Besides the trailer,I never had a problem in understanding his words,its the accent which sounded terrible to me
I loved the accent even. Gave Bane a sort of distinguished, older sound since Hardy's Bane was supposed to be at least twenty years older than Talia.
I never felt that he was doing anything extraordinary.
Broke the Bat, uncovered the Dent lie, brought martial law to Gotham.
Its not the plan that was unintelligent,but how the plan was written.
How did he assume that the whole police force would be sent down into the sewers? What does he even mean by 'Take control of your city' when he is going to blast it anyway? He totally got Ra's al ghul plans upside down,how is it intelligent to blast himself within the city?Why dont they press the trigger and blast it instead of being chased through half of Gotham.It never made sense to leave Bruce Wayne alive and keep him in a place from where he could escape
Nolan's writing of making the villain assume everything. The same happened with Joker and how his plans went flawless and yet no one questions how that happened because we only see Ledger's Joker and not how he's able to get by with so many things and no one apparently notices, lol.
Needless to say, yes, rather intelligent, the plan itself wasn't written truly well, but the most of it makes sense. 'Take control of your city', a fable of Gothamites taking control of their city that never happens where only the criminals push everyone else around.
And...how is Bane getting Ra's al Ghul's plan upside down? Didn't Ra's himself want to sacrifice himself as well?
Plus, seeing as how only Talia escaped that pit in years and years since its creation, I could understand how no one believed Bruce would have escaped the Pit.
It was very lazy writting on Nolan's part,I never expected lazy writting from Nolan of all people
Needless to say,using Batman or Robin as a means of comparison and saying he is better is harldy a complement
Lazy writing? Hah, not the slightest. Rushed? Perhaps, especially if Christopher Nolan had to indeed shorten an original, rumored, 400 page draft.
And "needless to say", comparing Batman & Robin's BANE to TDKR's BANE is a compliment when those are the only two live-action versions of Bane I can compare
Anyone can die from a canon missile but do you expect the main villian to be killed off so quickly and unceremoniously? It totally felt like Nolan wanted to get Bane out of the way to focus on the 'main' villian which was Talia.
Again Lazy writting
Lol, once again, not lazy writing. You're confusing lazy with rush. Bane died quickly, yes, but it wasn't easy and showed what kind of fire power had to kill this monster that was in this film.
And no...Talia was not the 'main' villain. If that's the case, Venom might as well be called the main villain in Spider-Man 3 since the film built up to him.
The way GG died in SM1 was great,the irony of getting killed with his own hands.Same with DocOck,the way he redeemed himself(I will not die a monstor),same with Harry's death in SM3(it was really emotional),even Ra's death was great(I will not kill you,but I dont have to save you).I always want the villian to die epicly
So you enjoyed a death that contradicted Batman's one rule? Pleasant.
There is nothing to suggest anything
Where they lovers? Sibling-like? Partners?
Which is why is used the word 'ambiguous'
And the back story is never explained properly
What do you need help on with the back story? As I said, I can help ya out there
And with Talia calling him a friend, that's all I need to know that they were not lovers, nor could they ever be if Bane could never keep that mask off for a certain amount of time, or would it be odd that someone much older would be in a relationship with Talia when he protected her at a very young age. They were only friends and Talia was Bane's real-life Osito.
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There are a few things I look in a villian and Bane has none of them
Intimidating? No
Genius Plan? No
Great Back story? No
Excellent action sequences? They were Okay
Legacy? No
Great Acting? Again just okay
Intimidating? Yes. Did anyone else break Batman in the series? Has anyone else snapped so many necks throughout the film?
Genius plan? I would think you would say yes since you did say
Its not the plan that was unintelligent
Great back story? Enough of a backstory as much as Selina Kyle to understand where they're coming from that turned Bane from a monster to a real human being during Talia's reveal.
Excellent action sequences? Two very well fight scenes against Batman.
Legacy? Speaking on terms of the film or if he'll be memorable as a villain?
Great acting? Top notch acting.
And the movie would be 5 hours long
Yah, makes sense...not. The filmed scenes that weren't used would have only made up about twenty more minutes.
Agreed. Bane's plan was a horrendous mess. It made no sense. It was just a long drawn out pointless siege where nothing happened in it except a few Cops and rich people got killed. That's it. It was only done to give Bruce time to recover and train himself back up in the pit and then magically get back to Gotham.
Bane could have pulled the trigger on that bomb within 2 weeks and the end result would have been the same.
It's called theatricality. I could say the same that Joker could have blown up the two ships as soon as Batman tried to stop him, but Joker was trying to show off as much as Bane and Talia was.
Was a nice touch to me. I admit that I didn't like it at first but I have no problem with it anymore.
He broke Batman.
I agree here with alot of what you say and I have had the same problem with all of Nolan's films (that I've watched). He relies heavily on chance and luck to the point that it sometimes feels ridiculous and far fetched. All of that to make everything seem smarter than it is and epic. Alot of what Joker managed to do looked clever but was very much based on luck. It's not a huge issue I have because sometimes you have to go that route to make it flow nicely and feel epic, but it doesn't always work for me.
The "Take control of your city" was connected to the longer speech outside the Blackgate Prison. He means that the ordinary citiziens should take back the city from the rich and corrupt. It was all part of this whole "revolution" agenda he used to give the people false hope.
Bane wanted Gotham to die a slow death. Like he said to Bruce in the prison: he's a torturer of the soul. It's worse to die slowly and painful than quickly. However I must admit that it felt too much like an easy way for the writers to give Bruce all this time to build up himself. It didn't feel natural. It's very much like that typical stereotype villain who, when it seems like he has the upper hand against the hero, starts to unnecessarily brag about his whole plan, instead of just giving the final blow and be done with it, just long enough to let the hero come up with a way to defeat him.
So I understand why it feels lazy to some and I might say too that it felt a little lazy. But it still worked fine to me.
I also like when villains have memorable deaths but it made alot of sense how Nolan chose to kill Bane. Actually, I really like his death because it showed that no one, not even the biggest and baddest, is immortal. I felt there was alot of thought put into his death, no matter how simple and "easy" it looked.
He's one of the most intimidating CBM villains out there. His whole presence was badass.
Genius plan? Well, up until he decided to let Gotham breathe for 5 months it was pretty genious.
Great back story? I actually loved the backstory and how it was a mystery until the very end.
Action was much improved in TDKR I'd say. But the action shouldn't be anywhere near Spider-Man for example because they are so different. It's not possible to have the same spectacular action.
I don't know what you mean with legacy. It probably won't have the same impact as TDK but that's because it follows in the same vein already. But it will be remembered as one of the few good final film in a trilogy, that makes the trilogy as a whole one of the first great ones.
Agree with all of this
I mentioned that Gordon's final speech in TDK felt like he was pulling words out of a hat. It just didn't feel real. It sounded cool, but it was utterly ridiculous. With Nolan, everything is overly poetic or overanalyzed. He is without a doubt a fantastic filmmaker, but the dialogue in his movies get really annoying. Too much about Batman or Gotham being a symbol, too.
The trilogy is definitely supposed to be this poetic act if you listen to really, all the dialogue throughout the trilogy so I don't see how the TDK speech gets the most hate. It doesn't come off as natural as films like Avengers and TAS-M, but the TDK speech is written that way as a reason.
