Potency of a Cure

[chaseter]

I know there has been a thousand threads over the cure but this one is different. I never make threads but I think this thought deserves a thread. It kind of belongs in the sequels forum and here. Do as you wish MODs.

We know the cure isn't permanent, allbeit Magneto for all we know. We also know Magneto's machine had an effect on Jean Grey and the mental blocks holding back her alter ego the Phoenix. What if Magneto's mutant machine did something to all of their DNA and the X gene, what if it made it stronger, more resistable to the cure? Magneto, Mystique, Sabretooth, Toad, Storm, Jean Grey, Cylcops, Wolverine, and Rogue were all exposed to the machine and as we saw in each subsequent movie, their powers increased...especially Logan's and Magneto's. Rogue, Mystique, and Magneto were unfortunately 'cured' but the effects wore off at the end of X3 for Magneto.

If an X4 happened or Ratner tried to offer us an explanation for such things on the highly coveted director's cut dvd...I think this would be the way to go. Could this mean Rogue and Mystique could be back?

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

Hmm... jean's power will be even more powerful... that would be a problem, and as to rogue myst, then may become lv 4 muties

 

[flavio_lebeau]

although it would really make sense, i dont think they will choose this answer for one reason: these movies are made for general audience, and most of them, if not all of them, dont remember what happened in a movie that was released 6 years ago. It would be really hard to tie, most would get confused. Those who watched X1 dont remember what happened and there are lots of people who didnt watch the first movies. Heck, my brother and his girlfriend only watched X3.

So, in these movies, the plot points and answers have to be more immediate and simple, so that everyone understands the movie without watching the previous ones.

Thats why the Phoenix wasnt linked to the machine, and why the outcomes of Dark Cerebro weren't touched on X3...the movies must also work as a sequel, but in first place, work as a stand alone piece.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

flash back?

 

[flavio_lebeau]

flash back?

it would take at least 5 minutes to explain what the hell was that machine and blah blah blah. Come on, you know Fox: 5 minutes in a flask back? pffff it would be deleted because Wolverine wasnt involved.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

no... but i think i'll use this on my X4...

Starting voice over...

With blue genetics slowly growing smaller as he finish talking... the camera goes through the skin layer, out comes ... rogue mystique or magneto.

Slowly, the cells inside multiply... untli they reach a limit

 

[spark627]

this would work in the comics but not in the movies, i could see reviewers ripping this apart.

it would cheapen x3 also, all the drama created for nothing? we know fox would never do that bc it would look like they knew the messed up

 

[flavio_lebeau]

i think the only character who should be "uncured" is Rogue. I have a pretty simple explanation for her, the nature of her powers allow a simple way for her to get back. Just like Wolvrine could "heal" the cure, she could have taken it as simply absorbing Leech's power temporiarily.

This way, it doesnt cheapen X3, since all the others would still be cured. I'd drop Mags and Mystique. As much as i love them, they had their time. Mystique was wasted in X3, and i would love to see her back, but i dont think she should come back, at the same time.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

i think it shud uncure all mutants effected by the machine... but slowly gradually, loesing control, balance... about todie... when apoc comes in and invite them to horseman...Rogue can then get the super human powers... can imagine the fight between bobby and rogue

 

[Decay]

Hmm... jean's power will be even more powerful... that would be a problem, and as to rogue myst, then may become lv 4 muties

It's actually hard to believe that Jean can be even more powerful. I don't know how her can powers can develop even more...she's not God you know..

 

[spark627]

well she is basically a goddess in the comics, in the movies they can certainly make her more powerful bc she will never come close to the comics. although a good guy with that much power is hard to work in a movie bc then no bad guy is a real threat. if jean ever comes back in a movie, she should be good and in control of the phoenix, afraid to let loose with her power knowing shell lose control, so she would have the potential but also the control

 

[chaseter]

although it would really make sense, i dont think they will choose this answer for one reason: these movies are made for general audience, and most of them, if not all of them, dont remember what happened in a movie that was released 6 years ago. It would be really hard to tie, most would get confused. Those who watched X1 dont remember what happened and there are lots of people who didnt watch the first movies. Heck, my brother and his girlfriend only watched X3.

So, in these movies, the plot points and answers have to be more immediate and simple, so that everyone understands the movie without watching the previous ones.

Thats why the Phoenix wasnt linked to the machine, and why the outcomes of Dark Cerebro weren't touched on X3...the movies must also work as a sequel, but in first place, work as a stand alone piece.

I totally understand that but in X3 they flashbacked and talked about Jean's death. We know Magneto got his power back and everyone wants Rogue to have her power back so I think this is the simplest and most relevant way to explain it. Magneto, Beast, the government, etc... could easily explain its effects on the mutants that were affected by it.

 

[BMM]

I think this is an interesting idea, but wouldn't it just be easier to say that the cure was mistakenly thought to be permanent when it is really revealed to be temporary? That way, one wouldn't have to spend much time in subsequent films attempting to justify the characters' various genetic alterations via exposition, etc.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Using Magnetos device as an explanation as to why these charecters get their powers back would be good. Doesnt take to much time to explain. They were able to sum up Jeans death quickly enough to bring her back.

But even if the cure werent permanent, it shouldnt be a surprise to people, even though its a movie they arent that smart to be able to completely get rid of someones mutant genes, surpress them yes but get rid of them 100% would be to hard. If they were able to do that, then they should be able to cure the common cold, hiv, etc..

Plus they used Leech to make the cure, his powers around permanent. Once someone steps away from him they are back to normal. So they just found a way to make the effect last a little longer.

 

[ntcrawler]

I find a contradictory argument used by fans here. the idea of the general audience being "dumb" and not remembering what happened in the previous film. It seems to go both ways. If one side of the camp tries to suggest plausible scenarios for bringing back, say, Jean or Scott, then the response is: "NO!!! that would be stupid! Because they died in the previous film". But on other matters, such as the concept of the cure, or Magneto's machine, or whether it's permanent or not, the idea seems to be perfectly all right as the audience won't remember what happened in a film made not too long ago. what gives?

 

[chaseter]

I just think saying the cure isn't permanent and everyone gets their powers back is cheap...but that is probably the way they will go.

 

[ntcrawler]

I think this is an interesting idea, but wouldn't it just be easier to say that the cure was mistakenly thought to be permanent when it is really revealed to be temporary? That way, one wouldn't have to spend much time in subsequent films attempting to justify the characters' various genetic alterations via exposition, etc.

How does anyone even know that the cure was permanent? There was nothing shown to indicate that Worthington Labs did any long-term research or observations on Cure recipients. If anything, they just came right into the spotlight without FDA approval and declared the Cure available. If it wasn't permament, surely they would have known that by now? Unless they had deeper, more sinister ideas for it (aka money made from regular treatments and applications).

 

[ntcrawler]

I just think saying the cure isn't permanent and everyone gets their powers back is cheap...but that is probably the way they will go.

Well, Xavier did come back after dying - and hell he didn't even wait for a sequel for his resurrection.

 

[chaseter]

How does anyone even know that the cure was permanent? There was nothing shown to indicate that Worthington Labs did any long-term research or observations on Cure recipients. If anything, they just came right into the spotlight without FDA approval and declared the Cure available. If it wasn't permament, surely they would have known that by now? Unless they had deeper, more sinister ideas for it (aka money made from regular treatments and applications).

Beast asked if it was viable so Worthington's lab had to have done research on it.

 

[chaseter]

Well, Xavier did come back after dying - and hell he didn't even wait for a sequel for his resurrection.

The next person that dies will come back within 20 mins...

 

[ntcrawler]

The next person that dies will come back within 20 mins...

Sounds like Xavier pulled a video game routine here. Yes, he was blown away, but comes back because he had another man t:

 

[chaseter]

Sounds like Xavier pulled a video game routine here. Yes, he was blown away, but comes back because he had another man t:

Cyclops was out of men

 

[ntcrawler]

Beast asked if it was viable so Worthington's lab had to have done research on it.

Depends what you mean by viable.

"does it work?"
"hell yeah. They shot mutants with it and their powers went away"

In the simplistic context of Penn and Kinberg's writing hovewer, I doubt they'd take into consideration the long-term effects, side effects, and consequences. look at contemporary medicine. Even the most common allergy pill now causes diarhea, nausea, menstrual cramps, birth defects, and brain damage. Except for the Cure. If this thing was being researched for a time comparable to the end of Alcatraz and whenever the heck Magneto is playing Chess, then it should have come out that something's not as it should should be, if the writers intend for the Cure to be non-permanent. Otherwise I'm inclined to believe that Worthington rushed production and fudged the paperwork.

 

[chaseter]

Depends what you mean by viable.

"does it work?"
"hell yeah. They shot mutants with it and their powers went away"

In the simplistic context of Penn and Kinberg's writing hovewer, I doubt they'd take into consideration the long-term effects, side effects, and consequences. look at contemporary medicine. Even the most common allergy pill now causes diarhea, nausea, menstrual cramps, birth defects, and brain damage. Except for the Cure. If this thing was being researched for a time comparable to the end of Alcatraz and whenever the heck Magneto is playing Chess, then it should have come out that something's not as it should should be, if the writers intend for the Cure to be non-permanent. Otherwise I'm inclined to believe that Worthington rushed production and fudged the paperwork.

The Cure
Side-effects include: diarrhea, headache, nausea, upset stomach, discharge, gas, and in some cases complete reversal of effects.

I still think that we would have seen more mutants getting their powers back.

 

[ntcrawler]

The Cure
Side-effects include: diarrhea, headache, nausea, upset stomach, discharge, gas, and in some cases complete reversal of effects.

I still think that we would have seen more mutants getting their powers back.

"Contact your local mutation specialist or Worthington Labs representative before attempting the Cure. If you are preggars, going to be preggars, nursing, or suffers moments of mental delusion, do not attempt Cure"

"Some recipients may experience violent, painful twitching for several minutes and loss of extra limbs and appendages as the Cure works its way through the body. This is normal"



As far as seeing more mutants take the cure? Perhaps there was more but Ratner cut it out, feeling that a shaking chess piece would sufficiently shake the audience.

Hmmm, an interesting idea. Raven looks into the mirror one day and sees a small patch of blue coming back to her skin...