ericadawn16 said:
For cinematic purposes, it would probably be more epic to have [Loki's] redemption tied into Ragnarok though.
It would but I dont think if he does become a sort of antihero and teams with Thor in Thor 2, and comes to some understanding with his family about that, that means he's been redeemed.
Not (necessarily) in the eyes of the Midgardians.
Also, I don't think you are contradicting this, but I'd like to maintain that part of his redemption must include his taking responsibility for his actions. That leads into your next comment:
that was sort of a point in his speech to BW in Avengers, it's always with you, the horrors, and saving a man or woman no more virtuous than you will erase that or wipe that ledger clean. And that's what's interests me most about any redemption storyline, a character struggling with what they've done and not just saying, okay well I redeemed myself now and forgetting that guilt completely. it's something that must be somehow lived with, not wiped clean.
Yes, yes, yes!! I'd like to see it weigh on him. Then he's really growing up.
And I hate the idea of him having to die in Ragnarok to be "redeemed", I dont want to see that, it's incredibly cliche (for one it's already been done once by his brother in the franchise).
To be flippant for a moment (only a moment?
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, one doesn't seem to be truly Asgardian unless one perishes in a Ragnarok or two. . .
You know I'm with you on cliches. And they've done Ragnarok or its equivalent so many times in the books as to rob it of all its import. Feh.
For another I'd rather he continue on, and be in as many Thor movies as there are, and maybe a Loki movie of his own.
"The Fangirl Apocalypse"
and it could certainly make sense for him to get a hold of Thor's blood sample maybe, and make the clone of Thor as some of the "muscle" for the MOE.
That's not the role the Thor clone played in the Civil War story arc. But since I said they would have to cover a lot of ground to get set up to do Civil War, maybe it fits into the MCU better to have a Thor clone show up as muscle for the MoE's (and they still need a better team name
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I do think that blood sample is a purposely established thing that most definitely could be used in future films. So he could act like a friend, all the while planning, and work with Bruce with Thor's sample maybe for other reasons such as the healing qualities, maybe as a possible cure for them both, and then he takes the sample and does something else with it. Totally could work and be interesting on film.
If they do that, then Bruce also will have conducted himself unethically (as he should very well know), since the research would have been conducted without Thor's informed consent.
<Darcy as Hela>
Oh, Lord I hope not. For one I really really dont think that actress can pull that off. Could be wrong but I think she would be waayy too jokey/corny and not at all scary/creepy/a real threat.
I'm willing to give all actors (including Kat Dennings) the benefit of the doubt.
I do agree that Portman could pull it off (and will pull of something similar, with the malevolent spirit).
I think the fanboys just want Darcy to be that because she's got really big boobs.
Hey: boobies are a powerful force in the universe.
Also, Darcy was put in there as a "common person"/moviegoer's opinion character, partially to help keep that world grounded, which I believe they want to continue to do. They lose that if they make Darcy Hela.
I agree with this, and it's one of the main reasons I doubt they will do this. The other is that it seems too far fetched. It's funny to say for a film filled with magic and wormholes that are not unstable and species such as dark elves, but there's a part of me that feels like that it's too much of a stretch. Besides, Hela existed at least 900 years before Darcy was born.
Plus I think it's much more emotionally at stake for Thor if it's Jane actually that is taken over by Hela or Death or the Tesseract or whatever and is then a villain in A2, than if it were Darcy. he likes Darcy but it's not anywhere near the emotional impact for him. (Sorry AM, like I've said, these stories and relationships need conflict or they just get much too boring and uninteresting!
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Several responses:
1. I believe LokiDionysos is suggesting that the malevolent spirit first takes over Jane then jumps to Darcy. Since the suggestion next is that Darcy becomes Hela, this implies that the malevolent spirit is, in fact, Hela. So in that scenario, Jane *is* taken over by Hela, but throws her off (go Jane!)
2. I agree, it's more emotionally fraught for Thor for Jane to be possessed than for Darcy (or for Erik in TA, for that matter).
3. If she remains a villain in TA2, we may find that Thor's ardor may cool a bit. (Then again, he married the Enchantress. So maybe this will actually heat things up for him
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4. To turn your logic on its head, if she gets possessed early on and stays villainous (or at least malevolent), that too is static and therefore boring and uninteresting. So that implies that she can't stay that way
5. All fun thought experiments. I still think that's not what becomes of Jane in this film
I can see one [villainous] character reaching out to various villains imprisoned or on the loose in various places and bringing them together based on their in common hatred of various members of the Avengers, and becoming the leader that way.
People described the first half of the plot of "The Avengers" as "getting the band together". SO it would seem a lot of TA2 is also "getting the band together", it's just the other band they are talking about.
Though I can't imagine Tom losing his enthusiasm about it so much. 
