The Dark Knight Rises Rachel's role in Batman 3

[GregComicFan]

How emotionally injured do you think Batman will be due to Rachel's death in Batman 3? I always felt like Nolan didn't include to many scenes of Bruce being broken up over Rachel because he didnt want to slow down/bog down the plot (which flew at a brisk pace) and he was holding it for Batman 3.

 

[TheBatman072]

About as much as Batman is torn up for anyone close to him that dies in the comics. Tortured, hurt, brooding. Probably a little cold and distant.

 

[Temple Fugate]

sympathy sex

 

[COMPO]

i'd like him to be a little cold and as he questions his mission he questions whether this is what she would have wanted for him. Would be good if whilst talking about her or rather giving short dismissive answers about her he holds the arrow they found as kids in his hand and strokes it as a sign that he's grieving for her. Also, would be good if after Racheal he is kinda cut off from love in a way he goes out with women but leaves them on the first date or cancels on them cos he isn't over her.

 

[Grommers]

Well, he won't do anything crazier than when his parents died thats for sure.

 

[COMPO]

he could do the bat-tuzi :S lmao that would totally to dressing up as a bat and fighting criminals. now he's dressed as a bat and fighting criminals whilst dancing like adam west lol

 

[DieSmiling]

He'll just be a little bit darker, a little more brooding. Bruce isn't exactly the kind of guy who spends a lot of time talking about his feelings.

 

[BobJM]

He'll be hesitant with the mysterious Selina Kyle, but she'll help him move on.

 

[bunk]

Two words. Zombie Rachel.

 

[COMPO]

oooof thats low that lol but two words: clay face lol
do it like Hush and have clayface impersonate her to torture Batman.

 

[namtaB]

LOL he wasn't particular emotional when Rachel died. He kept it together pretty well just after her death so I doubt that it'll be a lingering issue in Batman 3. Dent on the other hand was totally whipped and flipped out when Rachel died. I'm kinda glad they killed off his character.

People keep saying "it'll be a lingering issue" "Joker's presence will be felt" Where the hack does this line of thinking come from? In TDK there was no "lingering effect" from Ra's and the League wasn't "felt" at all in the film. Even Scarecrow in all his sadistic glory in BB was reduced to a token role in TDK.

 

[BestGirl]

I think we'll see a few moments of Bruce brooding over Rachel and his parents before he meets Selina. He may even bring up Rachel with Alfred as he finds himself falling for Catwoman but that'll be it.

 

[ND Irish]

Well, he won't do anything crazier than when his parents died thats for sure.

lol nice

 

[Ledlunar]

LOL he wasn't particular emotional when Rachel died. He kept it together pretty well just after her death so I doubt that it'll be a lingering issue in Batman 3. Dent on the other hand was totally whipped and flipped out when Rachel died. I'm kinda glad they killed off his character.

People keep saying "it'll be a lingering issue" "Joker's presence will be felt" Where the hack does this line of thinking come from? In TDK there was no "lingering effect" from Ra's and the League wasn't "felt" at all in the film. Even Scarecrow in all his sadistic glory in BB was reduced to a token role in TDK.

I think the scene of him sitting in the penthouse showed he was pretty upset, but he had his hands full afterwards til the end of the film, with all the chaos

and a bit of the events from BB were felt if you can piece them together... Alfred mentioned when wayne manner is rebuilt (they burnt it down) and Joker had used a Arkham escape in the funeral service.... they let the inmates out , and yeah scarecrow,,,, Im kindof happy they did it this way instead of having grieving families littered around in the film or something along those lines... I remember some of the Gotham newspaper bits from between BB & TDK had some stuff to bridge them a bit more aswell

I wonder how much time took place between BB & TDK anyone know if it was ever said?

 

[CaptainClown]

she is feeding worms

 

[Ryan]

Great thread. I thought I was the only one who noticed that her death was pretty well treated with indifference for the last part of the film. Not that I care one way or the other about Rachel (no matter who is playing her), but why spend so much time on a character that was supposedly so close to Bruce and have her death mean nothing. Ya he was broken up etc in the penthouse and Alfred gives the speech about 'burning the forest down" to catch the criminal. I thought this would mean Batman was really going to badass on the streets, turn up the intimidation and really give it to the Joker in the end. He did more to Ra's (let him die after a beatdown) who didn't harm anyone close to him then he did to the Joker. Other then using Rachel to turn Dent to Two Face (whose story line also seemingly ends) she meant nothing. Maybe in the next film they will address this. If they don't, won't matter to me anyways.

 

[Quinzel]

sympathy sex

Seriously? Comeon clocks! Ya can do better than that.

I refuse to address ya as the spirit. Yer still clocks.

 

[Mr. Earle]

She is spinning in her grave!

 

[Ledlunar]

Great thread. I thought I was the only one who noticed that her death was pretty well treated with indifference for the last part of the film. Not that I care one way or the other about Rachel (no matter who is playing her), but why spend so much time on a character that was supposedly so close to Bruce and have her death mean nothing. Ya he was broken up etc in the penthouse and Alfred gives the speech about 'burning the forest down" to catch the criminal.

I thought this would mean Batman was really going to badass on the streets, turn up the intimidation and really give it to the Joker in the end. He did more to Ra's (let him die after a beatdown) who didn't harm anyone close to him then he did to the Joker.

Other then using Rachel to turn Dent to Two Face (whose story line also seemingly ends) she meant nothing. Maybe in the next film they will address this. If they don't, won't matter to me anyways.

thats because Joker wanted Batman to kill him. he wanted to crush his spirit, Ra's was being cocky and said "have you finally learned to do what must be done" which is what Batman blew his temple up to prevent (executioners) and besides Ra's caused the situation on the train and we seen he is as highly trained as Bruce ...Id tell him to fend for himself aswell, its different then throwing the Joker off a roof and not saving him,, thats the difference between Nolans Batman and Burtons and Ra's did pretty much kill someone as dear inadvertantly, he created the depression that creates Joe Chills who murder good people out of desperation


remember she taught Bruce the lesson in Nolans story of why you can't go killing (you'll become the same as them) and set what Batman stands for.. maybe she should have gave Harvey the speech too and slapped him but he was a good man as she knew him

 

[CJ]

Great thread. I thought I was the only one who noticed that her death was pretty well treated with indifference for the last part of the film.

I agree Bruce wasn't emotional enough except for the penthouse scene. Pretty stupid, considering Dent hasn't known Rachel as long as Bruce has. He should be the one who is more emotional about it, not Dent.

That aside, I actually saw some of Rachel in the prewitt building fight.

Rachel's letter said "Bruce, if you lose your faith in me, please keep your faith in people"

Both Gordon and Joker were counting on the people on the ferries to blow each other up. Batman should've been the most worried, since he lost his parents to a Gotham citizen, and knows the crime and corruption the city is filled with. Yet he didn't for a second believe the people would actually do it.

Gordon: Every second, those people get closer to blowing each other up!

Batman: That WON'T happen.

---------

Joker: We really should stop this fighting, otherwise we'll miss the fireworks.

Batman: There won't be any fireworks!

I know Bruce didn't actually READ the letter Rachel gave him, but her letter foreshadowed the Ferry situation, and Bruce didn't lose faith in the people of Gotham, which is what led to the Joker's capture. So in a weird way, Rachel's part of the scene.

Also, the next Batman should revisit the 'arrowhead' thing from Batman Begins. It was such a big part of the story of Begins, that i'm suprised Batman didn't pull out the arrowhead after her death in TDK..

 

[Ryan]

Hi there, thanks for both of thoughts on my comments. For Ledlunar, I don't think that Batman should have killed the Joker or let him fall to his death. I was actually surprised in BB that he would let Ras plummet to his death. I thought it was a pretty dark move for Batman to do, but I was totally fine with it. I merely suggest that should have silenced the Joker as way to show that Batman won. I'm a fan of the Batman. In the comics, Batman constantly brings the Joker to his knees and frustrates him by defeating him in the end. In the movie, Batman either should have told something to the Joker that would have shut him up or frurstrated him or simply knocked him out. The entire movie had Batman playing catch up to the Joker and I thought (especially based on the trailers) that Batman had learned what it took to deal with men like him. Basically like Alfred said, burn down the forest. A classic movie like Unforgiven where the hero sticks to his non-violence code for almost the entire movie, unleashes himself one last time to avenge his murdered friend. So for all of Batman's speeches in the film or learning (from Rachel's death) what it takes to beat a guy like the Joker, he really didn't change at all. The only evidence I see of "change" was a growing sense of omnipresence with his Batradar device, which Fox disapproved of. Anyways, sorry for rambling. The Two Face ending saved the movie for me and brought some sensible closure to it. As for the Joker, Heath's death will see to it that in this current series the Joker wins, or at least in his own mind. Cjmcray I see your points about the letter. Which could all be very true. Still I absolutely no emotional investment in the Rachel/Bruce relationship. His parents death had Bruce try to kill Joe Chill, become a ninja and dress like Bat to make sense of their death. Everything he does post parents death are really expressions of how he is still dealing with it. Rachel's death? Ya he got a bit weepy in the penthouse, but other then that their was no amping up skills, intimidation, ruthlessness or detective skills. On the other hand for people saying Batman learned violence doesn't work, well I didn't see Batman staging any peace protests either or love ins. In other words, there was little to no (unless we want to major stretches of imagination and inferencing) evidence of Rachel's death affecting Bruce/Batman. If he didn't care, I suppose then I shouldn't either.

 

[Grommers]

Hi Ryan,


Here at the hype we like things being written in Paragraphs.





I don't get why you guys think there will be more to Rachels death, you think he let anyone else know about how much his parents death affected him? More than likely we might see a small scene of him talking to Alfred the only other person who really knew how his Parents death changed his life. Even fox and him didn't really have any deep scenes, which I liked..


Simple enough, there won't be a distraught bruce in the third one, nor do I want there to be...he's brooding, and always has been, as Rachel said he can't live without Batman anymore and batman makes him that dark person.

 

[Ryan]

Hope this is a better size. I even indented to make it more paragraph-like. I agree I doubt there will be a distraught Batman in part 3 and I hope that there isn't. He never brought up his parents death in the second one, so why would he bring up Rachel's in a sequel. End of paragraph.

 

[Grommers]

Thanks, my brain is no longer hurting.

 

[Ryan]

lol..glad to help.