Rambo

[블라스]

Your dialogue is terrible, and everything else about you is mediocre!

 

[The Dark Defender]

I'm not going to rate this 10/10 just for the violence. The dialogue was terrible. True, the killing and gore scenes were realistic I'm sure, but everything else about the film was just mediocre.

Neither is anybody else, people rate it highly because of understanding and respecting the hell out of Sly's intentions with opening the worlds eyes to what the people in this area have to go through on a daily basis, and because of how beautifully it integrates elements from the other films and book ends the series...I love when people go on about how terrible things are without any actual reason for it.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Come on. No one loves this movie more than me, but some of the writing was really silly.

I was refering to the scene where the woman missionary (whatever her name was, Karen?) sits up to talk to Rambo, who is standing directly behind them piloting the boat and the lead male missionary goes "What are you doing?" and she replies "I'm going to talk to him." The male says something like "I'm sure he'd rather be left alone", all the while Rambo is just standing there taking it all in. The conversation is set up as if she's going to head far back into the boat to talk to him, when it's nothing but a little step up; Rambo's in the same frame. It was hysterical.

And then of course there's Rambo and Karen(?)'s initial back and forth, which consists literally of a "Go home." "No." "Go home." "We can change things!" "You can't change nothin'!" Yes we can." "You can't change nothing!"

It's classic 80s movie, tough as nails, war is hell, f*** the world stuff. It's great, and totally proper for the movie, but it's not "excellent".

Burmese soldiers exploding into red goo - THAT'S excellent!

That scene on the boat is precisely what I thought you meant, and I really have no idea why you found it so awkward, the scene indicated that Sarah was going to talk to him and Michael didn't want her to, how far away he was is irrelevant.

RAMBO and Sarah's "maybe we can't change what is, but trying to save a life isn't wasting your life, is it?" Exchange is one of my favorite moments in the film and from that point I really cared about her and was invested in his mission to save her.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I understand that. But what I didn't like about it was the fact that he put this larger-than-life action hero into the mix of it to attempt to make it all a great/fun action flick that's purely fictional. It seemed too much like profiteering to me.

That type of violence belongs in true non-fiction films, like a Saving Private Ryan or Platoon type film, not Rambo.

I loved the idea of dropping the biggest cinematic bad-ass of all time into the most genocidal, war torn area on the planet.
I don't see how it's anymore profiteering than any other war film is.

The movie certainly doesn't try to make it "fun" when we're being shown what the people in the area are subjected to.
It's a great action movie with something important to say, neither intention interfered with the other.

 

[HUMAN]

I loved the idea of dropping the biggest cinematic bad-ass of all time into the most genocidal, war torn area on the planet.
I don't see how it's anymore profiteering than any other war film is.

The movie certainly doesn't try to make it "fun" when we're being shown what the people in the area are subjected to.
It's a great action movie with something important to say, neither intention interfered with the other.

I have no problem with Sly putting Rambo in Burma. It's a hell of a lot better than putting him in Iraq where the story was originally suppose to take place. All we needed was to see him fight those who he aided in Rambo III. Its just the idea of a fictional action hero being subjected to this "real world" and him solving all the problems.

I guess the closest thing I can compare it to is the Marvel comic issue where all of the Marvel superheroes and villains aided the NYC firefighters and cops after 9/11. They didn't put them there before the attacks and made them stop it, that would be totally demeaning. Instead, they let the heroes come in after the attacks happened and they helped to clean it up. It was trying to say that even on our darkest days, heroes won't always pull through, even fictional ones, but they can always help.

If Stallone would have just erased some of the realistic aspects (the footage at the beginning and the children being knifed) it would have made it more enjoyable. This movie isn't suppose to be Saving Private Ryan or Flags of Our Fathers, it's suppose to be an action movie. Something to enjoy on a fictional stature. Indiana Jones did just fine being in the world of Nazi tyranny Germany without having documentary footage put into the beginning or seeing the Holocaust.

But, I reiterate, I give the movie a 10/10. It's not like I'm giving it a 4/10 for those two aspects like some reviewers would.

 

[Prison Mike]

Neither is anybody else, people rate it highly because of understanding and respecting the hell out of Sly's intentions with opening the worlds eyes to what the people in this area have to go through on a daily basis, and because of how beautifully it integrates elements from the other films and book ends the series...I love when people go on about how terrible things are without any actual reason for it.

sorry, but the dialogue really pulled me out of the movie. even though it was only 90 minutes, it felt longer.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Again, with no real reasons.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I have no problem with Sly putting Rambo in Burma. It's a hell of a lot better than putting him in Iraq where the story was originally suppose to take place. All we needed was to see him fight those who he aided in Rambo III. Its just the idea of a fictional action hero being subjected to this "real world" and him solving all the problems.

I guess the closest thing I can compare it to is the Marvel comic issue where all of the Marvel superheroes and villains aided the NYC firefighters and cops after 9/11. They didn't put them there before the attacks and made them stop it, that would be totally demeaning. Instead, they let the heroes come in after the attacks happened and they helped to clean it up. It was trying to say that even on our darkest days, heroes won't always pull through, even fictional ones, but they can always help.

If Stallone would have just erased some of the realistic aspects (the footage at the beginning and the children being knifed) it would have made it more enjoyable. This movie isn't suppose to be Saving Private Ryan or Flags of Our Fathers, it's suppose to be an action movie. Something to enjoy on a fictional stature. Indiana Jones did just fine being in the world of Nazi tyranny Germany without having documentary footage put into the beginning or seeing the Holocaust.

But, I reiterate, I give the movie a 10/10. It's not like I'm giving it a 4/10 for those two aspects like some reviewers would.

I think it's a brilliant combination of an intense, uber exciting action film and an untamed, visceral look at what people are subjected to in an obscure part of the world that few people know about...as good as RAMBO is, nothing he does in this film seems like way over the top fantasy violence.
I don't think that his bad-assery took away from the unrelenting realism at all.
I respect the hell out of him for being able to combine the two, and I wish there were more films like it.

 

[TNC9852002]

Hmmmm...did all of the other Rambo movies have good dialogue?

-TNC

 

[Prison Mike]

Again, with no real reasons.

I just said the dialogue. What part of that don't you understand?

 

[steintym]

There are two things wrong with this movie IMO:

1. It's displayed as a real event (and it is) but Stallone put too much comic book violence/action hero adventures in it for such a horrific real life event. It was like it profited off of other peoples tragedy. The thing that would have made it go over a little better with me is cut out the very first part with the real life news casts. Just put up a little prompt at the beginning explaining whats going on in Burma instead of showing what actual people go through and try to put a fictional action hero in the middle of it all.

2. It was really disturbing to show little kids be mutilated in the village. Once again, this is a fictional 'guy movie.' Putting children under a soldiers knife or in front of an AK-47 is just too much to divulge when I'm trying to enjoy the other pieces of bloody glory.

Besides those two things, I still gave the movie a 10/10. It was great fun, but those two small tweaks would have given me more leeway into entering this world where one soldier lays waste to genocidal maniacs.



On a side note, though. It would be interesting to see a complete remake of the original First Blood. Make it more connected with the book, but update it to today. Instead of having Rambo as a Vietnam vet, let him be a Iraqi vet. Teasle, instead of a Korean War vet, a Gulf War vet. This would allow them to be somewhat closer in relation to one another due to their common former battlegrounds. Also, don't change the ending of the book. Rambo dies!

First of all, I think this film moves away from the comic book violence and action. Are you sure you weren't watching Rambo III? I think this film had the most realistic portrayal of violence and action since the first film.

Second, you're right, showing the violence towards the children is disturbing. That's the point. The movie is trying to show the disgusting, brutal violence that is actually taking place today.

Finally, a remake with an Iraq vet doesn't work the same. The soldiers fighting in today's war are not coming home to persecution, ridicule, and violence that the 'Nam vets faced when they returned. Kind of a key point of First Blood.

 

[steintym]

I don't get people complaining about the dialogue. I have never gone to a Rambo movie looking forward to, or expecting, great dialogue. Pretty weak criticism.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I just said the dialogue. What part of that don't you understand?

The part where there are no reasons for why the dialogue is supposedly so bad.

Anybody can "this is bad" or "this is good," that's not a reason.

 

[omid17]

First of all, I think this film moves away from the comic book violence and action. Are you sure you weren't watching Rambo III? I think this film had the most realistic portrayal of violence and action since the first film.

Second, you're right, showing the violence towards the children is disturbing. That's the point. The movie is trying to show the disgusting, brutal violence that is actually taking place today.

Finally, a remake with an Iraq vet doesn't work the same. The soldiers fighting in today's war are not coming home to persecution, ridicule, and violence that the 'Nam vets faced when they returned. Kind of a key point of First Blood.

 

[daywalker2007]

absolutely right.

before this movie was made, people were going on about how "unrealistc" rambo 3 was, with its over the top stuff.

Well now, Stallone listened to the fans and the public, and fixed all of these for this movie, and has succeeded.

All those whingers who come up with lame excuses to criticise this movie.

Put it this way, this movie makes Saving Private Ryan look like a kids movie.

Rambo with his bow and arrow makes Robin Hood look like a *****.

This movie is superb.

a real accurate portrayal of today's bloody and violent world.

 

[Dangerous]

I have no problem with Sly putting Rambo in Burma. It's a hell of a lot better than putting him in Iraq where the story was originally suppose to take place. All we needed was to see him fight those who he aided in Rambo III. Its just the idea of a fictional action hero being subjected to this "real world" and him solving all the problems.

That would have been terrible, just like Rambo III was terrible.

I don't think you quite understand that this time round Sly wanted to make a film about war that actually treats the issue of war with the respect it deserves. War is not fun, and it's not about cartoon violence.
Rambo revenging middle eastern terrorists would have come off as very hokey and lame.

This new film is about two things-

1-Showing what is going on in Burma
2-Where does the warrior go? What has become of Rambo?

Ok so you don't like the merging of the reality of Burma w/ a fictitious war character, but Sly has done something different with this film and for most genre fans he seems to be right on the money. Personally I think his design for RAMBO is what the series needed. Another cheesefest like Rambo III would have been lampooned by everyone.

 

[E. Nygma]

I saw this movie today

I thought it was really cool.

Kinda short, should have been longer. But a great way to spend a little over an hour, seeing an action packed kick ass movie.

The acting and storyline in the movie leaves much to be desired, but come on it's a Rambo movie. Again, High Octane awesomeness is what you pay to see and if thats what you want, go see it now!

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

First of all, I think this film moves away from the comic book violence and action. Are you sure you weren't watching Rambo III? I think this film had the most realistic portrayal of violence and action since the first film.

Second, you're right, showing the violence towards the children is disturbing. That's the point. The movie is trying to show the disgusting, brutal violence that is actually taking place today.

Finally, a remake with an Iraq vet doesn't work the same. The soldiers fighting in today's war are not coming home to persecution, ridicule, and violence that the 'Nam vets faced when they returned. Kind of a key point of First Blood.

They kind of remade First Blood aleady...It was a movie I think called...The Hunted? With Tommy lee jones and Benico Del Toro. He was a war veteran, that became crazy and lived in the forest...and kills hunters...and the cops are after him, so they get the man that trained him to take him down

 

[Nivek]

They kind of remade First Blood aleady...It was a movie I think called...The Hunted? With Tommy lee jones and Benico Del Toro. He was a war veteran, that became crazy and lived in the forest...and kills hunters...and the cops are after him, so they get the man that trained him to take him down

Yup, I still think that David Morrell should sue whoever commissioned the script for that movie. I liked it, but all I could think watching it was it was a modern take on the First Blood book.

And the war was Kosovo/Bosnia. But Del Toro pretty much was John Rambo, right down to the "cant turn it off" speech.

 

[GNR]

I just watched First Blood,First Blood part 2 and Rambo 3 in a row FOR THE FIRST TIME.

I think my face just melted off.I don't think they've made many any action movies with so much balls ever since.

 

[ANTOINE X]

I don't get people complaining about the dialogue. I have never gone to a Rambo movie looking forward to, or expecting, great dialogue. Pretty weak criticism.

Me neither the dialogue is not that important the bullets are t:

 

[The Dark Defender]

I just watched First Blood,First Blood part 2 and Rambo 3 in a row FOR THE FIRST TIME.

I think my face just melted off.I don't think they've made many any action movies with so much balls ever since.

Indeed, even RAMBO III, by far the weakest of the series, still blows the doors off most action films.

The storyline was fine, simple but effective; and I think the only reason people are bashing the acting in this film is because of pre-conceived notions about how action films are.

 

[GNR]

Indeed, even RAMBO III, by far the weakest of the series, still blows the doors off most action films.

The storyline was fine, simple but effective; and I think the only reason people are bashing the acting in this film is because of pre-conceived notions about how action films are.

The First Blood series was so balls out.The first one was a nice manhunt type movie,and part 2 was probably the most relentless action movie I've ever seen.

After #2,I don't think there any topping it.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I love II, but the new one stomps it into the ground on a visceral and excitement level.

 

[Mr. Crumb]

Rambo III is not terrible, and I like it better than the new one.