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[Donald Thomas]

Well, it IS possible. I just don't see it happening.

Whether or not they reboot the reboot soon, whichi think they will....(at some point here for sure)....

Whether or not they do fix this, i have a hard time seeing them keep up this pace for too long without relaunching new #1 titles and going back monthly.

Spider-man so far is "villian of the month" so far...maybe they'll change that at some point? I dunno. That's what they've shown us so far with these "arcs". So far, it is nothing like 52 at all, tho not like it was meant to be either.

Aloha,
In the past, Spidey was a vigilante that some liked and some feared. As a result of Civil War and the Super Hero Registration Act, Spidey is officially an Outlaw along with all of the New Avengers.
Spidey rules

 

[Themanofbat]

Aloha,
In the past, Spidey was a vigilante that some liked and some feared. As a result of Civil War and the Super Hero Registration Act, Spidey is officially an Outlaw along with all of the New Avengers.
Spidey rules

It's a return to greatness...

 

[farmernudie]

See, my other problem with all this is that we all know, that a deal with the devil (evil) always leads to something really BAD. It starts backfiring right away, coming a part at the seams.

However, Joe used it here cheaply as a way to reboot the spidey world. It is not MEANT to be a bad ending here....it was a way to achieve this agenda/direction that Joe saw (and talked about for years) as the "proper" one...."single hip 70's Pete".

However, none of us are dumb enough to not see that WHEN he HAS to reboot his reboot, restore continuity, etc....he'll go back to the cliche of the "deal with the devil" and then finally have it go "bad" because he'll have no choice....although he has been clear in interviews that it is NOT his INTENT right now....but he will have that easy way out down the road. So, it cheapens this whole thing tremendously...because it is a lazy and cliche reboot, that wasn't needed, and wasn't cleverly written.

The story is meant to be, and the lesson here is that everything will work out fine to make deals with the devil.
It is also ok to sacrifice your marriage to the devil to make an elderly aunt live longer. (Not to mention that the devil here is made lame for making such a lame deal.)

Even more, their will be no reprecussions per say, until there has to be in order to restore the spidey-world. For now, it is all "good" because we're within the scopes of Joe's agenda and vision. Until it bottoms out. Until the customers are NOT always wrong. And until he restores the marriage to only secretly plot his next two year attempt to plummet the spidey world into another single hip reboot.

 

[spider greg]

It's a return to greatness...

Yesiree.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

I'm going to keep it simple...
Single Peter Parker= GOOD
Watson-Parker Marriage= BETTER
UNMARRIAGE BY THE DEVIL= REALLY BAD... UWE BOLL ADAPTING YOUR FAVORITE FICTIONAL CHARACTER INTO A MOVIE BAD.

 

[shinlyle]

I'm going to keep it simple...
Single Peter Parker= GOOD
Watson-Parker Marriage= BETTER
UNMARRIAGE BY THE DEVIL= REALLY BAD... UWE BOLL ADAPTING YOUR FAVORITE FICTIONAL CHARACTER INTO A MOVIE BAD.

You speaketh the truth.

 

[SPIDER-ADDA]

I HATE the reboot!!!
It's just a temporary fix, it will get old very quickly.

 

[nobndfan]

I'm *far* from being a teenager, but I loved the marriage, too.

Yeah, I mean, I've been reading the comics for about 8 years or so and I always knew there used to be an unmarried Peter and a married Peter. I read reprints of classic comics and did I think to myself "Why the heck would they make him married when people related to him when he was single?" No, I defenitley did not. A married Peter was always so cool, IMHO. I felt as though it made for new stories and Peter had someone to come home to.

When Peter was single, He had amazing stories as well. He had so many troubles such as money troubles, girl troubles, and basically living a double life and making time to go see his Aunt May. I mean, take ASM Issue #50 for example, he was thinking "Aunt May is sick and I wasn't there because of being Spdier-Man" or something like that. That is something that makes Spider-Man stories so fun to read.

The marriage had stories where MJ was worried about Peter such as when he fought Venom on that deserted island. I feel as though that's something that makes us feel bad for MJ and worried for Peter. Peter found MJ crying when he got to his apartment in ASM Issue #300 because of Venom. My point is that Peter still has to watch out for his wife and make sure she is still fine and not in danger at all. Those are the types of things that makes Peter have and endless amount of responsibility. He still has alot of the weight of the world on his shoulders, but he is happier that he's married.

JQ should have realised this from the very beginning. A married Peter Parker is still very interesting.

Take Gwen for example, she died because they didn't know what to do with her relationship with Peter. They thought that a married Peter Parker wouldn't do good, so they killed. I think Gwen's death was very important and is defenitley monumental. It's just an amazing story and it just made sense. MJ, however, is a bit different. Her and Peter were married for 20 years and to quote Stan Lee (he used this expression on a topic about the drug Spider-Man Issue), the sky didn't fall when this happened. People loved it and even though I'm a teenager and I can relate more to the original character, as I said in my last post, we can all still relate to a married peter Parker who still has a ton of responsibilities.

That's my in depth thoughts on the marriage.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

When I started reading I was 11 and he was married and I had no problem relating to him. I liked the marriage, although it got to soppy at times, the first issue of revalations is one. But I'm glad to see him single again just because it's new to me. Reprints aren't the same because you know ahead of time where thet're going. And when they are married again; because you now they will be I'll be happy again to see something that is fresh again.

A lot of people I think are looking at this the wrong people; just because the marriage works doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed. A single Spidey worked but they still changed him to a married Spidey. It's just the way comics go.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

It's not really that they changed the marriage it's HOW it was changed.

 

[USMC]

I HATE the reboot!!!
It's just a temporary fix, it will get old very quickly.

"will" ?

 

[SPIDER-ADDA]

I was trying to use kind words.

 

[Wobblebobble]

It's not really that they changed the marriage it's HOW it was changed.

This is basically how I feel too. I know I am out-numbered here and I'm not trying to start an argument, but I for one didn't really care for the marriage. I agree with Erik Larsen, I felt it did limit story potential. We can't seriously expect spider-man/peter to continuously evolve and progress as a character over a potentially infinite period. I don't mean he can't emotionally develop, learning from his past experiences etc. but as the character isn't real and as such doesn't have a finite life-span, we can't keep pushing him towards major points we expect in our lives. First we'll demand marriage, then children, then what? Imagine what spidey'd be like in 50 years if we kept it up at this pace. This is the problem with the whole "5 years=1 comic year" idea, it might take 5 times as long, but eventually spidey would have to grow old and die.

That said, I disagree with Ditko wanting to keep him in high school, although I sympathise with the reasons. I say that once spidey reaches a point in his life where the maximum potential for new experiences and adventures, we should leave him there in a state of eternal physical (but NOT emotional) youth. Where this point is is up to debate, some of you believe that the marriage was this point, and I respect that, but personally I believe that this point was just after Peter left college, which is where BND seems to have sent him.

However I agree whole-heartedly with everyone condemning of the way this change was brought about. Not necessarily on moral grounds, although that is an interesting argument, but mainly on the sheer laziness of the idea. I mean, " a deal with the devil"? That is just infantile, and I expect much more from people who are basically published authors. The same goes for magically changing history. It is all equivalent to the whole "it was all a dream" schtick we have grown to hate.

Come on Marvel, if you are determined to break up the marriage, at least do it well!

 

[Mutagen]

Peter and MJ are classic love story that makes me feel good every time I read into it. It will take a lot to take the book down, and I feel that because of that, Spider-man should have some good and happiness in his life before his last tale, which will be a long, long time away.

I feel bad when Spider-man risks his life everyday, and to come home to a lonely life, Aunt May is cool and all, by Spidey needs more as a reward.

Regardless about how I think, it seems like MJ might be happier with a normal husband and life, and not having to go bald and get alsers by worrying about Spider-man 24/7. So maybe, if Peter really loved her more than he wanted her, he'd let her go.

 

[Styleshift]

(bet some people was wondering why I haven't posted here yet. lol)

My Opinion on the marriage...is that it fell under the same problem that venom did.
Overexposure.
They didn't have a problem with it at first...but it became a burden because since she was living with Spidey they felt she needed to be in EVERY story with her own little subplots even if miinor and pointless. making her character interesting posed difficult because she was a human who happened to be married to a super hero. (which i believe
that fact alone made her very unique.)

i'm sure their ideas were exhausted. i think that's why they complained about the marriage. if you've read the novel the darkest hours or marvel knights spidey. those were both REALLY awesome takes on the marriage.

I actually liked the marriage, it's the spidey i grew into an adult with. but if they have given it a proper send off. than it wouldn't have bothered me as much.

Now having said that...I like Joey Q. I have no problems with him and I think he's great.

BUT, his removal of the marriage was pretty lame. 20 years of Spidey marriage and about 3 times of being forced back into continuity means it had fans. saying it all never happened was a cheesy way to dump it.
and even cheesier was the excuse they gave to dump it.

after sins past destorying gwen's memory and the other destorying spidey's origin.
it's not really hard to wonder why some people are pissed. i mean these stories FOLLOWED each other one by one.

now things really worry about where the series is headed.
Spidey has no one. and he's wanted for murder. no one appreciates him. what the heck is his motivation?

and why put pete and mj back together unmarried?
oh so we can have a relatable loop of a guy that keeps breaking up with his girl and getting back together. real fun.

i think omd was a BIG mistake. its getting some buzz now...but there is going to be another big change soon...whether they remarry him or not.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

If certain writers couldn't balance the hero with the identity, then those writers shouldn't've been on the book in the first place an' those with the ability let on.

'Nuff said.

 

[Styleshift]

If certain writers couldn't balance the hero with the identity, then those writers shouldn't've been on the book in the first place an' those with the ability let on.

'Nuff said.

Amen! t:

J.M Demattis had no problems writing stories with the marriage in tact.
and he wrote some REALLY good stories.

I remember there being an arc where the chameleon kidnaps Spidey and tries to convince him he's a book writer gone mad.

but peter remembers who he is by looking at the pictures of the mans family (and thus reminds him of his own family. including the picture of him and Mj being married. which couldn't have happened in this Brand new day)

 

[Arach Knight]

I like Mary Jane as a supporting cast member and even as a love interest of Peter Parker. But as far as the marriage is concerned, I find it to largely be unnecessary. Its presence adds so little to Spider-Man's dynamic, while its absence detracts so littoe to Spider-Man's dynamic. Could most of the stories they tell about Spider-Man, work even if he were married? Sure. Can all of them? Probably not. But the range of stories is only a minor aspect. The overall characterization is what is at the heart of the matter. It is easier to write the social life of a young twenty something super hero who has more experince than most of the 616.

On the other hand, as a married man, certain things would be logical on that path, such as settling down. If Mary Jane kept up her party girl life style and Peter kept up his bachelor life style (haphazard day job and sloppy apartment) neither character would seem truly in love. At the same time, by marrying them you lose an established characterization that must subside in the face of logical expectation. The argument isn't "what can they tell about a single spidey, that they can't tell about a married spidey." The question is "what benefit does a married Spidey provide to the character or the stories being told." The marriage was nice but superflous.

 

[Styleshift]

I like Mary Jane as a supporting cast member and even as a love interest of Peter Parker. But as far as the marriage is concerned, I find it to largely be unnecessary. Its presence adds so little to Spider-Man's dynamic, while its absence detracts so littoe to Spider-Man's dynamic. Could most of the stories they tell about Spider-Man, work even if he were married? Sure. Can all of them? Probably not. But the range of stories is only a minor aspect. The overall characterization is what is at the heart of the matter. It is easier to write the social life of a young twenty something super hero who has more experince than most of the 616.

On the other hand, as a married man, certain things would be logical on that path, such as settling down. If Mary Jane kept up her party girl life style and Peter kept up his bachelor life style (haphazard day job and sloppy apartment) neither character would seem truly in love. At the same time, by marrying them you lose an established characterization that must subside in the face of logical expectation. The argument isn't "what can they tell about a single spidey, that they can't tell about a married spidey." The question is "what benefit does a married Spidey provide to the character or the stories being told." The marriage was nice but superflous.

The stories that could have been told have already been told. we've seen his relationships dissolve as peter...we've seen them dissolve as spider-man.
we've seen him date a crook and reform her into a hero. (black cat.)
we've seen him date someone at his work place (betty)

and when it didn't escalate to a relationship we've seen him have a cop that was a love interest.

we're looking for spidey stories...not soap opera. they want a single spidey so they can stick to a recycled formula. just like the hulk never stays gray or (red) you can now say Spidey always goes back to being single.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I like Mary Jane as a supporting cast member and even as a love interest of Peter Parker. But as far as the marriage is concerned, I find it to largely be unnecessary. Its presence adds so little to Spider-Man's dynamic, while its absence detracts so littoe to Spider-Man's dynamic.

It really does add things to Peters' life though. It adds more responsibility on his shoulders and it adds someone for Peter to come home to and talk to when he's down. For example, if MJ was in trouble and a little boy was in trouble, he has a choice to make or he can try to save them both. So, IMO, she really is indeed a very important character.

 

[Arach Knight]

Peter would have that conflict no matter what two people were involved. And yes she can be a shoulder to cry on...but that gets old and can't develop. AS for the responsibility, that is what weighed him down. He required a standard 9-5 that he couldn't possibly attend to, thanks to his role as Spider-Man. Super heroes either need a job that has minimal supervision or a high degree of personal wealth. Peter had the first one when he worked the Bugle. He has never had the second one. Being married to somebody not wealthy or not a super hero, just drags characters down some what. He can't be both responsible as a productive adult and a super hero. That was what made Spidey work better when he didn't have to take care of somebody else outside of contributing to Aunt May's retirement funds.

 

[Styleshift]

Peter would have that conflict no matter what two people were involved. And yes she can be a shoulder to cry on...but that gets old and can't develop. AS for the responsibility, that is what weighed him down. He required a standard 9-5 that he couldn't possibly attend to, thanks to his role as Spider-Man. Super heroes either need a job that has minimal supervision or a high degree of personal wealth. Peter had the first one when he worked the Bugle. He has never had the second one. Being married to somebody not wealthy or not a super hero, just drags characters down some what. He can't be both responsible as a productive adult and a super hero. That was what made Spidey work better when he didn't have to take care of somebody else outside of contributing to Aunt May's retirement funds.

.....which is why she had her own life...and occupation...

Mj being married to Spidey wasn't the problem. sure you can say it took this out..but you can always added that it added more depth to the character.

we can argue all day but the fact at hand is its all in the writers power whether the marriage works or not. 90 percent of BND (thus far) could have worked with the marriage in tact.

The writers lied. its not just that, I mean...these guys don't even acknowledge that making peter a teacher is what ultimately destroyed his supporting cast. he wasn't even living with mj than...

at the end of the day its all up to the writers...NOT the marriage.

 

[Arach Knight]

Actually the exact reasons I gave, were problems that stemmed from the marriage. He couldn't maintain both of them on his paycheck with the Bugle. It paid well for bachelor living, but not for a man trying to support a wife on a regular basis. Mary Jane does have her own life, but that isn't necessarily a highly interesting and dynamic life. Sure we could watch her do acting roles and model shoots...but we've already seen Peter help her study for roles and get jealous of people she was interacting with. She can have own misadventures, but the point is, they do not require her to be married to Peter.

Nothing shared between Mary Jane and Peter, requires them to be married. Ultimate Spider-Man is proof of that. They have the same interaction (he confides in her, she knows his secret ID) but they are not married. Being responsible for Mary Jane affects quite a bit of Peter's life. Being a teacher was fun, but it doesn't work out in the end. He was a danger to his children after the super hero registration act, and even before then, he could not be seriously devoted to the job, while being Spider-Man. He was tardy or absent quite often.

And if he stopped being Spider-Man so that he could hold the job, then I don't think we would all be reading this book. We could just as soon read Strangers in Paradise if we wanted a really good story about people doing day jobs and being in love (okay that seriously downplays the genius of Strangers in Paradise, but hyperbole aside, the point is the same). Now I can't speak for all of those who don't care about the marriage or are in favor of Brand New Day, but I can say for myself, that Peter having a relationship with Mary Jane, is seperate from the idea of Peter being married. It could be any woman and I would find it equally as displeasing and hampering. It's married life, not Mary Jane, that was the problem.

 

[Hobgoblin]

An interesting article I found on AOL today. So much for Quesada's opinion that the marriage is unbelievable because a nerd like Peter couldnt land a hot babe like Mary Jane.

When beautiful women marry plain (or even ugly) men, something magical happens: They're both happier. Why? Men place much value on beauty, while women want a husband who is supportive and positive.

And the opposite is also true. Men who believe they are better looking than their wives tend to be more disgruntled and have more negative feelings about their marriage.

It's long been known that early in a relationship, two people who are equally gorgeous tend to be attracted to each other. But what about couples who have been together longer and have long passed the very earliest stages of a relationship? Led by Jim McNulty from the University of Tennessee, the researchers found the role of physical beauty for well-established couples is more of a mystery. Basically, looks do matter--but in a totally different way.

The Pulse: How Important Is Sex?


The study: The Tennessee team examined 82 newlywed couples for facial attractiveness and the quality of their marriage. Each of the couples had gotten married during the previous six months, but had been together for nearly three years before their wedding. The wife was more attractive in about a third of the couples, the husband more attractive in another third, and the rest of the couples were equal in their attractiveness.


The results: While men who married pretty women are content to bask in the glory of their partner's beauty, men who are more attractive than their wives are more likely to offer less emotional and practical support to their partner, reports London's Daily Mail.

Why? Study leader Jim McNulty points to evolutionary perspectives. "Attractive men have available to them more short-term mating opportunities," he told the Daily Mail. "This may make them less satisfied and less committed to the marital relationship." For some men, a beautiful wife is all about prestige. "Men are rated as more likeable and friendly when they have a wife who is very attractive," Strathclyde University psychologist Alastair Ross told the Mail.

Bottom line: What may appear as a mismatch to the human eye is really a match made in heaven.

The study findings were published in the Journal of Family Psychology.

 

[Arach Knight]

That is unrelated to Peter Parker. Peter Parker was never ugly. He has always had a pretty boy face. He was just always some what of a nerd and a dork. But never ugly. The idea that he would not likely hook up with Mary Jane, is because they have highly divergent interests. Peter, even as a college student, was more of a home body and science nerd. Mary Jane was pretty much always the party girl. MJ can see the nice qualities in Peter, but generally speaking, they had slim to nill in common and even less compatibility. At least Gwen Stacy was the docile type.

MJ was alwasy red hot fire. That in no way compares to studies about ugly men marrying beautiful women (or at least women of greater attraction than the husband). MJ's life style (at least before she was rewritten into a mostly boring house wife and struggling actress) is what made it seem unrealistic that she would marry Peter. Not her looks. Gwen Stacy and Betty Brant are pretty much "hot girls" and they both got with Peter at one point or another.