dc projects.

 

[Double Down]

It's going to take forever.

 

[TheBatman1979]

It's going to take forever.

I honestly believe Nolan will be signed by the begining of next year. He'll make one small film and then start on the Batman movie for a Summer 2011 release.

 

[Double Down]

My hope is that they cast Routh as Clark Kent in the Green Lantern movie (as has been rumored) and then we can move on to discussing things other than casting, such as villains.