Power Rangers 4.0 - Part 1

[Colossal Spoons]

20 years? I feel old as hell

I still say that SPD remains my favorite season post-MMPR

I see your SPD and raise you Lost Galaxy. You couldn't pry me away from the TV once that theme song hit.

 

[Gold Samurai]

They also dressed up the American actor in the exact same clothes to match footage


And the worst thing Saban did to Kamen Rider

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I AM AMAZON! has become an Meme in the PR/SS community

The damage he did caused there to not be a Kamen Rider series till 2008(under a different company)

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

I see your SPD and raise you Lost Galaxy. You couldn't pry me away from the TV once that theme song hit.

I'll take your Lost Galaxy theme song and up the ante with Lightspeed Rescue and Time Force, both excellent series and theme songs!

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Lightspeed Rescue FTW! I hated Time Force though. Which is weird b/c people consider it to be the closest to MMPR.

 

[louiebling$]

You know some of that footage was already 10 years old when they adapted it. Same with VR Troopers, which was actually two different Space Sheriff Gaven series edited together, which is why the team of 3 almost never appeared onscreen together. That show also had very old footage. I can't imagine it looks good considering how the MMPR footage looked old while it really was about a year older than the American footage.

O I know this its not the footage that's terrible its the actual adaptation... Horribly written, acted, and the story is so blaaah I just can't believed I enjoyed that lol MMPR is vastly superior in every way possible and honestly that's really not saying much considering how well Saban "adapted" Zyuranger

Man, I so want that JDF Green ranger movie to happen. Would be a lot of fun I think. Also, my favorite Sentai was Shinkenger.

Yea me too could be something really special and also be something for the older grown up fans... And yea Shinkenger was great too

 

[louiebling$]

The original pitch for Power Rangers samurai

http://amitbhaumik.tumblr.com/post/59915514235/original-power-rangers-samurai-proposal



And that would have been 5 times better than what we got

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Yeah that's the problem these days is that they've dumbed it down for the kids. Megaforce is cool at certain points but in certain episodes they really hammer in points that could be left to one or two sentences per episode instead of every other line.

My Power Rangers idea focuses on a more mature story line that would appeal to fans of all ages. I really need to meet Saban....

Colossal Spoons: You hated Time Force? Wow. I lot of people like it (besides the fact it was awesome) because it was the last one done by Saban until they reclaimed the rights and made Samurai. So in a lot of ways it was his last hurrah. But yeah Lightspeed Rescue FTW!

 

[TheDreamMaster]

Lightspeed Rescue FTW! I hated Time Force though. Which is weird b/c people consider it to be the closest to MMPR.

In Space gets my vote as favorite song besides the original theme. Man that song got me pumped when it came on.

Yeah that's the problem these days is that they've dumbed it down for the kids. Megaforce is cool at certain points but in certain episodes they really hammer in points that could be left to one or two sentences per episode instead of every other line.

My Power Rangers idea focuses on a more mature story line that would appeal to fans of all ages. I really need to meet Saban....

Colossal Spoons: You hated Time Force? Wow. I lot of people like it (besides the fact it was awesome) because it was the last one done by Saban until they reclaimed the rights and made Samurai. So in a lot of ways it was his last hurrah. But yeah Lightspeed Rescue FTW!

You ever see all the edits Time Force got after 9/11 ? I was actually pretty amazed, since a couple shots, including a helicopter crash, actually seemed to imply death, a lot like RPM did a lot later. There's a video comparing all TF versions on youtube somewhere.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Didn't know that, makes sense though. but we still can't be afraid to show maturish content to kids if it means getting a point across.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

Didn't know that, makes sense though. but we still can't be afraid to show maturish content to kids if it means getting a point across.

Agreed. There's a whole list of episodes that were edited:

Spoiler

"Force from the Future, Pt. 1": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqFlC0NzWHM
"Force from the Future, Pt. 2": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rerdr8glRiM
"Something To Fight For": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UG5b4NtowE
"Ransik Lives": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICzm1mGmYx0
"A Blue Streak": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0X5NoUNpvM
"A Parting of Ways": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_hGIFGa8Ow
"Short-Circuited": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkVHusbwrEg
"Jen's Revenge": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh31g_qdlQA
"The Legend of the Clock Tower": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItABUBLyQVg
"The Time Shadow": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn4MeYApiUc
"Future Unknown": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv7ghQ0favc
"Uniquely Trip": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHyUqhV79OQ
"Worlds Apart": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDuuawgepFE
"The Quantum Quest": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGMqdBGiVR8
"Clash for Control, Part 1": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bTvqrNRYnM
"Clash for Control, Part 2": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI8D_x7BqWo
"Bodyguard in Blue": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkKGBGyASg0
"Trust and Triumph": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXUrklpTANc
"Trip Takes a Stand": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKahSJpkCSg
"Quantum Secrets": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaP7_6TQb2A
"The Last Race": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzvI1JrocLs
"Lovestruck Rangers": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BH8OWyjdX8
"Full Exposure": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFUz4UNq8RU
"Movie Madness, Pt. 1": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pPDdv33Cj8
"Movie Madness, Pt. 2": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfqhaEwghBU
"Time Force Traitor": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18xo4DRFlSs
"Frax's Fury": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHIq1CZ7aNM
"Dawn of Destiny": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWyaf9pq-wo
"Fight Against Fate": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5E18ufE1wM
"Destiny Defeated": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KokEjSJc4ao
"Undercover Rangers": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CkIRz_qKlE
"Beware the Knight": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcYjG6U-BgU
"Time for Lightspeed": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1tYobJdcc8
"Reflections of Evil": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaCGg3a0v5Q
"Nadira's Dream Date": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meLk6ktrh8w
"Circuit Unsure": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di5_P-1VnTE
"A Calm Before the Storm": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2toqQCD8qI
"The End of Time, Pt. 1": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GP68m8ml2Q
"The End of Time, Pt. 2": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dex5FeUeiZU
"The End of Time, Pt. 3": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6SgxygUkWA

The bolded ones are the ones edited on Netflix (thanks RangerBoard for all these links.)

The best example of an edit is Ransik's terrorist speech from the 4th episode:
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[BlackMagicWolf]

wow. It's subtle but it's there. Again I understand it for the time period (no pun intended) but now adays we can't be afraid to do that. It does them no good when kids these days say a lot worse in regular speech.

Now I REALLY need to talk to Saban.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

wow. It's subtle but it's there. Again I understand it for the time period (no pun intended) but now adays we can't be afraid to do that. It does them no good when kids these days say a lot worse in regular speech.

Now I REALLY need to talk to Saban.

Yeah, at one point they completely deleted the speech and played the TFT theme over the scene. And I actually think it was the Network, not Saban. Fox Kids was quick to react. Now if Saban made the edits at their request its one thing, I don't know if that's what happened though.
I do know TF fans are petitioning Shout Factory to make sure it's the unedited TF that gets on the DVDs. So far, all airings since 9/11 have been some form of the Fox Kids edits.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Hopefully the DVD's and the EPIC complete collection won't have those edits.

 

[JabarR]

Source: Allison MacInnis's Twitter

 

[ImmaDeker]

Yeah that's the problem these days is that they've dumbed it down for the kids.

So I take it you never saw MMPR.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Love the pics of the returning crew, Kerone, Cassie, and Dana, all classic Pink Rangers. Glad to see so many back.

ImmaDeker: Of course I watched MMPR, and yes it was really kid-oriented, HOWEVER they also talked about very mature topics, especially as the later seasons went on, they killed Rangers, killed Zordon, betrayals, lies, corruption, etc.

Then they tried to "protect" the kids but limiting what they did and heard. Some of the later seasons were way too kid-friendly while others pushed boundaries. Megaforce is WAY to focused on the "protect the earth" thing they're going for. I mentioned above that the kept saying that line about every other sentence, they're trying to drill it into the kids brains instead of letting it come naturally.

That's all I meant.

 

[ImmaDeker]

Love the pics of the returning crew, Kerone, Cassie, and Dana, all classic Pink Rangers. Glad to see so many back.

ImmaDeker: Of course I watched MMPR, and yes it was really kid-oriented, HOWEVER they also talked about very mature topics,

Since when?

especially as the later seasons went on, they killed Rangers,

Like Kendrix, who magically came back to life.

Or maybe you meant Alex, who magically came back to life.

Surely you mean Daggeron and Leanbow, who magically came back to life.

But don't worry, I know you actually mean Gem and Gemma, who magically came back to life.

"Rangers" is deceptive. The only permanent death of a morphed hero is the first Magna Defender who, surprise, didn't really get what you'd call a "mature" death. He's consumed by his vengeance and upon his death reunites with Zika in a happy ending in Rubber Suit Heaven. Magna Defender is the only time death has any real repercussions and it's done in a way that lets the audience know it's NOT actually a sad event in the end, the impact of it is hurt because the emotion of the scene is being happy Magna Defender is with his son again. Then Mike gets the Magna Defender powers anyway, so it doesn't even really have anything resembling lasting repercussions.

So out of all the heroes who died FOR REALS, there's literally only one that lasted. And even then, that wasn't really approached in a way I'd call "mature." Heartwarming, maybe, if early Lost Galaxy wasn't ****ing awful. It shows a nice optimistic ending for a character. But I wouldn't make the argument that showing a character all happy and going to heaven after pursuing a horrible blood feud as "mature", because I am an adult man.

killed Zordon,

But Zordon's death was another device to get rid of actual repercussions. That ENDS the six year story arc of Zordon's teams. When we see Tommy again, for example? We never get his perspective on Zordon's death. Nor Jason's. Zordon's death and the emotional impact is never ACTUALLY dealt with. It's actually used to reverse actual repercussions: with Zordon dying, Andros doesn't have to live with killing his own sister and evil characters such as Rita, Divatox, and Zedd are magically turned good and thus don't have to face proper punishment, repercussion, or even so much as DWELL on their horrible actions. There's nothing there to make us assume they have, like, Angelus guilt. When they're turned good they're immediately happy and full of joy and never receive any level of guilt or comeuppance for their evils.

It's literally the least mature or nuanced outcome of Zordon's death humanly possible.

betrayals,

I don't get how that's inherently "very mature" subject matter. That happens all the time in kid's TV. It's a staple of dramatic fiction for LITERALLY EVERY DEMOGRAPHIC.

lies,

Kids lie all the time. Lying is part of being immature and, likewise, a show dealing with lying or having characters lie is tackling the most basic problem children will ever face on the playground.

It reminds me of that one episode where Zedd used the Mirror of Regret to show Adam his "dark past", which is just Adam being made fun of on the playground.

But no, the show used to be super mature, guys.

corruption, etc.

Are you serious? Again. Like every kid's show ever.

Then they tried to "protect" the kids but limiting what they did and heard. Some of the later seasons were way too kid-friendly while others pushed boundaries. Megaforce is WAY to focused on the "protect the earth" thing they're going for. I mentioned above that the kept saying that line about every other sentence, they're trying to drill it into the kids brains instead of letting it come naturally.

That's all I meant.

NOTHING in PR ever has any lasting mature implications. The closest the villains ever got to being emotionally or motivationally complex (Ransik) is still overly simplified and in many cases contradictory and awful. Ransik begins as having a point but his redemption in Wild Force is him turning human, which is a gross oversimplification of the themes Time Force tried to tackle. And Time Force ITSELF had resolved Ransik as realizing his entire rebellion was "founded on hatred" EVEN THOUGH HE WAS BEING OPPRESSED BY THE GOVERNMENT. Time Force was a season where evil, in this case the prejudice of Millennium City, won and you were unironically rooting for the bad guys (even though Power Rangers fans don't notice, because they're all primarily idiots).

"Mature" Power Rangers is such a terrible show on every conceivable level. I prefer stuff like MMPR and Megaforce because they don't botch their high fallutin' themes they think they can handle, but can't.

Power Rangers is not "very mature." And Megaforce isn't really that far removed from where the show began.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Wow....I'm not sure how to respond to that....so I won't.

 

[ImmaDeker]

You just did.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Fair enough. I think on this we'll just have to agree to disagree. I still love Power Rangers and I do like Megaforce and will watch it faithfully as I have for the previous seasons.

Rangers forever, Megaforce altogether.

 

[ImmaDeker]

Oh, I love Power Rangers too.

But I can NEVER take it with a straight face when people call it mature. It's not. I don't get why people can't just admit they like a goofy show for elementary school students.

 

[Dr. Evil]

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[BlackMagicWolf]

Don't get me wrong I love the goofiness. Bulk and Skull's antics are very fond memories for me and I love that they brought them back for Samurai.

We're not saying it needs to be "mature" we're just saying it doesn't need to be dumbed down unnecessarily, it can still be a kids show (as it's supposed to be) but it can also appeal to teens and yes adults. Why shouldn't this be the show to teach kids how to act? To teach teamwork, loyalty to friends, faith in oneself, and other important lessons that seemed to be lost nowadays?

That's all we're saying.

 

[Still Wynning]

Oh, I love Power Rangers too.

But I can NEVER take it with a straight face when people call it mature. It's not. I don't get why people can't just admit they like a goofy show for elementary school students.

You could argue that Super Sentai, even though it was aimed at kids and has it's moments of silliness and goofiness, takes itself more seriously and doesn't talk down to it's audience. And when characters die, they stay dead.

I just started watching Zyuranger, and even though it is kind of silly in some parts, it doesn't treat it's young audience like a bunch of numbskulls. I'm loving it so much more than MMPR it's not even funny. And I've only watched two episodes.

 

[ImmaDeker]

Sentai is no different. It's really not that much more "mature." Even Jetman, which I love and had an opening episode with the Red Ranger losing his fiance, had an early episode that played him getting a new girlfriend forced on him ENTIRELY for laughs without even taking the emotional reality of that into account.

I ****ing hate Zyuranger. The characters are bland, have no personality, and it devolves into a bunch of young boys in tiny boy shorts guest starring every episode. And Bandora's backstory is laughably, needlessly melodramatic.