Question.....

[regwec]

Batman-metahumans nearly always suck, but they are out there.

 

[BubbaGump]

Who cares about superpowers, really? Batman has the finest rogues gallery in all of comics. It blows all the other ones to dust.

 

[venomscurse2]

eh... *cough*not really*cough*cough*

 

[BubbaGump]

eh...*cough*gobacktothemarvelforums*cough*

 

[CConn]

Batman does have one of the best rogues gallery in comics. Whenever the question of good rogue galleries, Batman - along with Flash and Spider-Man - is always one of the first to be mentioned.

 

[regwec]

Batman's have the edge over Spiderman's because less of them conform to slightly comical animal themes. Flash's rogues are probably the most likeable in comics, but they don't really have the dramatic weight of someone like Two Face, The Joker, or Ra's al Ghul.

 

[Vile]

Batman does have one of the best rogues gallery in comics. Whenever the question of good rogue galleries, Batman - along with Flash and Spider-Man - is always one of the first to be mentioned.

Agreed!


...wait, the Flash? Really?

 

[Saint]

Damn right, The Flash.

 

[Saint]

Mr. Freeze has NO powers at all

*Buzzer sounds*

You lose. Freeze's physiology allows him to survive at sub-zero temperatures. Superpower.

 

[CConn]

Agreed!


...wait, the Flash? Really?

Yes, the Flash.

While their appearances kinda belie their quality, they really are some of the very best villains in comics. If you actually start to explore Flash's rogue, you'll find an extremely diverse tapestry of characters - each with their own motivations and characteristics.

They aren't just a bunch of psychopaths like Batman's villains - not at all - they're something entirely different - something that sometimes can even resemble businessmen - and that adds a pretty interesting element to them. IMO, at least.

 

[Saint]

I don't think that can be considered a power, because he can't survive at normal higher temperatures, so it's more of a disease than a power.

So? It's still a power, just like Peter Parker, Clark Kent, and Bruce Banner are all superpowered even though they are only suffering from various forms of radiation poisoning.

 

[Saint]

Yes, the Flash.

While their appearances kinda belie their quality, they really are some of the very best villains in comics. If you actually start to explore Flash's rogue, you'll find an extremely diverse tapestry of characters - each with their own motivations and characteristics.

They aren't just a bunch of psychopaths like Batman's villains - not at all - they're something entirely different - something that sometimes can even resemble businessmen - and that adds a pretty interesting element to them. IMO, at least.

Yeah, this is true. They have a little more diversity to them than most villain groups. For example, Spider-Man mostly fights sci-fi animal-themed villains, the X-Men mostly fight other mutants, Captain America mostly fights politically-themed villains, and Batman, like you said, fights nutbags.

Flash villains are easy to write incorrectly, because they've got such silly gimmicks. I mean, The Top? That screams silly, but anyone who has read Geoff John's stuff knows The Top is awesome. It's also difficult to write them because they have to compete with The Flash. Most writers don't get how Captain Cold can battle the Flash (This is why the Rogue's work together; you need numbers when fighting superspeed).

The Rogues are a curious anomaly because they break the villain pattern. One would assume the Flash would fight mostly speed-themed villains. Instead, there's only Zoom (Zoom II being one of my favourite villains ever, by the way). I suppose you can count The Top as having super speed, too.

 

[Saint]

Um, no.
A superpowered person is basically having all the physical qualities of a human plus something extra.

Why? Because you say so? I guess vampires don't have any superpowers, then?

Mr Freeze doesn't have all the physical qualites of normal human beings.
His body can't survive basic temperatures, it can only survive the cold.
He's not some guy who can survive basic weather plus sub zero temperatures

Actually he is, thanks to the suit. By your definition, Captain Atom has no superpowers because he can't survive without his containment suit. Same goes for Superman during his electric phase, or Wildfire from the Legion of Super Heroes. Oh, and I guess Chamber's ability to project massive amounts of energy isn't a superpower because he can't survive without the use of said power to sustain himself. (This is a very lengthy way of telling you that your definition is wrong). These individuals, much like Mr. Freeze, have unfortunate conditions, yes: but they are conditions that give them superpowers. A superpower is an ability beyond the natural abilities of humans; whatever detrimental affects it may also have are irrelevant.

 

[Saint]

It's not because I say so, it's because that's what it is. A regular human with extraordinary gifts.

If you want to use a flawed definition, surely.

Vampires are demons, not humans.

Revealing yet another flaw in your definition (hint: superpowers are not limited to humans).

So now wearing a special suit makes you superpowered?

Certainly not; I was only countering your assertion that he cannot survive at normal temperature. He can, thanks to the suit.

I don't know much about Captain Adam or Wildfire, so I don't really know what to say to them.

All you need to know is that their conditions give them superpowers (In Captain Atom's case, the ability to generate radiation blasts and whatnot) but render them unable to survive without containment suits, just like Mr. Freeze.

Chamber is a mutant, homo superior according to X-Comics. He's technically not human. And as I said before, Superman is an alien.

Correct: and they all have superpowers, because superpowers are not limited to humans.

I'm not trying to have a debate here, but Freeze doesn't have superpowers.

I suppose you'd say Clayface in BTAS had no superpowers, either? After all, his condition rendered him unable to survive without assistance (as shown in his second appearance). And I guess Daredevil doesn't have an superpowers either, since that which gives him SUPER senses (like Freeze's SUPER resistance to cold) also renders him blind. Man, it seems very few superpeople have superpowers under your definition; that's because your contention that one must be a normal human to qualify as superpowered is ridiculous. A superpower is a superpower is a superpower, regardless of what other ill effects it may cause. Freeze's ability to survive at sub-zero temperatures is a superpower.

 

[Vile]

Yes, the Flash.

While their appearances kinda belie their quality, they really are some of the very best villains in comics. If you actually start to explore Flash's rogue, you'll find an extremely diverse tapestry of characters - each with their own motivations and characteristics.

They aren't just a bunch of psychopaths like Batman's villains - not at all - they're something entirely different - something that sometimes can even resemble businessmen - and that adds a pretty interesting element to them. IMO, at least.

I'll have to check 'em out! Thanks!