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So what does syndication actually mean financially to a TV show?

Tom Welling said in that Zap2it interview that after episode 100 they dont receive revenue any more. Or something like that. I guess he wasnt taking into account advertising revune.
 
It's nice to get some love from the mainstream press from time to time.
Case in point? Robert Bianco's daily "What to Watch" article at USA Today:

What to watch Thursday
• Lex Luthor goes the Scrooge route on a special Christmas Carol-themed Smallville (WB, Thursday, 8 ET/PT, as a coma-induced visit from his late mother shows him what his life would be like if he chose good over evil. Choose carefully, Lex. Sure, good gets you a wife and kids, but evil gets you into the comic books.

And this kicker:

• Sight unseen, Smallville is probably a better bet than Joey (NBC, 8 ET/PT), which these days falls into the category of "Forgotten but not gone." Not yet, at least
 
RakuMon said:
It's nice to get some love from the mainstream press from time to time.
Case in point? Robert Bianco's daily "What to Watch" article at USA Today:

What to watch Thursday
• Lex Luthor goes the Scrooge route on a special Christmas Carol-themed Smallville (WB, Thursday, 8 ET/PT, as a coma-induced visit from his late mother shows him what his life would be like if he chose good over evil. Choose carefully, Lex. Sure, good gets you a wife and kids, but evil gets you into the comic books.

And this kicker:

• Sight unseen, Smallville is probably a better bet than Joey (NBC, 8 ET/PT), which these days falls into the category of "Forgotten but not gone." Not yet, at least
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I read over at DTS that there are several media outlets giving Smallville their picks for the night. So that's great news. Apparently this episode is a must watch as it makes a big turning point in the series.
 
It is an episode like this that would hook new watcher's I would think. I hope the ratings do really well for this one.:up: :)
 
Here ya go.
Primetime Thursday Ratings:
CBS Roars to the Winning Finish Line

Thursday 12/08/05

Note: The following results exclude the Miami and West Palm Beach markets.

Household Rating/Share
CBS: 14.8/22, NBC: 9.0/13, ABC: 4.1/ 6, WB: 3.6/ 5, Fox: 3.3/ 5, UPN: 2.4/ 4

-Percent Change From the Comparable Year-Ago Evening (Thursday 12/09/04):
WB: +71, ABC: + 5, CBS: - 3, Fox: -17, NBC: -26, UPN: -40

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Fast Affiliate Ratings

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 24.22 million, NBC: 11.70, ABC: 5.79, Fox: 4.80, WB: 4.54, UPN: 2.74

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 8.2/21, NBC: 5.0/13, Fox: 2.2/ 5, ABC and WB: 1.9/ 5 each, UPN: 1.1/ 3

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: Guatemala (CBS), Smallville (WB), CSI (CBS), Everwood (WB), Without A Trace (CBS)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Joey (NBC), Movie: Head of State (ABC), Reunion (Fox), Primetime Thursday (ABC)

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-And Then There Were 4 on Survivor: Guatemala:
SPOILER ALERT…If you did not see the latest episode of Survivor: Guatemala and don’t want to know who was voted off stop reading. The curse of the winning car continued, with new Pontiac Torrent owner Cindy the 14th person shown the door on Survivor: Guatemala. That leaves immunity winner Stephenie, good guy Rafe, foxy Danni, and Lydia, the least deserving contestant to be in the final four since Trooper Lill on Survivor: Pearl Islands. Although I was rooting for returnee Stephenie from day one, signs of recent poor sportsmanship have sent me over to Rafe’s camp, who has an advantage because he has burned fewer people. Turning her back on too many of her teammates will probably cost Steph.

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-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS stood head and shoulders above the Thursday competition, as usual, courtesy of Survivor: Guatemala (Overnights: #1, 11.3/17; Viewers: #1, 20.38 million; A18-49: #1, 7.1/19), CSI (Overnights: #1, 19.0/27; Viewers: #1, 30.80 million; A18-49: #1, 7.1/19) and Without A Trace (Overnights: #1, 14.2/21; Viewers: #1, 21.48 million; A18-49: #1, 6.9/18). Comparably, CBS’ advantage over distant No. 2 NBC was a significant 64 percent in the overnights, 12.52 million viewers and 64 percent among adults 18-49. Remember when NBC used to own this night?

As a reminder, total viewers and adults 18-49 are based on the fast affiliate ratings.

NBC’s soon-to-be benched Joey kicked off with a typically lackluster (and distant second-place) 6.1/ 9 in the overnights, 7.88 million viewers and a 3.2/ 9 among adults 18-49 at 8 p.m.; followed by veteran Will & Grace at an also modest (and second-place) 7.1/10 in the overnights, 8.84 million viewers and a 3.8/10 among adults 18-49. At 9 p.m., the-next-to-last episode of this season’s The Apprentice scored a typically depressed (and distant second-place) 8.8/13 in the overnights, 11.34 million viewers and a 5.0/12 among adults 18-49. As a benchmark to see how far The Apprentice has fallen, the comparable year-ago telecast averaged a considerably heftier 13.9/19 in the overnights, with 15.99 million viewers and a 7.6/18 among adults 18-49 based on the final nationals. Ironic, isn’ it, how Joe Piscopo conveniently managed not to be available at the last minute last night on The Apprentice?

At 10 p.m., ER capped off the evening for NBC with a second-place finish in the overnights (11.5/17), total viewers (15.40 million) and adults 18-49 (6.6/16).

The WB remained the most improved network on Thursday thanks to its relocated combination of Smallville (Overnights: #3t, 4.0/ 6; Viewers: #5, 5.24 million; A18-49: #4, 2.3/ 6) and Everwood (Overnights: #4, 3.2/ 5; Viewers: #4, 3.84 million; A18-49: #5, 1.5/ 4). Smallville finished No. 2 in the 8 p.m. hour in both men 18-34 (2.8/ 9) and men 12-34 (2.6/ 8), while building demographically by as much as 189 percent over the year-ago time period. Gains for Everwood were equally impressive, with growth of as much as 167 percent (among adults 18-34 and persons 12-34).

Over at soon-to-be revamped ABC, theatrical Head of State was not head of the ratings with a paltry 3.8/ 6 in the overnights (#3), 5.51 million viewers (#3 overall) and a 1.8/ 4 among adults 18-49 (#4 overall) from 8-10 p.m. That led into Primetime Live at a typically last-place 4.8/ 7 in the overnights, 6.36 million viewers and a 2.2/ 6 among adults 18-49 at 10 p.m.

It was Thursday business as usual, meanwhile, on Fox with once water-cooler worthy drama The O.C. (Overnights: #3t, 4.0/ 6; Viewers: #4, 5.80 million; A18-49: #3, 2.7/ 7) and the canceled Reunion (Overnights: #5, 2.6/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.79 million; A18-49: #4, 1.7/ 4). Does anyone even care about The O.C. anymore?

Last in every half hour were repeats of UPN sitcoms Everybody Hates Chris (Overnights: 3.8/ 6; Viewers: 4.27 million; A18-49: 1.6/ 4), Love, Inc. (Overnights: 2.4/ 4; Viewers: 2.61 million; A18-49: 1.0/ 3), Eve (Overnights: 1.9/ 3; Viewers: 2.25 million; A18-49: 0.9/ 2) and Cuts (Overnights: 1.6/ 2; Viewers: 1.84 million; A18-49: 0.7/ 2).

Source: Nielsen Media Research data
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That's good news, it's a winner baby. *does an irish jig*

BTW, does this episode seem like it slipped a little in ratings? or am I just paranoid?
 
Brainiac 8 said:
That's good news, it's a winner baby. *does an irish jig*

BTW, does this episode seem like it slipped a little in ratings? or am I just paranoid?
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I think the overall viewership may have been down slightly, so that could be across the board. I dont really pay much attention to the other shows. However, its ratings ratio was right on.
 
Wow... Did I read that right? Tied for third with The OC for the overnights?


Cool beans. :D :up:
 
OUCH!!! No mention of SV specifically, but the big picture aint good kids...

LA Times
12/10/05

WB Network Cuts Jobs as It Faces Losses, Falling Ratings
By Meg James, Times Staff Writer

The ratings-starved WB television network gave pink slips Friday to nearly two dozen employees, bringing to about 40 the number of people at the network who have lost their jobs during the last month.

The layoffs come at an uncertain time for the 11-year-old Burbank-based network. The WB has said it will lose about $35 million this year. Its partners — Time Warner Inc., which owns 78%, and Tribune Co., which owns the remaining 22% — have not reached a long-term agreement to replace the deal expiring next fall.

In addition, the WB's ratings are down 12% this season compared with a year ago in its target demographic of viewers 18 to 34 years old.

WB executives said the layoffs were part of a broader effort to trim expenses for all of Warner Bros.' operations. Last month, Warner Bros. confirmed that it had eliminated about 300 jobs, in part because of slowing growth in DVD sales and a softening TV syndication market.

Executives said the WB action was not a commentary on the network's long-term prospects. Much of the job cuts came in marketing and the Kids' WB! children's programming unit.

The WB would not specify exactly how many jobs were lost. After the cuts, it is expected to employ 220 to 240 people.

In an e-mail to employees, WB Chairman Garth Ancier described the layoffs as "painful and heartbreaking."

"Some months ago, The WB — like every other division of Warner Bros. — was asked to do a top-to-bottom analysis of our business," Ancier wrote. "The objective, in our constantly changing media marketplace, was to attempt to harness the opportunities provided by new technologies and distribution platforms, while managing our costs."

Time Warner executives maintain that the WB remains strategically important because it provides an alternative outlet to networks owned by competitors for Warner Bros.-produced shows.

Chicago-based Tribune, owner of the Los Angeles Times, also has said it remains committed to the WB. The two companies this year agreed to a one-year contract extension that expires in September 2006.

The job cuts follow the disappointing launch of several new shows.

The WB spent millions of dollars promoting "Supernatural" and "Related," but neither has emerged as a hit. The drama "Just Legal" starring Don Johnson flopped.

To save costs, the WB last month trimmed its orders for episodes of established shows, including "What I Like About You" and "One Tree Hill."

Broadcast networks and TV stations face additional challenges as consumers turn to the Internet, iPods, video games and cable channels for their news and entertainment.

Advertisers this year shifted dollars from the networks to other media such as the Internet. Further clouding the outlook for TV is the increasing use of digital video recorders, which allow users to zip through commercials.

Separately, CBS executives on Friday confirmed that about 25 employees of its Spelling Television unit were being laid off. Spelling Television has two shows on the WB network, "Charmed" and "7th Heaven."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/valley/la-fi-wb10dec10,1,4026495.story?coll=la-editions-valley​
 
all the more reason for them to be backing SV and GG their two most successful shows. Outside of the two shows pretty much everything else on the Net is dreck.

Notice how the cuts were in their children's programming area too.
 
That's too bad. You don't think they'd axe the network completly?

Hulk, exactly on your point about SV and GG.
 
LarryLegend said:
That's too bad. You don't think they'd axe the network completly?
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Some folks on UseNet have been speculating exactly that.

Hulk, exactly on your point about SV and GG.
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Indeed, I agree as well, but the contract goes till 9/06, which means we *might* only get one more season. I was kinda hoping for two. Yeah, I'm greedy. Shoot me. ;)
 
Yeah, I'd take one but prefer two.

Then again 40 people isn't that much. It may be more off a cutting costs across the board business move.
 
AgentPat said:
Some folks on UseNet have been speculating exactly that.
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UPN has even fewer viewers, why would The WB tank when UPN is still afloat?
 
Even if the Net folded and that's a BIG IF, since my contacts at the affiliate here have mentioned nothing about it, some of the stronger shows would get picked up elsewhere.
 
I'm surprised that the WB doesn't consider "Supernatural" a hit. I thought that show was doing well in the ratings.

As for the network itself, I can't even imagine it folding. That seems so drastic, when probably they are only making cuts at the end of the year as all companies unfortunately seem to do.
 
The Incredible Hulk said:
Even if the Net folded and that's a BIG IF, since my contacts at the affiliate here have mentioned nothing about it, some of the stronger shows would get picked up elsewhere.
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I agree, I'm sure certain shows would be picked up by someone else if WB closed their doors. But you never know, it could mean that we do only get one more season of Smallville instead of seven like we thought we would.:(
 
triplet said:
UPN has even fewer viewers, why would The WB tank when UPN is still afloat?
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One of the opinions speculated is ownership. UPN is under CBS/Viacom, which is doing relatively well. Warners, on the other hand, always seems to be on the look-out for their next big meal. UPN has also shown better improvement this year over The WB, which despite the ratings' success of shows like SV and GG, is in the red in overall viewership compared to last year.

The thread can be read on UseNet here:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/browse_thread/thread/c2e64b007f945727/

Posters got side-tracked a bit with HDTV, but the thread is worth a scan.
 
The Incredible Hulk said:
People still use Usenet? :eek: Damn I used that like back in 1994 when I was in college...
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Hee! Well, I *call* it "UseNet" 'cause I used it too. I don't think it's called that anymore though. I still call forums like this "BBS" too. Is that term even used anymore? :p
 
All this gloom and doom. How about some good news?

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Elsewhere, the WB remains the most improved network on Thursday courtesy of Smallville (Viewers: #5, 5.37 million; A18-49: #5, 2.3/ 6) and Everwood (Viewers: #4, 3.91 million; A18-49: #5, 1.5/ 4), while ABC and NBC had better hope their revamped midseason line-ups fuel some audience interest. Comparatively, the two WB shows combined posted gains of as much as 200 percent over the comparable year-ago week in adults 18-34 (2.1/ 6) and persons 12-34 (2.1/ 6), while ranking No. 3 for the evening in men 18-34 (2.0/6), men 12-34 (1.9/6) and men 18-49 (1.7/5).

What follows are the final national ratings for Thursday, Dec. 8:

-Households:
CBS: 14.8/23, NBC: 7.6/12, ABC: 3.8/ 6, Fox and WB: 3.0/ 5 each, UPN: 1.9/ 3

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 24.36 million, NBC: 11.65, ABC: 5.70, Fox: 4.85, WB: 4.64, UPN: 2.80

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 8.2/21, NBC: 5.0/12, Fox: 2.2/ 5, ABC and WB: 1.9/ 5 each, UPN: 1.1/ 3

Source: Nielsen Media Research data
 
AgentPat said:
Hee! Well, I *call* it "UseNet" 'cause I used it too. I don't think it's called that anymore though. I still call forums like this "BBS" too. Is that term even used anymore? :p
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Hey! I still belong to a couple of usenet/newsgroups. They're still alive and well. :)
 
I thought I'd post some happy news too. I know what she says isnt gospel, but she does have a grasp on things.

From Kristen at Eonline!

More good news: Sources tell me Supernatural and Smallville are definitely going at least another season, and might even share a night together next year. I'll waste away in Supernaturalville anytime, baby.
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http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Archive2005/051209.html
 
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