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I'm not sure you really want me to have in on that.![]()
If you're constructive and specific in your criticism, then actually, yes, you'd be very important to that discussion. It might be harder for all the Jane fans (I'm sure we are plural!) to look at her critically. So we're at risk of sounding like an echo chamber.
well it's a little different from BW. She was trying to sweet talk and manipulate him, and acting like she was above him when he knew perfectly well she'd done some horrible things... so that kinda pissed him off I think.
Aha.
Jane would be different, as anything she'd say would be much more sincere, and she's never set a hospital on fire, or been hired to kill people, so there's that one good thing about her.t: We don't know what exactly his attitude will be after Frigga dies either. He may be really hurting and much more open to talking civilly to another caring female than you might think at that point.
If you think. I certainly would be glad for Jane to make a positive contribution somehow. I'm just trying to be wary of pushing her into Mary Sue territory.
What I had been thinking of is this: to reach out to someone is to extend oneself, to some extent, to be vulnerable. I was supposing Loki might see this vulnerability as a golden opportunity to really hurt his brother. He had succeeded in getting to Natasha, so I would suppose he would be successful in getting to Jane.
On the other hand, Loki might appreciate the candor: "I actually hate you. But Thor loves you, and for his sake I am making this effort."
Or maybe she could break the ice by talking about how she ran his brother over with the car. Maybe that would cause him to decide that she's all right

(And let us be glad that Jane has not tried to set a hospital on fire, deliberately or inadvertently


unfortunately, if they cut any scenes showing her worth in that capacity, then it IS boring and a negative. So I don't want to see her there perpetuating that.
Agreed. But there's only so much room in any story.
And why it's a classic "jump the shark" moment in TV shows.one BIG problem is a happy marriage on screen is very often boring and extremely difficult to keep interesting. That's why the fairy tales always end with "and they lived happily ever after", and why when soap opera couples get together finally, they are only happy for about 5 minutes before something terrible happens,
storywise it is boring unless they then kidnap her or cause some other danger to her to keep their relationship interesting and keep Jane in the story that way (which I know you don't like the idea of her being the damsel in distress).
True, which is one reason why I'm keeping this thought on the back burner. (Although again I note that Pepper basically was parked off-camera in The Avengers when the story started to develop. It's boring, but at least on-going.)
At least with Sif she can go on adventures with him, and fight beside him, and hopefully not be put into the "damsel in distress" situation much if ever, (and she could certainly get herself out of jams without necessarily needing Thor to come save her)
Well, the writers could put her in over her head too if that's what they want to do.
Now Frigga does have worth in that story and to that family, especially if they want us to believe that Thor and Loki will in Thor 2 decide to put their feelings aside and work together due to her death. But they cut her scenes with them showing their relationship in Thor 1, for whatever reason, so I hope to hell they make up for that in Thor 2 prior to her death because otherwise her death will not have appropriate impact on the story, and it will not really feel "real" that her sons react the way they do. (especially Loki)
I agree!