Rate and Discuss the Transformation!

[BIGGUN]

i hope its at least 5x...thats the number of times Blaze changed into GR in Goyer's script. they may even start the film off w/ Blaze already cursed w/ GR...and they explain his history in flashbacks. that was the original intent in Goyer's version...his script also introduced the character much like he did w/ Blade near the start of the movie.

 

[FlameHead]

Hmm... I like that idea. That would guarantee us seeing Ghost Rider more than anything else. That is what I'm going to the movie to see afterall.

I wouldn't completly hate a full origin story though. I wouldn't mind things happening in real time, instead of flashbacks.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I didn't want to open a new thread for this idea so i thought i'd stick it here as it seems to kinda fit the topic.I was thinking about the Flame CGI needed for GR and his bike and as we all know realistic CGI fire is one of the hardest things to achieve,so after seeing the impressive Torch CGI in the FF footage i was wondering do you think it would be a good idea to hire the FF VFX guys for GR?

 

[FlameHead]

... I'll comment on that soon. Just wanted to say that you could have created a new thread for that. It is a new topic afterall.

 

[Hunter Rider]

... I'll comment on that soon. Just wanted to say that you could have created a new thread for that. It is a new topic afterall.

I would have but i(deservedly) got flamed for starting to many threads on the marvel board and as you'll see i already have a few on the GR board so i thought i would play it safe and stick it in here.Anyway look forward to hearing your thoughts on GR's CGI

 

[FlameHead]

I started one for you anyway...
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147026

 

[Hunter Rider]

I started one for you anyway...
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147026

Cool

 

[FlameHead]

Question; Is melting flesh PG 13 or R?

 

[BIGGUN]

w/ the right cuts i think they can get away w/ it in a pg 13 as its been done in other sci fi/ horror films like Poltergeist and Raider of the Lost Ark.
its funny how the MPAA works....for some films if you have just a few extra seconds of blood or violence it gets an R.
as long as they dont have the melting scene go on for a good 10 min straight w/ Cage 1st looking like a burn victim, screaming bloody murder and then have his eyeballs fall out and melt on the floor ...they should be ok

 

[FlameHead]

LOL. I pictured that shot being done much like Large Marge in Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Made me laugh.

You're right though. It's all about how it's done.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I know this is completley off-topic(somewhat). But, I had a dream that I transformed into the Ghost Rider last night.

I just remember transforming into the Ghost Rider and then becoming a vigilante of the night. I fought crime, I destroyed a husband who abused his wife and kids, and scared the hell out of thugs. But I woke up and I wasn't the Ghost Rider anymore.

 

[BIGGUN]

I know this is completley off-topic(somewhat). But, I had a dream that I transformed into the Ghost Rider last night.

I just remember transforming into the Ghost Rider and then becoming a vigilante of the night. I fought crime, I destroyed a husband who abused his wife and kids, and scared the hell out of thugs. But I woke up and I wasn't the Ghost Rider anymore.

you mean you only had ONE dream where you changed into GR? man im already on my 102nd! get w/ the program!! heh

but seriously i have had a couple of dreams that had GR in them...dont think they were "good" ones though. they were rather nightmarish (which there have been some which were cool! ) as from what little i can remember i had done something i felt guilty for and GR was coming after me. remember one dream where he was breaking down the door to my parent's house trying to get to me. it was freaky...but in a cool horror movie type of way.

hopefully once the video game comes out, players will get their wish and be able to change into GR at will. anyway i rather be able to do in a game than real life....im really not a big fan of having my flesh melt off my bones

 

[LastSunrise1981]

you mean you only had ONE dream where you changed into GR? man im already on my 102nd! get w/ the program!! heh

but seriously i have had a couple of dreams that had GR in them...dont think they were "good" ones though. they were rather nightmarish (which there have been some which were cool! ) as from what little i can remember i had done something i felt guilty for and GR was coming after me. remember one dream where he was breaking down the door to my parent's house trying to get to me. it was freaky...but in a cool horror movie type of way.

hopefully once the video game comes out, players will get their wish and be able to change into GR at will. anyway i rather be able to do in a game than real life....im really not a big fan of having my flesh melt off my bones

To be completley honest, I don't remember any pain when I changed into GR. I just remember it happening quick and I was on a rampage.

But you're right, I wouldn't be fond of having my flesh melt off my bones either. Then when you think about it, your flesh goes back to normal afterwards.

I just remember(In the dream) staring into the mirror in my bathroom, my wife was sleeping and I just happened to look back into the mirror and I was the Ghost Rider. I rode on the motorcycle and was terrorizing thugs, wife beaters, rednecks, and so forth.

 

[Crowley9]

At least with Dan Ketch I remember the transformation being described lasting only a heartbeat but feeling like an eternity.

 

[FlameHead]

And that's exactly how it is. They usually slow down the act for us in the comic though. At least once in every book.

If I remembered any of my dreams, I'm sure most of them would be about Ghost Rider. Even the wet ones. Ha.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

And that's exactly how it is. They usually slow down the act for us in the comic though. At least once in every book.

If I remembered any of my dreams, I'm sure most of them would be about Ghost Rider. Even the wet ones. Ha.

LOL what the hell? wet ones involved GR?

 

[jaguarr]

To be completley honest, I don't remember any pain when I changed into GR. I just remember it happening quick and I was on a rampage.

But you're right, I wouldn't be fond of having my flesh melt off my bones either. Then when you think about it, your flesh goes back to normal afterwards.

I just remember(In the dream) staring into the mirror in my bathroom, my wife was sleeping and I just happened to look back into the mirror and I was the Ghost Rider. I rode on the motorcycle and was terrorizing thugs, wife beaters, rednecks, and so forth.

You sound like someone who missed a lithium dose.

jag

 

[Hypestyle]

we'll see...

 

[LastSunrise1981]

You sound like someone who missed a lithium dose.

jag

Man, I've missed so many lithium doses it's unbelievable.

 

[jaguarr]

Man, I've missed so many lithium doses it's unbelievable.

Heh!

jag

 

[FlameHead]

How do you think they'll make Ghost Rider's clothes appear?

 

[FlameHead]

Figured I'd add this pic to the thread... in case some people missed it. I also wanted to bump some of the more interesting threads to the top.

I think there's another one around somewhere. I couldn't find it in my initial search

 

[Uncanny Orb]

I think it should be slow and agonizing the first time so the audience see's what Blaze has gotten himself into. I'm curious to see if it will be a nightly transformation as in the early GR books or if something will trigger it. if it is a triggered transformation a sudden "WOOF" of flames and there stands Ghost Rider could be an awesome effect.

 

[BIGGUN]

I think it should be slow and agonizing the first time so the audience see's what Blaze has gotten himself into. I'm curious to see if it will be a nightly transformation as in the early GR books or if something will trigger it. if it is a triggered transformation a sudden "WOOF" of flames and there stands Ghost Rider could be an awesome effect.

Yup..FlameHead and I were talking about this fact sometime ago. his 1st change into GR would need to painfull in order to show the audience what he goes through everytime he changes. after that they can be really quick like the idea that you posted. ive always thought it would be cool to see Blaze riding the highway at night and then his bike explodes into a large fireball w/ GR racing out it w/ trailing hellfire behind him.

 

[FlameHead]

There's definatly a lot of opportunity to do different things in the movie... depending on how many times we're actually going to see Ghost Rider. I definatly want to see a slow painful transformation, at least once. After that, they can speed it up to a big ball of flames if they want.

They'll probably use the slow painful transformation for young blaze, as he's new to having the demon inside. When Blaze is older and used to the power, he won't be fighting it... and it can happen quick. Though, I'm not sure if they're gonna get into the fighting of the inner demon.

The scene you describe BG, with Blaze on his bike burstin' into flames is a definatly vivid sounding one... and I think it should definatly be in it. Like, Blaze and Ghost Rider come to the same conclusion at some point; that they need to kill Blackheart (or something) and as quick as that the demon is released and on his way to achieving just that...