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KikiDee said:
Have you been victimized by DTS? I never post over there so I guess that's a good thing. I never knew nuns were into Smallville.:)

LOL! :D

No I dont post there much. They dont mind people calling Al & Miless ****holes, but they get on your back when you post back to back. :rolleyes:
 
avidreader said:
Didnt the actual Pilot rate at about 8.5 million?

I thought the 6,000,000 was fabo too.
Oh, it IS fabo LOL. My last post wasn't in reference to the ratings from last week, just a comment in general. I've seen charts posted on other sites where they try to downgrade the ratings this year by comparing them to the Pilot, Rosetta, Lineage, etc. But the comparisons aren't as valid any more due to the increase in programming options. ALL shows have seen dips in their ratings performance. That said, SV is doing considerably well for a show in its 5th season, up against some VERY heavy competition.
 
avidreader said:
LOL! :D

No I dont post there much. They dont mind people calling Al & Miless ****holes, but they get on your back when you post back to back.
Folks at K-Site routinely bash G&M too. If it wasn't for G&M, there wouldn't BE a Smallville, so it's kind of aggravating. Actually, it's VERY annoying. :mad: But yeah, DTS has a bug up its behind about posting back to back - like I just did here. I don't know what the big freakin' deal is. You'd think if they were trying to save server space on their end, they'd disable image links in the footers or something more logical like that, but whatever. I don't post there that much, so it doesn't bother me.
 
AgentPat said:
Oh, it IS fabo LOL. My last post wasn't in reference to the ratings from last week, just a comment in general. I've seen charts posted on other sites where they try to downgrade the ratings this year by comparing them to the Pilot, Rosetta, Lineage, etc. But the comparisons aren't as valid any more due to the increase in programming options. ALL shows have seen dips in their ratings performance. That said, SV is doing considerably well for a show in its 5th season, up against some VERY heavy competition.

I understood the point you were making and as you've said, despite the programming options, Smallville is still doing very, very well. :up:

But yeah, DTS has a bug up its behind about posting back to back - like I just did here.

I did it above too. Just to be silly. :p
 
I admit to back-to-back posting on occasion too. The problem with adding to an already made post is that if they thread is moving quickly, your edit is never seen, therefore pointless. Who doubles back to see if anyone added on to their previously made posts?

Sometimes it's just laziness though. My earliest online community experience was on Usenet, where there is absolutely NO moderation. So, while I do like a bit of moderation to keep the extremes under control, I don't care for a really heavy-handed environment.
 
:up:

I hate that it's so heavy handed over there...
 
Hmm... Interesting. Competition on the horizon? From FOX again, no less. *sigh*


New York Daily News
2/23/06

Another net for Ch. 9? My!
Parent firm fills gap left by UPN
By PHYLLIS FURMAN

Greed, lust, murder, mobsters, sexy babes and buff guys are coming to WWOR/Ch. 9.

Goodbye UPN, hello My Network TV - a new broadcast network, owned by media giant News Corp., that will fill the slot left open a month ago when UPN and WB merged to create the CW network.

Starting on Sept. 5, WWOR - to be dubbed My9NY - as well as nine other ex-UPN affiliates owned by News Corp. will launch two hour-long prime-time dramas, "Desire" and "Secrets."

Both are packed with soap-opera plot lines and runway-ready young stars, many of whom were on hand yesterday at a press conference at the W Hotel.

"Desire" chronicles two brothers on the run from the Mafia, while "Secrets" probes the guilty pleasures of beautiful people in the fashion biz.

Taking a page from the successful telenovela format, the shows will be "stripped," meaning episodes will run back to back five nights a week.

Other My Network TV programs in the works include "Celebrity Love Island" about six celebs thrown together with six regular Joes on an island; "On Scene," a crime show from News Corp.'s Fox News Channel, and "Catwalk," a supermodel search.

Last month's merger of UPN and WB left a big programming hole for News Corp.'s UPN affiliates. But yesterday, Fox TV Stations' chairman, Roger Ailes, called the loss of UPN "an enormous opportunity" to shore up his stations.

"I'm writing Les a thank-you note," Ailes joked at the news conference, referring to Leslie Moonves, chairman of CBS, which owns half of CW. Moonves declined to comment.

My Network TV will begin on the 10 News Corp. stations, which cover 24% of the country. It will look to challenge CW by signing up affiliates covering "90% of the country," said Fox TV Stations CEO Jack Abernethy. The network is expected to be profitable from the start.

Fox TV Stations' operations chief, Dennis Swanson, told the Daily News that WWOR will have far more locally programmed hours than rival WPIX/Ch. 11, which will carry the CW network.

CW execs issued a statement yesterday saying they remain "bullish on the CW's future as America's premier destination for young viewers," thanks to popular shows like "Smallville," "America's Next Top Model" and "Everybody Hates Chris."

But Fox has shown that it knows how to topple established rivals. Fox News Channel - also run by Ailes - took on news juggernaut CNN and now boasts more than double its ratings in prime time.


As a side note: Don't poo poo a local station out of New York as being something insignificant. That's where FOX started. We may end up with six networks again after everything is said and done.
 
Ok so I didnt see this when I started the other thread about My Network TV.
 
NHawk19 said:
Ok so I didn't see this when I started the other thread about My Network TV.
S'kay, Hawk. It's an occupational hazard 'round these parts LOL. ;)
 
just a bump so it doesnt fall into obscurity.

Anybody know how the re-runs are doing though?
 
I dont know how the re-runs are doing, but did everyone see that Charmed is on its last few episodes. The season finale is being written as a series finale. They apparently werent given any official word but noted that they werent mentioned in the proposed lineup for the CW Network.
 
That's interesting wonder what they'll do for Sunday I dont know that UPN programs that night.

Though if I had to guess I would think the CW Lineup would look something like:

S: What I like, Girlfriends, Eve, Cuts (or some of the other sitcoms)
M: One Tree Hill 8, Everwood @ 9
T: Gilmore Girls 8 Top Model 9
W: Supernatural 8 Beauty & the Geek 9
Th: SV 8 VM 9
F: Everybody Hates 8, Reba 8:30, Smackdown 9
Sa: Kids WB cartoons
 
Interesting USA Today article on The CW. They're giving their Up Front announcement today.

Apparently, many affiliates across the country have already started preempting WB and UPN programming. Though, I think a lot of that had to do with local Championship College Basketball games. The "ratings are down" line also forgets to qualify that statement with the fact that SV has been in reruns for the last few weeks.

Here's the paper's take:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-03-14-cw_x.htm

New CW network seeks its own identity
By Gary Levin, USA TODAY
Will CW equal UPN plus WB, or something more?
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That's the equation viewers of both lame-duck networks are mulling as plans are made for the CW to sprout in September, targeting the same 18-to-34 crowd its predecessors did.

Network executives will unveil development plans to advertisers at a meeting in L.A. today. But don't look for many new shows from the network, which was announced in January as a replacement for UPN and WB. The CW is already well stocked with best-of-both returning series.

CW entertainment president Dawn Ostroff says five series — WB's Gilmore Girls, Smallville and Beauty and the Geek, and UPN's America's Next Top Model and Everybody Hates Chris — are a virtual lock for the CW lineup this fall, along with WWE Smackdown, expected to keep its Friday berth.

Upcoming WB series Pepper Dennis, starring Rebecca Romijn as a TV reporter, also is a contender for CW, and others, such as Girlfriends, Supernatural and Veronica Mars, are on the fence, though odds favor their return. But a rumored revival of 7th Heaven, canceled by WB for financial reasons, is a long shot.

"We already have established franchises from both networks, and shows that speak specifically to the 18-to-34 demographic," says Ostroff, who also runs UPN. "We're hoping one plus one will equal three."

Confirming a cost-saving rationale for combining the two money-losing networks, CW has ordered just six pilots, down from the 15 or so each commissioned last spring. "Obviously we'd like to see one thing new on the schedule, and there could be two," Ostroff says, plus others as midseason replacements. Candidates include:

•Aquaman, another superhero franchise from the Smallville team.

•Palm Springs, a mystery soap from Kevin Williamson (Dawson's Creek).

•Runaway, about a man falsely accused of murder who moves his family to a small town under assumed names while proving his innocence.

•Split Decision, a drama about a teenage girl who vacillates between the cheerleader and rebel crowds and is seen as two separate characters inhabiting both worlds.

•She Said, He Said, an ensemble romantic comedy in the Men Are from Mars mode: a guy, a girl and their different worldviews. Nick Lachey is in talks for the male lead.

•The Game, a Girlfriends spinoff about football players' girlfriends.

Analyst Steve Sternberg of the Magna Global USA ad firm says it's a "mistake to start out with too much new product," and says "neither WB nor UPN has been particularly successful over the past few seasons in developing new scripted series. It's much better to just take one or two new shows to start, and then focus on developing potential replacements."

Starcom's Laura Caraccioli-Davis is unenthused: "They're creating something so similar to what they had, there's no sense of excitement in the ad community," she says. And with a "tech-savvy" target audience, the CW's traditional network blueprint "seems very old-school to me."

CW so far has agreements with 49 stations, covering 60% of the USA's TV homes, to carry the network. Meantime, WB and UPN are hanging in even as some current affiliates have begun pre-empting their lineups. Ratings for Chris and Smallville are down, though Top Model returned last week with a record-high season opener.

"We obviously know it's going to be challenging for the rest of the season," Ostroff says. "But shows that are good franchises and are known will have an easier time relaunching."
 
Great news for me because I love Gilmore Girls and was a little worried about it. They should really keep Supernatural as well it has such a potential to grow and I'm constantly surprised at the quality.
 
What do they mean ratings for Smallville are down?

They must have just been looking at the last couple of weeks of re-runs, cause Smallville's been on a high all season.
 
That article has me curious about the 6 pilots and how they will affect the fall lineup. My post above indicates what I think will/should survive but working those other 6 in is going to be tough even if shows like B&G and TM replace them mid season.
 
In case anybody was interested, here's the ratings from last Thursday's repeat (Lockdown.) It was followed for the first time by Supernatural, which worked out quite well as a lead out and held most of the audience. It will be interesting to see how well SN does after the SV hiatus.



MARCH 17, 2006
The Programming Insider
Marc Berman

Primetime Thursday Ratings:
Solid Sampling for ABC’s American Inventor; NCAA Basketball Strong on CBS

Thursday 3/16/06
Metered Market Ratings

Household Rating/Share
ABC: 8.6/13, NBC: 8.0/12, CBS: 7.1/11, Fox: 3.7/ 6, WB: 2.3/ 3, UPN: 2.1/ 3

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-Percent Change From the Year-Ago Evening (Thursday, March 17, 2005):
ABC: +37, CBS: + 8, NBC: - 2, Fox: -14, WB: -21, UPN: -45

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Fast National Ratings:

-Total Viewers:
ABC: 12.36 million, CBS: 10.78, NBC: 10.62, Fox: 5.29, WB: 2.67, UPN: 2.23

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 4.7/13, NBC: 4.5/12, CBS: 4.0/11, Fox: 2.3/ 6, WB: 1.1/ 3, UPN: 0.9/ 2

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
American Inventor (ABC)

-Honorable Mention:
NCAA College Basketball: First Round, Day One (CBS)

-Dominant but Down:
ER (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
That ‘70s Show (Fox), Four Kings (NBC), The Loop (Fox), The O.C. (Fox), Primetime Live (ABC)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
Without CBS’ regularly scheduled Survivor and CSI in the competitive mix, the two-hour debut of ABC’s American Inventor (from Simon Cowell and the creators of American Idol) was amply sampled. American Inventor won the 8-10 p.m. block with a solid 9.7/15 in the overnights, 14.20 million viewers and a 5.4/15 among adults 18-49. Compared to a four-episode Jake In Progress marathon on the year-ago evening (Overnights: #3, 5.7/ 8; Viewers: #3, 6.73 million; A18-49: #4, 2.4/ 6 on March 17, 2005), this was an increase of a hefty 70 percent in the overnights, 7.47 million viewers and 125 percent among adults 18-49.

As a reminder, total viewers and adults 18-49 from last night are based on the fast nationals. Any prior comparisons are based on the final nationals.

Despite a stronger lead-in, and minus CBS’ normally scheduled Without A Trace, ABC’s Primetime Live still finished third at 10 p.m. with a lackluster 6.4/10 in the overnights, 8.70 million viewers and a 3.3/ 9 among adults 18-49.

On CBS, NCAA College Basketball: First Round, Day One, came in above the comparable year-ago tournament with a 7.1/11 in the overnights, and an approximate 10.78 million viewers and a 4.0/11 among adults 18-49 from 8-11 p.m. The year-ago match-ups averaged a 6.6/10 in the overnights, with 9.69 million viewers and a 3.6/10 among adults 18-49. Consider this a positive start for College Basketball.

NBC’s revamped Thursday has sprung a leak at 8:30 p.m., with the return of sitcom Four Kings (Overnights: #3, 5.2/ 8; Viewers: #3, 6.87 million; A18-49: #3, 2.9/ 8) declining by a noticeable 28 percent in the overnights, 2.32 million viewers and 28 percent among adults 18-49 from soon-to-depart lead-in Will & Grace (Overnights: #2, 7.2/11; Viewers: #3, 9.19 million; A18-49: #2, 3.7/11 at 8 p.m.). Although 9 p.m. occupant My Name Is Earl got some mileage among adults 18-49, a 7.8/12 in the overnights (#3), 10.61 million viewers (#3) and a second-place 4.5/12 in the demo without CBS’ normally competing CSI in the mix is disappointing. My Name Is Earl led into a typical 6.7/10 in the overnights (#3), 8.90 million viewers (#3) and a 4.2/11 among adults 18-49 (#3) for The Office at 9:30 p.m.

At 10 p.m., NBC’s veteran ER capped off the evening with a dominant, but depressed, 10.5/17 in the overnights, 14.06 million viewers and a 5.8/15 among adults 18-49. Assuming there will be more erosion next season, it’s time for ER to retire before it ends up in the emergency room.

Despite the ample sampling out of American Idol on Wednesday (see Ratings Box below), Fox sitcom The Loop debuted in its regularly scheduled Thursday 8:30 p.m. time period with a disappointing (and fourth-place) 3.3/ 5 in the overnights, 4.78 million viewers and a 2.0/ 6 among adults 18-49. Soon-to-depart lead-in That ‘70s Show opened with a typical (and also fourth-place) 3.8/ 6 in the overnights, 5.48 million viewers and a 2.4/ 7 among adults 18-49 at 8 p.m. Sagging The O.C. led out of The Loop with a fourth-place 3.8/ 6 in the overnights, 5.45 million viewers and a 2.4/ 6 among adults 18-49 from 9-10 p.m. Is there really any reason to renew The O.C. for 2006-07?

On the WB, a repeat of the relocated Supernatural at 9 p.m. (Overnights: #5, 2.2/ 3; Viewers: #5, 2.64 million; A18-49: #5, 1.1/ 3) fit like a glove out of a repeat of Smallville (Overnights: #6, 2.3/ 4; Viewers: #5, 2.69 million; A18-49: #5, 1.1/ 3 at 8 p.m.). UPN capped off the evening with repeats of Everybody Hates Chris (Overnights: #5, 2.9/ 5; Viewers: #5, 3.06 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3), Love, Inc. (Overnights: #6, 1.9/ 3; Viewers: #6, 1.96 million; A18-49: #6, 0.8/ 2), Eve (Overnights: #6, 2.0/ 3; Viewers: #6, 1.97 million; A18-49: #6, 0.8/ 2) and Cuts (Overnights: #6, 1.8/ 3; Viewers: #6, 1.93 million; A18-49: #6, 0.8/ 2). Although Everybody Hates Chris will find a spot on upcoming The CW, Love, Inc. Eve and Cuts are all out.
 
Wonder if that was a test of things to come?
 
NHawk19 said:
Wonder if that was a test of things to come?
A test? AFAIK, that's the line-up (SV into SN) for the foreseeable future. They started it early because BatK ended the week before, and they needed to have a new show to put in its place. Plus, they like to "train" viewers with new timeslots using repeats. It's safer that way, I guess.

Like the article said, SN fits like a glove. They should have done that right from the git go. [shrugs]
 
AgentPat said:
A test? AFAIK, that's the line-up (SV into SN) for the foreseeable future. They started it early because BatK ended the week before, and they needed to have a new show to put in its place. Plus, they like to "train" viewers with new timeslots using repeats. It's safer that way, I guess.

Like the article said, SN fits like a glove. They should have done that right from the git go. [shrugs]

Acctually I ment it would be a test for CW in the fall. Their lineup at this point is anyone's guess. Who know's EHC may follow SV in Oct.

I'm all about SV having a strong lead out at 9, even if that means I change the channel. I cant say I've been able to get into SN.
 
NHawk19 said:
I cant say I've been able to get into SN.

You should give it another try...

It's probably the only besides Smallville that I would hate to miss. It doesn't hurt that Jared Padelecki and Jenson Ackles are both extremely likable and so easy on the eyes... :D

The episode about a shape shifter, Skin, was possibly some of the best TV I've seen this season. Aside from some slightly cheesy F/X, it was an exciting episode and had some great twists....

It's like a mini-horror film each week. It's an anthology series in a way too. Only the two main characters continue from week to week so they can do anything and go anywhere in that car of Dean's... It's sorta like Quantum Leap in that way.

It's probably terrifically freeing, story-development wise.
 
Primetime Thursday Ratings:
CBS Rules; ABC and the WB on the Plus Side

Thursday 3/30/06

Household Rating/Share
CBS: 13.2/20, NBC: 7.5/12, ABC: 5.7/ 9, Fox: 3.3/ 5, WB: 3.1/ 5, UPN: 2.0/ 3

-Percent Change From the Comparable Year-Ago Evening (Thursday 3/31/05):
WB: +63, ABC: +24, NBC: -10, Fox: -11, CBS: -17, UPN: -46

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Fast National Ratings (Live Plus Same Day data).

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 19.98 million, NBC: 10.22, ABC: 7.76, Fox: 4.80, WB: 4.10, UPN: 1.97

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 6.5/17, NBC: 4.5/12, ABC: 2.9/ 8, Fox: 2.4/ 6, WB: 1.7/ 5, UPN: 0.8/ 2

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor Panama – Exile Island (CBS), CSI (CBS), Without A Trace (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
Smallville (WB), American Inventor (ABC), My Name Is Earl (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
That ‘70s Show (Fox), The Loop (Fox), Primetime Live (ABC)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
After two weeks of preemptions for basketball, CBS’ combination of Survivor Panama – Exile Island, CSI and Without A Trace lifted the network back to victory. Comparatively, the Eye net’s advantage over distant second-place NBC was a hefty 76 percent in the overnights, 9.76 million viewers and 44 percent among adults 18-49.

Although ratings have dipped for the current edition of Survivor, a 9.7/15 in the overnights, 16.54 million viewers and a 5.9/17 among adults 18-49 was more than enough to top the 8-9 p.m. competition. That led into CSI at a below average, but typically dominant 17.1/25 in the overnights, 25.10 million viewers and a 7.9/20 among adults 18-49 at 9 p.m., followed by reliable Without A Trace at a 12.8/21 in the overnights (#1), 18.29 million viewers (#1) and a 5.6/15 among adults 18-49 (#1t) at 10 p.m. Remember the time when no show could compete with NBC’s ER?

Over at NBC, soon-to-depart Will & Grace got some mileage in the 8 p.m. half-hour at a second-place 7.2/11 in the overnights, 9.33 million viewers and a 3.6/11 among adults 18-49. That led into a repeat of My Name Is Earl in place of the yanked Four Kings at a 6.2/ 9 in the overnights (#2), 8.27 million viewers (#2) and a 3.4/ 9 among adults 18-49 (#2) at 8:30 p.m. The regularly scheduled 9 p.m. installment of My Name Is Earl (now also facing ABC’s oddly addictive American Inventor) came in at a below average (but still second-place) 6.8/10 in the overnights, 9.81 million viewers and a 4.4/11 among adults 18-49. Shaky The Office, meanwhile, followed with a 5.7/ 8 in the overnights (#3), 7.96 million viewers (#3) and a 4.1/10 among adults 18-49 (#2t) at 9:30 p.m. Am I the only one who finds the frantic camera movement on The Office annoying?

At 10 p.m., NBC’s veteran ER scored a typical 9.6/16 in the overnights (#1), 12.97 million viewers (#2) and a 5.6/15 among adults 18-49 (#1t).

In the land called ABC, which remained up year-to-year by double-digit percentages despite the return of CBS’ regularly scheduled line-up, week two of Extreme Makeover: Home Edition: After The Storm opened third in the 8 p.m. hour with a 5.8/9 in the overnights, 7.44 million viewers and a 2.2/ 6 adults 18-49 (tied with Fox). Although lead-out American Inventor dipped to a series-low 6.6/10 in the overnights (#2), 9.30 million viewers (#3) and a 3.7/ 9 among adults 18-49 (#3) opposite the return of CSI, this is still a dramatic improvement over year-ago occupant Extreme Makeover. And it built from Extreme Makeover: Home Edition: After The Storm by 14 percent in the overnights, 1.86 viewers and 68 percent among adults 18-49. To the fans of American Inventor, isn’t Doug Hall reminiscent of the kid you wanted to beat up in middle school?

Also on ABC was the perennially ratings challenged Primetime Live at a last-place 4.8/ 8 in the overnights, 6.54 million viewers and a 2.7/ 7 among adults 18-49.

Fox minus American Idol is a network in need on Thursday, with a modest fourth-place finish in the three surveyed categories. The soon-to-retire That ‘70s Show opened with a 3.3/ 5 in the overnights (#4), 4.88 million viewers (#4) and a 2.4/ 7 among adults 18-49 (#3) at 8 p.m., followed by recently introduced sitcom The Loop (Overnights: #5, 2.6/ 4; Viewers: #4, 4.07 million; A18-49: #5, 2.0/ 6) and all but forgotten The O.C. from 8:30-10 p.m. (Overnights: #4, 3.6/ 5; Viewers: #4, 5.48 million; A18-49: #4, 2.6/ 7). Wasn’t The O.C. once a “hot” show?

Relocated Supernatural on the WB (Overnights: #5, 2.8/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.59 million; A18-49: #5, 1.5/ 4 at 9 p.m.) fit relatively well out of Smallville (Overnights: #4, 3.4/ 5; Viewers: #4, 4.60 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5 at 8 p.m.) with retention of 82 percent in the overnights, 78 percent in total viewers and 79 percent among adults 18-49.
Last for the evening in every half-hour was UPN with its repeat combination of Everybody Hates Chris (Overnights: 2.9/ 5; Viewers: 2.78 million; A18-49: 1.1/ 3), Love, Inc. (Overnights: 1.9/ 3; Viewers: 1.83 million; A18-49: 0.8/ 2), Eve (Overnights: 1.6/ 2; Viewers: 1.63 million; A18-49: 0.7/ 2) and Cuts (Overnights: 1.4/ 2; Viewers: 1.63 million; A18-49: 0.7/ 2).

Source: Nielsen Media Research data
 
Looks like the long hiatus hurt some. :(
 
NHawk19 said:
Looks like the long hiatus hurt some. :(

Maybe, but it could also do with survivor and extreme makeover home edition (which is only on for a limited time). Oh and there were probably a few people who wanted to see what a train wreck Brittany Spears would be on Will and Grace.

I think once they start ramping up toward the finale we should see the ratings pick up.
 
I always try to look at all of the shows and how they do, and it seems that they were all down. Especially The O.C.

When Alias was on Smallville was doing much better, so maybe whenever whatever's in the ABC Timeslot at the moment finishes Smallville will pick up.

Its been a long hiatus and its probably not bad figures when you consider the nature of the episode.
 
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