Quentin Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

[Black Narcissus]

This is all going to be water under the bridge, if the rumor of Uma being in this film are true. lol

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'd love to see Uma in this. Hope those rumors are true. I hope she's in it and I can't wait to hear people talk for Thurman and how she's being forced into it. If he can find a role for her then she deserves it. Plus I remember them not too long ago dating didn't they?

Tarantino doesn't need to apologize publicly anymore. It could do him some good to talk about it openly and teaches him to have better behavior on set, but if it was privately settled, then consider this **** closed. Still shouldn't take away what he needs this to become better. Hell, Spielberg used to be an ******* to crew members until Kathleen Kennedy talked sense into him, yet it's been settled.

 

[redhawk23]

If anyone at any lower level than director was as careless and bad at their job they would never work again.

The fact that he's able to hide behind his power is exactly the problem.

 

[jmc]

He apologised to her and she placed the blame on the executives for covering it up. What more do you want?

 

[DACrowe]

The problem is severity though. People are just lumping everyone who does anything out of order under the same banner without knowing all the facts as is demonstrated by that new post by Uma. The outrage culture now is ignoring the fact that mistakes aren't equal. It's just throw everyone under the bus who ****s up regardless of their intent, regardless whether it happened or not, regardless of the facts. To hell with what's true, burn them at the stake because they might be evil. I don't know how anyone can be ok with that type of mentality. It's archaic.

 

[redhawk23]

He apologised to her and she placed the blame on the executives for covering it up. What more do you want?

One of the guilds to take action against this sh** across the board.

 

[scarlet-witch]

Tarantino responded

http://deadline.com/2018/02/quentin...&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

 

[redhawk23]

AAAaaaand right on schedule, here's audio of Tarantino defending Polanski in 2003 for drugging and raping a 13 year old.

https://jezebel.com/heres-audio-of-quentin-tarantino-defending-roman-polans-1822745916

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This is all going to be water under the bridge, if the rumor of Uma being in this film are true. lol

So, what about him saying Roman Polanski didn't rape a 13 year old girl, who wanted it?

 

[jmc]

Tarantino responded

http://deadline.com/2018/02/quentin...&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

This is why it's not a good idea to jump to conclusions.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This is why it's not a good idea to jump to conclusions.

I totally believe the guy that believes raping a 13 year old is totally not a thing if she "wants it". Even as she said no such thing and was 13 ****ing years old.

 

[jmc]

I totally believe the guy that believes raping a 13 year old is totally not a thing if she "wants it". Even as she said no such thing and was 13 ****ing years old.

Did you even read the ****ing article?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Did you even read the ****ing article?

Yep. Where he tries to downplay his actions and didn't consider it a stunt? Oh, I talked to her. Yeah, you know what? I read Thurman's. About how betrayed she felt and still feels. About how she realizes how men who treat you like that don't actually love you.

Did you listen to him talking about how a drugged 13 year old girl wanted to be raped?

 

[jmc]

Yep. Where he tries to downplay his actions and didn't consider it a stunt? Oh, I talked to her. Yeah, you know what? I read Thurman's. About how betrayed she felt and still feels. About how she realizes how men who treat you like that don't actually love you.

Did you listen to him talking about how a drugged 13 year old girl wanted to be raped?

The same article where he mentions collaborating with Uma on this very piece she released. Even if I had listen to those other comments it's a completely different issue he's going to have to contend with and has no real relevance to the negligent filming situation with Uma.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The same article where he mentions collaborating with Uma on this very piece she released. Even if I had listen to those other comments it's a completely different issue he's going to have to contend with and has no real relevance to the negligent filming situation with Uma.

Yep. Did you read that article? Does it sound like a collaboration or are you going to ignore that article in favor of what the defender of a child rapist says? Because Thurman specifically states:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/03/opinion/sunday/this-is-why-uma-thurman-is-angry.html

Now, so many years after the accident, inspired by the reckoning on violence against women, reliving her own “dehumanization to the point of death” in Mexico, and furious that there have not been more legal repercussions against Weinstein, Thurman says she handed over the result of her own excavations to the police and ramped up the pressure to cajole the crash footage out of Tarantino.

“Quentin finally atoned by giving it to me after 15 years, right?” she says. “Not that it matters now, with my permanently damaged neck and my screwed-up knees.”

(Tarantino aficionados spy an echo of Thurman’s crash in his 2007 movie, “Death Proof,” produced by Weinstein and starring Thurman’s stunt double, Zoë Bell. Young women, including a blond Rose McGowan, die in myriad ways, including by slamming into a windshield.)

As she sits by the fire on a second night when we talk until 3 a.m., tears begin to fall down her cheeks. She brushes them away.

“When they turned on me after the accident,” she says, “I went from being a creative contributor and performer to being like a broken tool.”

Thurman says that in “Kill Bill,” Tarantino had done the honors with some of the sadistic flourishes himself, spitting in her face in the scene where Michael Madsen is seen on screen doing it and choking her with a chain in the scene where a teenager named Gogo is on screen doing it.

“Harvey assaulted me but that didn’t kill me,” she says. “What really got me about the crash was that it was a cheap shot. I had been through so many rings of fire by that point. I had really always felt a connection to the greater good in my work with Quentin and most of what I allowed to happen to me and what I participated in was kind of like a horrible mud wrestle with a very angry brother. But at least I had some say, you know?” She says she didn’t feel disempowered by any of it. Until the crash.

“Personally, it has taken me 47 years to stop calling people who are mean to you ‘in love’ with you. It took a long time because I think that as little girls we are conditioned to believe that cruelty and love somehow have a connection and that is like the sort of era that we need to evolve out of.”

That he tries to contradict her makes it worse. But seriously, you don't see how someone who would rationalize rape of a child would try and lie his way out of something?

 

[jmc]

Yep. Did you read that article? Does it sound like a collaboration or are you going to ignore that article in favor of what the defender of a child rapist says?

So, in your mind, he's being blunt about how he believes the situation with Polanski went down, but he's lying about the situation with Thurman?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So, in your mind, he's being blunt about how he believes the situation with Polanski went down, but he's lying about the situation with Thurman?

I think like all people who abuse others, he likes to twist reality to make it not look as so. He did it with Polanski, who he likes, and with the Thurman situation. Do you assume she is lying?

Also did you just call saying you can't rape a 13 year old girl who wants it being blunt, like it ain't no big deal?

 

[jmc]

I think like all people who abuse others, he likes to twist reality to make it not look as so. He did it with Polanski, who he likes, and with the Thurman situation. Do you assume she is lying?

No, I don't think she's lying. Wanting more information on the situation is not the same as thinking someone is lying.

Also did you just call saying you can't rape a 13 year old girl who wants it being blunt, like it ain't no big deal?

Be very, very careful with your words right now Darth or I will report you for making baseless accusations. Understood?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No, I don't think she's lying. Wanting more information on the situation is not the same as thinking someone is lying.

You must think she is lying if you are simply going to take his word for it. Look at the article that started all this. Do they match up?

Be very, very careful right now with your words right now Darth or I will report you for making baseless accusations. Understood?

This is what you wrote:

So, in your mind, he's being blunt about how he believes the situation with Polanski went down, but he's lying about the situation with Thurman?

This is what Tarantino said:

That Tarantino’s apologia is disingenuous in the era of #MeToo could come as a surprise if you’re unfamiliar with the director’s love of depicting women having the **** kicked out of them camera or if your unfamiliar with interviews he’s done in the past. Like, for example, this 2003 Howard Stern interview submitted to us by a reader in which he adamantly defends Roman Polanski’s sexual assault of a 13-year-old in 1977.

Asked by Stern why Hollywood embraces “this mad man, this director who raped a 13-year-old,” Tarantino replied:

“He didn’t rape a 13-year-old. It was statutory rape...he had sex with a minor. That’s not rape. To me, when you use the word rape, you’re talking about violent, throwing them down—it’s like one of the most violent crimes in the world. You can’t throw the word rape around. It’s like throwing the word ‘racist’ around. It doesn’t apply to everything people use it for.”

Reminded by Robin Quivers that Polanski’s victim—who had been plied with quaaludes and alcohol before her assault—did not want to have sex with Polanski, Tarantino became riled up.

Tarantino: No, that was not the case AT ALL. She wanted to have it and dated the guy and—

Quivers: She was 13!

Tarantino: And by the way, we’re talking about America’s morals, not talking about the morals in Europe and everything.

Stern: Wait a minute. If you have sex with a 13-year-old girl and you’re a grown man, you know that that’s wrong.

Quivers: ...giving her booze and pills...

Tarantino: Look, she was down with this.

What do you know: A Weinstein apologist who pushes his actors into unsafe situations and loves casually using the n-word is also an ******* with dangerous opinions.

Now what part of me asking you if you were actually saying Tarantino saying you can't rape a 13 year old "who wants it" is simply him being blunt, when it is clearly way worse then that? She has said she didn't by the way. Not that it matters, she was 13.

So what "baseless accusation" are you accusing me of exactly?

 

[redhawk23]

So, just bringing this back around again, while Polanski's known sexual abuse came later, including him as a character in the Manson film was already drawing some red flags, despite Polanski not really being separable from that story. Now though, its pretty clear that Tarantino has a history of some fairly questionable views and admiration of Polanski.

It just adds another layer of "well this might not be a good idea" to the project.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Tarantino continuing his career at this point is probably not a good idea.

 

[Snow Queen]

So, in your mind, he's being blunt about how he believes the situation with Polanski went down, but he's lying about the situation with Thurman?

Blunt is a bit of an understatement, I would think.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Wow, the stuff regarding Uma Thurman is bad enough, his comments on Polanski are disgusting, how the hell did he get away with that interview and keep getting so much positive spotlight?

 

[redhawk23]

Wow, the stuff regarding Uma Thurman is bad enough, his comments on Polanski are disgusting, how the hell did he get away with that interview and keep getting so much positive spotlight?

The same reason Polanski himself won the Oscar for best director a few months before, no one cared.

 

[redhawk23]

So, in your mind, he's being blunt about how he believes the situation with Polanski went down, but he's lying about the situation with Thurman?

More of a matter that he clearly has a hard time understanding the concept of consent and respecting the personhood of women and girls so maaaaaaybe his view of the situation with Uma Thurman is pretty damn skewed.