Please, no "Superman Begins"

[TheBatman1979]

My hope is that they cast Routh as Clark Kent in the Green Lantern movie (as has been rumored) and then we can move on to discussing things other than casting, such as villains.

I think you're going to get your wish.

 

[Lucid]

Please, no "Superman Begins"

Great stories are worth retelling. That's why we have so many movie adaptations of classic literature over and over again. The Superman origin story is as wonderful as any in classic literature and is worthy of retelling to each new generation.

 

[SonikDeath]

Superman Begins seems to be the only thing Warners Brothers can do right now.

I think they should have just re-started Superman instead of making Superman Returns.

 

[DavidTyler]

Superman Begins seems to be the only thing Warners Brothers can do right now.

I think they should have just re-started Superman instead of making Superman Returns.

Agreed.

Problem is that the suits at the WB think they know more about what the fans want than what the fans want.

Bunch of moron in my opinion. Using Batman Begins and The Dark Knight as solid examples, Nolan gave us pretty much what the fans had been asking for - a mature story with the characters fairly faithful to the current comics and set in the semi-real world of today. No new characters that would screw up the franchise. No throwbacks to early live action attempts (and here I'm talking about the Burton/Schumacher/Dozier Batmans).

 

[The Guard]

Problem is that the suits at the WB think they know more about what the fans want than what the fans want.

I don't know about that. What makes you think the suits even care what fans want, as opposed to what the general public wants?

 

[Matt]

I completely disagree with the OP. A "Superman Begins" is absolutely necessary if Superman is to become beloved by a whole new generation. "Everyone already knows Superman's origin" is a common catchphrase, but I'm not so sure anymore. Fewer people under 20 nowadays have watched the Donner movies. Bruce Timm's animated series from the 1990s, seen as "recent" by people here, is before the time of a twelve year old today (the show ended and went off the air when that kid was 4).

For many people, especially the young demographic who a superhero movie should try to grab, Superman Returns was their FIRST exposure to the character. They didn't know anything about him, yet the movie started off by telling everyone that they already missed the character's greatest adventures, everything that made him Superman. That alienates newcomers right there. It alienated ME, and I'm familiar with the character. However I wanted to see a new big screen Superman for MY generation, reinterpreted to fit current styles but still remaining faithful to the source. Instead we got a sequel to the Donner movies, in a weirdo post-Superman story that came across more like a bookend to the series than a new beginning.

BB was a success because it reintroduced Batman right from the beginning and made him cool. People were brought on board for the journey. SR was a disappointment because it was made primarily to satisfy Singer's fanboy love for Donner's old movies. People just didn't connect to Brandon Routh's Superman as much as they did to Bale's Batman, because they were left on the outside.

That is like, the post of the year

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's a great post and it said what we were saying far better than we said it.

 

[Showtime]

A good post, post of the year, a bit of a stretch.

 

[stargazer]

I don't know about that. What makes you think the suits even care what fans want, as opposed to what the general public wants?

Meh, all the suits care about is this: $$$$

LOTS OF IT. They don't care about these characters like we do. That's why Beverly Hills Chihuahua will probably get a sequel... lol!

 

[Showtime]

It's because it is making money, and the studios are running a business.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's because it is making money, and the studios are running a business.

How dare you make sense! This post is why you are my least favorite poster.

 

[RakuMon]

I completely disagree with the OP. A "Superman Begins" is absolutely necessary if Superman is to become beloved by a whole new generation. "Everyone already knows Superman's origin" is a common catchphrase, but I'm not so sure anymore. Fewer people under 20 nowadays have watched the Donner movies. Bruce Timm's animated series from the 1990s, seen as "recent" by people here, is before the time of a twelve year old today (the show ended and went off the air when that kid was 4).

For many people, especially the young demographic who a superhero movie should try to grab, Superman Returns was their FIRST exposure to the character. They didn't know anything about him, yet the movie started off by telling everyone that they already missed the character's greatest adventures, everything that made him Superman. That alienates newcomers right there. It alienated ME, and I'm familiar with the character. However I wanted to see a new big screen Superman for MY generation, reinterpreted to fit current styles but still remaining faithful to the source. Instead we got a sequel to the Donner movies, in a weirdo post-Superman story that came across more like a bookend to the series than a new beginning.

BB was a success because it reintroduced Batman right from the beginning and made him cool. People were brought on board for the journey. SR was a disappointment because it was made primarily to satisfy Singer's fanboy love for Donner's old movies. People just didn't connect to Brandon Routh's Superman as much as they did to Bale's Batman, because they were left on the outside.

Totally agree with the sentiment of this post! Though, I do have to point out that, like it or not, 'Smallville' is a lot of people's first exposure to Superman's origin. It is almost more recent than the Timmiverse and the Donnerverse. But I still agree with you that the notion that "everyone knows Superman's origins" doesn't mean you can't formulate a movie that incorporates at least parts of the origin story.

100% agree with CL55...they need to get back to the comics and away from Donner...Like BB they need to go back to the comics and fill in the blanks of Clark Kent's origin, just Like Nolan and Goyer did for Bruce Wayne. Waid's "Birthright" arc is a great place to start, as is Jeph Loeb's Superman for All Seasons. A mix of the two stories I think makes a great backbone for a terrific Superman movie...These are great "starting points" to grab new fans and to update Superman for the new generation...you sure as hell can't assume that "everyone knows Superman's origin," Cuz most people don't. Do you know how many times I was asked, "When did Superman bang Lois?" You have to start from the beginning.

And this is the best way to do it. A blend of "Birthright" and "For All Seasons" is the perfect way to reintroduce Superman to modern audiences!

 

[stargazer]

It's because it is making money, and the studios are running a business.

Yeah. And that's why we usually get the same generic, formulaic and cliched type of movies like Transformers among so many others.



Also, it's so funny how some people want the next Superman movie to go back to the comics and forget all about the Donnerverse behind, when the recent comics have been incorporating more Donnerverse elements into the continuity! Eh! Ironic.

 

[Showtime]

Yeah. And that's why we usually get the same generic, formulaic and cliched type of movies like Transformers among so many others.

Every movie follows a certain template or formula, believe it or not Superman Returns did as well, along with some cliches. That doesn't necessarily make the movie good or bad. Depending what you like, Titanic and Dark Knight both followed a formula and they didnt do half bad.

Also, it's so funny how some people want the next Superman movie to go back to the comics and forget all about the Donnerverse behind, when the recent comics have been incorporating more Donnerverse elements into the continuity! Eh! Ironic.

I assume you're refering to the Johns/Donner run in the comics, the reason it went back to the Donnerverse is because Donner was involved. When posters are refering to Superman going back to the comics for inspiration, they are refering to comic runs like All Star Superman, Birthright, and Superman For All Seasons among others.

 

[daywalker2007]

personally, i think batman has been really lucky having writers who understand the character and respect the mythologies, such as Nolan and David Goyer, and with Goyer they already had someone with bringing a comic book character faithfully to the big screen with some style and substance.

What I don't get is WB's thinking.

They greenlight Batman Begins in 2003 or 2004 was it?
the see the success of Batman Begins and then Superman is finally given a chance.

What baffles me is which bunch of Morons sat together and decided to go with the Returns story. it really baffles me.

There they had the perfect opportunity to start afresh for Superman, having Already seen what Batman begins had done for Batman.

Surely someone with even half a brain cell should have realised that Superman should have been completely rebooted there and then alongside Batman Begins, thus allowing them to be in the same timeline and universe.

In the past, we never had that luxury, Superman came out in the late 70s, while Batman came out in 1989. So there was never a chance to see Batman and Superman movies coming out one after the other.

In 2005 WB had that chance and they blew it.

We could easily have been sat here having seen TDK and having seen a great Superman Reboot movie, eagerly awaiting the new Superman Reboot Sequel in 2009.

But NO, WB had to flush that chance down the toilet, and leave us to suffer for another 6 years probably!!!

bastards!!!

 

[stargazer]

I assume you're refering to the Johns/Donner run in the comics, the reason it went back to the Donnerverse is because Donner was involved. When posters are refering to Superman going back to the comics for inspiration, they are refering to comic runs like All Star Superman, Birthright, and Superman For All Seasons among others.

All the titles have been incorporating elements from the Donnerverse in one way or the other, which I really like. Superman, Action, Superman/Batman, even All Star, where Pa Kent dies, Lex goes to jail, among others.

 

[The Sage]

I assume you're refering to the Johns/Donner run in the comics, the reason it went back to the Donnerverse is because Donner was involved. When posters are refering to Superman going back to the comics for inspiration, they are refering to comic runs like All Star Superman, Birthright, and Superman For All Seasons among others.

As well as Action Comics 775, Peace on Earth, Lex Luthor: Man of Steel.

All the titles have been incorporating elements from the Donnerverse in one way or the other, which I really like. Superman, Action, Superman/Batman, even All Star, where Pa Kent dies, Lex goes to jail, among others.

Yeah but those aren't really Donner elements, but from other eras of Superman.

 

[daywalker2007]

it looks like noone can escape Richard Donnor!

but Mel Gibson can! apparently he has done a runner and won't do a Lethal Weapon 5!

all this "reboot" and "reintroduction" stuff is really driving people nuts here!!

can't WB just put out a damn statement!?? or something!!

its not exactly hard is it?!

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

personally, i think batman has been really lucky having writers who understand the character and respect the mythologies, such as Nolan and David Goyer, and with Goyer they already had someone with bringing a comic book character faithfully to the big screen with some style and substance.

What I don't get is WB's thinking.

They greenlight Batman Begins in 2003 or 2004 was it?
the see the success of Batman Begins and then Superman is finally given a chance.

What baffles me is which bunch of Morons sat together and decided to go with the Returns story. it really baffles me.

There they had the perfect opportunity to start afresh for Superman, having Already seen what Batman begins had done for Batman.

Surely someone with even half a brain cell should have realised that Superman should have been completely rebooted there and then alongside Batman Begins, thus allowing them to be in the same timeline and universe.

In the past, we never had that luxury, Superman came out in the late 70s, while Batman came out in 1989. So there was never a chance to see Batman and Superman movies coming out one after the other.

In 2005 WB had that chance and they blew it.

We could easily have been sat here having seen TDK and having seen a great Superman Reboot movie, eagerly awaiting the new Superman Reboot Sequel in 2009.

But NO, WB had to flush that chance down the toilet, and leave us to suffer for another 6 years probably!!!

bastards!!!

It's infuriating to me that they didn't just start from the begining in the first place. I understand your anger whole heartedly.

 

[Showtime]

All the titles have been incorporating elements from the Donnerverse in one way or the other, which I really like. Superman, Action, Superman/Batman, even All Star, where Pa Kent dies, Lex goes to jail, among others.

Well to be fair, Lex Luthor has gone to jail before and Pa Kent has died in other incarnations.

 

[daywalker2007]

its quite obvious some people at WB were blinded by nostalgia and maybe some of us too.
but they could have easily done a full reboot in 2006 AND kept the superman music, satisfying the older fans and allowing a new superman for the new generation.

instead we got the homage of all homages with Superman returns.

 

[dark_b]

its quite obvious some people at WB were blinded by nostalgia and maybe some of us too.
but they could have easily done a full reboot in 2006 AND kept the superman music, satisfying the older fans and allowing a new superman for the new generation.

instead we got the homage of all homages with Superman returns.

to me its mroe obviosu that wehn some guy of WB was on a superman forum in 2005 he saw a big S:TM obsesion.

 

[daywalker2007]

maybe the new movie will be a homage to end all homages!

 

[The Sage]

maybe the new movie will be a homage to end all homages!

Except maybe it'll homage the comics instead of past movies.

 

[I Am The Knight]

to me its mroe obviosu that wehn some guy of WB was on a superman forum in 2005 he saw a big S:TM obsesion.

Dude, are you dyslexic?