The Dark Knight Post Pictures of things that you dont want to see in 'The Dark Knight'

[StorminNorman]

4) No revolving door arkham assylum to let crooks go for next film by tiptoing past a sleeping guard that had his keys in reach... corniest stuff EVER. Villains should die in these films. It keeps creativity flowing in this case.

Man that is stupid .

Arkham Asylum has ALWAYS been a revolving door in the comics and should be so in the movies - however it can be done with out corny scenes like the one you described, it can be used to show the incompetence of the Gotham prison system, the delusion of Gotham psycologist, etc.

If major villians die (Joker, Two Face, Scarecrow, even Black Mask) I will be upset because its stupid.

 

[Katsuro]

I believe Goyer and Nolan have mentioned their distaste of killing off major villains. I remember reading one of them saying Burton made a big mistake by killing off the Joker.

Also, wasn't it reveleaded that Edward Nygma actually changed his name or something, and that his birth name was Ed Nashton. Cuz I have always been annoyed by villains with names like their alter egos. A guy named Victor Fries (pronounced Freeze) gets frozen and becomes... Mr. Freeze?

 

[batmaluco]

lol

 

[Nebins]

I don't want to see Robin.

 

[XCharlieX]

I believe Goyer and Nolan have mentioned their distaste of killing off major villains. I remember reading one of them saying Burton made a big mistake by killing off the Joker.

Well how do they suggest not making a constant return come off corny. Thats what id like to know. In nolan i trust If Al Ghul comes back Nolan is an idiot sorry.

thats pretty unavoidable, the riddlers name is edward nygma as is victor fries, to change the charicters names for the sake of it just isant going to work, and will annoy more fans than please.

well then the fans are weird folks arent they? lol

Man that is stupid .

Arkham Asylum has ALWAYS been a revolving door in the comics and should be so in the movies - however it can be done with out corny scenes like the one you described, it can be used to show the incompetence of the Gotham prison system, the delusion of Gotham psycologist, etc.

If major villians die (Joker, Two Face, Scarecrow, even Black Mask) I will be upset because its stupid.

Revolving door is stupid. Its a damn prison. How many folks actually escape before you dismiss it as bull? Sure we can use the strong points of the film and try to use it to justify such nonsense but thats a disservice to the franchise and a perversion even. Sorry.

You keep this up and well be back to schumacher town in no time. Gawd. :

Once again you will not like me. I dont pander to comic stuff... some of it is the silliest stuff ive ever seen.

All i know is if they do all of that tense ending of Begins just to pander to a comic book cliche in a future sequel, thatll be a sad day. THAT is called bad film making. BADDDD, and would puke all over Batman Begins.

"I thought you were dead!"

"I was!"

 

[StorminNorman]

Revolving door is stupid. Its a damn prison. How many folks actually escape before you dismiss it as bull? Sure we can use the strong points of the film and try to use it to justify such nonsense but thats a disservice to the franchise and a perversion even. Sorry.

You keep this up and well be back to schumacher town in no time. Gawd. :

Once again you will not like me. I dont pander to comic stuff... some of it is the silliest stuff ive ever seen.

All i know is if they do all of that tense ending of Begins just to pander to a comic book cliche in a future sequel, thatll be a sad day. THAT is called bad film making. BADDDD, and would puke all over Batman Begins.

Only a few major villians need to return, the Joker and Two-Face - lock the others in prison. The Joker can break out in many a way, Harley Quinn would be one, finding a shrink that proclaims him as "cured" is another. Two-Face can leave after having his face repaired, only to return as Two-Face after he himself reinjures his face.

The villians find ways to get out of Arkham in the comics, it is very rarely corny.

 

[XCharlieX]

The villians find ways to get out of Arkham in the comics, it is very rarely corny.

Well lets just say comic fans have different standards.

Break out once and it better be good = perhaps ok.

Break out twice = walk out of theater

I found it brilliant how Arkhams floodgates were opened in Begins. How many times will that happen before i lose faith in Nolan?

 

[XCharlieX]

This is much like how comic fans diss x3 because people died in it. Grow up people. Thanks to this type of comicky fanbase theres a TV show called "Heroes" claiming their more realistic and interesting. Currently, they really have no grounds how Singer and Ratner did it, but if they listened to the comics completely id be right with them lol

 

[Katsuro]

This is much like how comic fans diss x3 because people died in it. Grow up people. Thanks to this type of comicky fanbase theres a TV show called "Heroes" claiming their more realistic and interesting. Currently, they really have no grounds how Singer and Ratner did it, but if they listened to the comics completely id be right with them lol

People complain about Cyclops's death in x3 because it was poorly done. The guy dies in the first 10 minutes, then no one mentions it for the rest of the movie. They have a memorial service for Xavier, who dies the same day they find out Cyclops is dead, and they dont mention the guy once. If Cyclops had died a good, heroic death, i'd have been fine with it, but he went out like a chump and no one cared. THAT's bad filmmaking.

As for people escaping Arkham, it just needs to be done in a believably way. Harley should help Joker escape. Two-Face could be supposedly cured, only to scar himself again (although i think it'd be even more interesting if he actually stayed cured). And of course, if they ever do a Bane movie he HAS to let all the major criminals out of Arkham. Can you imagine if they spent 3-4 movies buiding up various villains, locking them in Arkham, and then in one film have all of them break out, and have Batman taking on every villain that's been put in Arkham so far. Maybe throw a couple more Zsasz like cameos in there.

 

[heypapajinx]

WHAT!?! Cyclops dies!?
haaahaha!
joking.

Can you imagine if they spent 3-4 movies buiding up various villains, locking them in Arkham, and then in one film have all of them break out, and have Batman taking on every villain that's been put in Arkham so far. Maybe throw a couple more Zsasz like cameos in there.

i think that would be totally awesome!
mayhem and maddness in Gotham.
"oh they'll be a hot time in the old town tonight"

 

[XCharlieX]

People complain about Cyclops's death in x3 because it was poorly done. The guy dies in the first 10 minutes, then no one mentions it for the rest of the movie. They have a memorial service for Xavier, who dies the same day they find out Cyclops is dead, and they dont mention the guy once.

Granted Ratner was dumb for not at least giving him much more time before he went to the Lake, but if they did it well the majority would be complaining all the same. Theres a large fanbase over at the x-men forums that is just against people dying period.

Can you imagine if they spent 3-4 movies buiding up various villains, locking them in Arkham, and then in one film have all of them break out, and have Batman taking on every villain that's been put in Arkham so far. Maybe throw a couple more Zsasz like cameos in there.

Oh yeah so theyll just undo all of the films that preceded it. You weaken the stories that way. You got it done once and that was to introduce NEW villains. The franchise need not eat its tail in this way. Batman should just sit on a couch if he knows they will always escape. Ugh. Its just bad. Surely a film of Nolans quality wont resort to such reckless rambling and repetition.

 

[CapBeerCino]

I don't want to see the Joker die (just yet).

 

[Cinemaman]

I don't want to see the Joker die (just yet).

Dont think so.

He will live for 3rd movie, where he will be scarring Dent on trial

So I think there is even bigger part for him in 3rd movie. He can probably control the game between Batman and 2Face.

 

[XCharlieX]

If he survives then Batman should have not captured him in the first place. He could have a great escape once or so. That will work much better and doesnt strain anything with undue cartoonishness. Eventually he SHOULD be either killed or caught to never return imo. Otherwise its hack work imo.

 

[Red]

Dont think so.

He will live for 3rd movie, where he will be scarring Dent on trial

So I think there is even bigger part for him in 3rd movie. He can probably control the game between Batman and 2Face.

I only wish we knew that was gonna happen.

 

[Cinemaman]

I only wish we knew that was gonna happen.

Well, if Goyer said so, it will be so.

 

[Eros]

If he survives then Batman should have not captured him in the first place. He could have a great escape once or so. That will work much better and doesnt strain anything with undue cartoonishness. Eventually he SHOULD be either killed or caught to never return imo. Otherwise its hack work imo.

are you even a Batman fan though dude? I get the feeling that you think your better then the guys that read the comics, to "cartoony" for you. Batmans a guy in a bat-suit, if you except that learn to except alot of other odd things. But, just becasue you have seen a couple of batman movies dun make you fan of the character. [no offense].

 

[XCharlieX]

are you even a Batman fan though dude? I get the feeling that you think your better then the guys that read the comics, to "cartoony" for you. Batmans a guy in a bat-suit, if you except that learn to except alot of other odd things. But, just becasue you have seen a couple of batman movies dun make you fan of the character. [no offense].

Just because you read the comics doesnt make you better than me. I am a fan and yes i prefer things filtered from the comics through film. That makes me no less of a fan than you, just of a different medium with different standards usually.

Yes comics are often cheesy but on a flat page its more acceptable. Thats how I see it, its completely true imo and I prefer film. How could I NOT see this fact? tell me that. Its blatantly obvious.

If you can think this cheesy stuff is so amazing and diss films that are great for it, i can have my POV with a more accurate view from an outsider imo.

 

[Eros]

Just because you read the comics doesnt make you better than me. I am a fan and yes i prefer things filtered from the comics through film. That makes me no less of a fan than you, just of a different medium with different standards usually.

Yes comics are often cheesy but on a flat page its more acceptable. Thats how I see it, its completely true imo and I prefer film. How could I NOT see this fact? tell me that. Its blatantly obvious.

If you can think this cheesy stuff is so amazing and diss films that are great for it, i can have my POV with a more accurate view from an outsider imo.

Never sad i was better then you, and never acted a such. You sorta of act like your better then anyone that reads batman comics,or comics in general. Yet you like comic book movies though? I dun think you know what your talking about man, you seem to not get the fact that comic book movies contain comic book characters,plots,themes, and chliches.

Not all comic books are "cheesy" buy the way. Alot of Batman stories are amazing like The Long Halloween,Batman:Year one, Dark Knight Returns,Killing Joke,Arkum asylum, and many many more. I simply mean, if you dun like Batman comics, then thats fine, but if you have not read some of the batman stories then your missing alot on the Batman character. Especially considering Batman Begins was based on alot of those Batman stories i named from the 80s.

 

[XCharlieX]

Never sad i was better then you, and never acted a such.

Seems a lot of folks on here do by their actions. If you can state your pov and have little respect for film sensibilities, I can point it out. Fair is fair right? Or is it?

you seem to not get the fact that comic book movies contain comic book characters,plots,themes, and chliches.

Thats old thinking if you want to bring the audience something new. You wont get anywhere with a defeatist pov. Thats why some films get praised and others get slammed by critics.

You seem to have gotten used to B grade so much that you feel you should be proud of it, well I feel you must always progress and find new ways to improve. Thats what FILM is about, and reguardless of inspiration, it applies.

 

[Sharkboy]

Well lets just say comic fans have different standards.

Break out once and it better be good = perhaps ok.

Break out twice = walk out of theater

I found it brilliant how Arkhams floodgates were opened in Begins. How many times will that happen before i lose faith in Nolan?

wait a tick! you would walk out of the theater simply because the criminals escaped from arkham, because its corny and unrealistic that a prison breakout would happen. hmmm is THAT the reason? even if the rest of the movie was absolutley class, that single thing would P*ss you off so bad?

hmmm ok lol

 

[heypapajinx]

Well lets just say comic fans have different standards.

Break out once and it better be good = perhaps ok.

Break out twice = walk out of theater

I found it brilliant how Arkhams floodgates were opened in Begins. How many times will that happen before i lose faith in Nolan?

WHAT!!!?!
it's not Nolan who created the "revolving door" system at Arkham!
it's the originators of the comic books who not only created it but perpetuated it throughout the years. and hey! it works for the readers.
he's just trying to stay true to the origins of the character whis is, by the way BASED ON A COMIC BOOK!!
fantastical things will happen! that's like saying "i can believe a man jumping from roof top to roof top and fighting crime and never once being nabbed by the police... but a prison break!!? unfathomable".

 

[XCharlieX]

There are folks who are wise to the movies where the guy comes back a million times. Many will indeed walk out if they see such nonsense. And I dont blame them. IMO one must not become tolerant of cliches. You learn new ways of doing things. When this is done is where i feel the most comfortable.

WHAT!!!?!
it's not Nolan who created the "revolving door" system at Arkham!
it's the originators of the comic books who not only created it but perpetuated it throughout the years. and hey! it works for the readers.
he's just trying to stay true to the origins of the character whis is, by the way BASED ON A COMIC BOOK!!
fantastical things will happen! that's like saying "i can believe a man jumping from roof top to roof top and fighting crime and never once being nabbed by the police... but a prison break!!? unfathomable".

And a prison break can occur. But comics apparently insist you forget that the prison break just occured.. 20 times before. I find that insulting. If were not going to hold our film together and make it blatantly obvious that were using old tactics, its no better than George Lucas who doesnt even bother to hide anything that hes recycled from old corny serials. Bad acting and all, and he makes a fortune. Its just lame.

In fact im wondering why Lucas has the huge company and Cameron doesnt. That is sooo wrong lol

 

[heypapajinx]

How realistic is Two-Face? He is a man with a half-scarred face that flips coins to make decisions.

soooo... you're telling me that people will accept this ^^ but feel duped when a Super Criminal breaks out of a prison TWICE in a fantasy city?
insulted enough to walk out of a movie they just paid $10 for?

 

[XCharlieX]

Yes.

Two face would work. I vouch for that.

And the idea of Nolans Gotham is that its basically alternate NYC. Not more fictional.