Rate and Discuss the Transformation!

[crystal_flame6]

I think that most, if not all, of us on the boards will be disapointed if there is not at least one slow transformation to get across how painful the change is no matter how fast it happens in real time. I would find it kind of funny if GR is pissed at JB and gives JB a bad sunburn to show it.

What happens to all of his clothes, they just change into what GR wears (Spikes explode out of body and clothes, JB's clothes burn and GR's form)? Judging by the pictures on the IGR website, the Dan/GR cares for the innocents that are still alive when he is threw with their tormentors and possible for Dan's safety and the JB/GR doesn't really care? Could you clearify these for me, please?

 

[not_a_victim]

Thanks for the compliments on the sloughing idea.
If Lucas can get away with Anakin Skywalker basically bursting into flames, then show the carnage aftereffects, and still get a pg-13, then it stands to reason that throwing a little burned flesh from his skull would be acceptable.
Heck, do we even know if the producers are shooting for a PG-13? this would seem like a great opportunity to actually put an R rated Superhero movieon the screen.

 

[BIGGUN]

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Heck, do we even know if the producers are shooting for a PG-13? this would seem like a great opportunity to actually put an R rated Superhero movieon the screen.

Yup...this was the goal for GR and why Goyer and Norrington left the project a few years ago.
but keep this in mind ....MSJ's original Daredevil was given an R rating and had to be cut down for PG13. im hoping that Mark might push the gore and violence envelope in a few scenes and give us a director's cut later like what happened to DD (and a lot of other movies nowadays). i for one wouldnt mind that one bit...

 

[Batmun]

They could make the transformation less gruesome. For example, you would see the skin on his face start to melt as flames engulf his body. Then as the flames around his body clears, Ghost Rider emerges. This could be a good way to try and keep it PG-13

 

[crystal_flame6]

I think that they will have JB throw his hands up and cover his face as the transformation starts the first time. You would be able to see his hands melt and the fire come threw. Then he would probably be covered in flames which would disappear after the transformation is done. I want to see at least two transformations in the film though, a slow one and one in "real time".

 

[FlameHead]

I think that most, if not all, of us on the boards will be disapointed if there is not at least one slow transformation to get across how painful the change is no matter how fast it happens in real time. I would find it kind of funny if GR is pissed at JB and gives JB a bad sunburn to show it.

What happens to all of his clothes, they just change into what GR wears (Spikes explode out of body and clothes, JB's clothes burn and GR's form)? Judging by the pictures on the IGR website, the Dan/GR cares for the innocents that are still alive when he is threw with their tormentors and possible for Dan's safety and the JB/GR doesn't really care? Could you clearify these for me, please?

Hmmm... as you probably know, I answered those few questions in another thread. If you need further info, just let us know.

As for the transformation, I know I for one will be quite dissapointed if I don't get a slow change, at least once. Grusome or not, I think it has to be slowed down to see the struggle, the pain.

 

[crystal_flame6]

the struggle could also play a part in the movie, showing the dark side of the character as well. Showing, not only does he torture the sinners, but his host as well and how much his host loths him.

 

[Hunter Rider]

thought this was interesting form the LR interview with MSJ as it relates to this topic

How brutal is it then?

Mark Steven Johnson: How brutal is it? Pretty brutal, if you see a guys face burn off into a skull it’s pretty brutal, that’s pretty intense stuff. The fights are pretty intense. I mean it’s hard core fighting stuff but it’s also somewhere in the realm of fantasy so you’re not going to see blood and guts of people but you are going to see a lot of intense action in the film.​

 

[Mr Nick]

'One thing you have to say about Nic he does everything 100% he never goes half way, he goes for it. So these scenes where he’s changing and screaming, it’s difficult to watch cause he commits himself so holy to the role. That’s I think the biggest thing, the level of commitment doesn’t give a **** what he looks like, doesn’t care, doesn’t worry about vanity none of that. He just goes for it and commits himself to it.'

- Also from the Latino Review interview with Mark Steven Johnson.

Sounds painful and furious!! Hurrah for Nic Cage!

 

[BIGGUN]

good to hear...

 

[crystal_flame6]

Does anyone have a way to fast forward to the future so we can SEE this film!? I can't wait to see this movie!

 

[FlameHead]

Finally... my fears have been alieviated. Sounds like this transformation is gonna be everything we want it to be. Brutal pain... and Nic is goin' for it. That's freakin' awesome. Would be neat to see some images of this on ET tonight.

I truly think MSJ is going to give us the movie we're waiting for. The story may alter a little but the imagery will be ever present.

 

[FlameHead]

I was readin' one of fireface's comics tonight (of course) and realized that the tranformation into Ghost Rider only one side of the change, only one thing the special effects team have to worry about. The other side is the change back into Blaze. How are they going to make the fire replace itself with flesh? Is it going to just be a reverse of what we see happening from Blaze to Ghost Rider? This can't be an easy thing to do.

 

[Mr Nick]

That's a very good question. Hulk was easy compared to this (Banner gets big - Banner gets small). Hmm. Maybe all his hellfire rockets back into his eyes, reconstituting him - muscle, veins, skin. Something like Hollow Man, but faster.

 

[FlameHead]

Something like Hollow man would definatly work... and I'm hoping that at least once, it's at that speed. I mean, they can do it in a flash most of the times but I really think they need to show how painful this transformation is and do that, it needs to be slow.

 

[Punitore]

I noticed in the scene where Mephisto is talking to him, first transormation scene i think, he doesn't wear gloves, does it mean we will see his flaming skeletal hands? ..how do you see those black jeans?
I was thinking that we won't see Ghost Rider like he's shown in the teaser poster until the last part of the movie.

 

[Mr Nick]

According to Mark Steven Johnson, we will get to see skeletal hands. This is from his interview with JoBlo:

How close will the outfits in the movie match the costumes from the comic?


MSJ: It’s great. This time I actually have a hero who’s supposed to be in leather, so I’ve got that going for me (laughs). He changes throughout the movie. I know some fans have seen some shots and are like, “Why the spikes are so small?” It’s because he changes his look throughout the movie. Obviously, he doesn’t know what’s going to happen the first time. He’s just wearing his Johnny Blaze outfit. He has no gloves on, so he’s got skeleton hands. He’s got black jeans, a black leather coat and motorcycle boots. The second time, when he breaks out of the jail – and I don’t want to give too much away here - his coat gets ripped, and he upgrades basically to an inmate’s coat that has little studs. The idea is that hellfire affects metal in a certain way. So when hellfire hits a motorcycle, it turns into the Hellcycle; when it hits a shotgun, it turns into a hellfire shotgun; and when it hits the studs in your coat, they pop into these spikes. It’s really cool, and actually worked really well within the outfit. So, he does have the three-inch spikes, the big chain, and all that ****.

 

[Crowley9]

Thinking about Ghost Rider's transformation reminds me of the ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark, specifically the Gestapo man whose face melts off. *checks IMDB* That movie was rated PG? What the hell?

 

[Mr Nick]

Yeah, it's amazing what leeway they give Spielberg, isn't it? I still can't get over Jaws. It's only a 12. I'm 31 and I still find it hard to watch Quint's death.

 

[Hellcycle2000]

it be cool if one of his changes is like a shapeshifter, or while on the bike, he phases into ghostrider

 

[FlameHead]

According to Mark Steven Johnson, we will get to see skeletal hands. This is from his interview with JoBlo:

How close will the outfits in the movie match the costumes from the comic?


MSJ: It’s great. This time I actually have a hero who’s supposed to be in leather, so I’ve got that going for me (laughs). He changes throughout the movie. I know some fans have seen some shots and are like, “Why the spikes are so small?” It’s because he changes his look throughout the movie. Obviously, he doesn’t know what’s going to happen the first time. He’s just wearing his Johnny Blaze outfit. He has no gloves on, so he’s got skeleton hands. He’s got black jeans, a black leather coat and motorcycle boots. The second time, when he breaks out of the jail – and I don’t want to give too much away here - his coat gets ripped, and he upgrades basically to an inmate’s coat that has little studs. The idea is that hellfire affects metal in a certain way. So when hellfire hits a motorcycle, it turns into the Hellcycle; when it hits a shotgun, it turns into a hellfire shotgun; and when it hits the studs in your coat, they pop into these spikes. It’s really cool, and actually worked really well within the outfit. So, he does have the three-inch spikes, the big chain, and all that ****.

Yeah, I was pretty pumped when I read that for the first time. I really like Mark's ideas so far.

As for the gloveless hands, I hope he takes them off at some point and pummels one of the baddies to the ground with them... like he does to Blackheart in the Hearts of Darkness Graphic Novel.

Thinking about Ghost Rider's transformation reminds me of the ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark, specifically the Gestapo man whose face melts off. *checks IMDB* That movie was rated PG? What the hell?

That's exactly why I have no fear in this movie being PG-13. There's a lot you can do with those limatations.

 

[Uncanny Orb]

I guess there will be a transformation scene for the bike as well, I hope it happens with a blast of hellfire and not just by touch.

 

[FlameHead]

It could happen severel different ways throughout the movie but, I agree, I'd like to see a hellfire blast change the bike inot the hellcycle.

 

[trentoid]

Ghost Rider,

Firstly not only does his face get completely burnt off, in the trailer he is smiling when this is happening.

Surely he must be in agonising pain!?

Also, once he finishes "tranforming" into the Ghost Rider, how does he get his face back?

And

When your face is on fire, im pretty certain there is a lack of oxygen making it very difficult to breathe.

Meh just some very unrealistic things i picked up on.

 

[Mr Nick]

I take it you mean the "Let's ride" bit. Yeah, that's the one bit that I don't like in the trailer. However, I reckon that comes much later in the film, presumably after Johnny has undergone the transformation a few times and the story has led to him accepting his curse.

The earlier bit where he's grabbing his head and screaming in pain looks like a pretty painful transformation sequence. I'm sure the first time will be extremely painful (well, as painful as a PG-13 rating will allow). Many of us have voiced our desire for Johnny to be in agony the first time and I don't think Mark Steven Johnson will let us down.

As for getting his face back. Good question. I'm sure someone like GR Uber-Guru Flamehead might be able to post a pic from the comics of that, if you ask him nicely!