Justice League Ray Fisher Is Victor Stone/Cyborg

[DlAMONDZ]

So you can't show support for something unless you experienced it? What kinda logic is that?

 

[Filmfreak]

I'm saying it's pretty much the same as Alan Tudyk supporting Joss Whedon. Only with a hashtag. Backing up is nice but he needs it from people who were there and can corroborate his story, otherwise it doesn't really mean anything.

 

[emc5466]

Collider’s Jeff Sneider says he’s heard Ray Fisher has had “attitude issues” dating all the way back to his stage days.

 

[heatvision38]

Collider’s Jeff Sneider says he’s heard Ray Fisher has had “attitude issues” dating all the way back to his stage days.

If true, that could mean he's either a divo or he's not someone who takes crap from bosses and therefore gets a bad reputation. One thing I do pay attention to is how others talk about him or seem to like him.

I've had jobs that depending on whom you asked, I was either amazing or difficult to get along with. If you asked people who worked hard and were easy to get along with, they'd put me in the former category. If you asked some bosses or the more PITA employees, they'd put me in the latter category.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Collider’s Jeff Sneider says he’s heard Ray Fisher has had “attitude issues” dating all the way back to his stage days.

Snyder talking about attitude is hilarious. Look up on why he was fired and then read his meltdown. He also threatened with calling the feds on some twitter user. lol

 

[heatvision38]

Snyder talking about attitude is hilarious. Look up on why he was fired and then read his meltdown. He also threatened with calling the feds on some twitter user. lol

Oh, is it that guy? Haha

 

[MbJ]

Collider’s Jeff Sneider says he’s heard Ray Fisher has had “attitude issues” dating all the way back to his stage days.

Is there a link?

 

[moviefreak]

Kiersey Clemons is Rick Famuyiwa's actress who got cast in his dropped Flash solo. Snyder just cast her in JL because of the then DCEU continiuity.

 

[kguillou]

Collider’s Jeff Sneider says he’s heard Ray Fisher has had “attitude issues” dating all the way back to his stage days.

In one of Fisher’s last videos he notes that this whole thing isnt his first rodeo. He spearheaded a similar investigation against one of his last jobs back in 2010. I think that right there tells you a lot about about Fisher. I’m sure whoever his employer was in 2010 thought he was being a pesky diva too.

 

[emc5466]

Is there a link?

Just watch the latest episode of his YouTube podcast “The Sneider Cut” on Collider.

 

[MbJ]

I saw it. Some of it seems like a stretch. It's entirely possible that Ray could be a diva, but the evidence Sneider uses is that he hasn't gotten any film work since, which he claims is indicative of Ray having garnered a bad reputation for his behavior.

Again, while that could be true, I think it's just as likely that it's because his only major role was in a box office bomb most people immediately forgot about.

 

[TheFuture]

Collider’s Jeff Sneider says he’s heard Ray Fisher has had “attitude issues” dating all the way back to his stage days.

Collider should never ever be uttered as a credible source.

 

[emc5466]

Collider should never ever be uttered as a credible source.

Jeff Sneider has his flaws but he’s a good reporter. You don’t get hired at Variety unless you’re really good at what you do.

 

[obredaan]

She is an actress who was erased from the theatrical cut and didn't set foot on stage when Whedon took over and all the drama was happening. It almost suggests that they're Snyder buddies whose characters were mistreated rather than something close to the unprofessional and abusive behaviour Fisher has been mentioning. I don't really think it sends the right message. Momoa, on the other hand, that's a different story.

It's not a good look when using this hashtag just to promote the Snyder Cut. I understand supporting a co-worker but posting the 1 screenshot from your appearance in a trailer for an upcoming film does not feel authentic or a genuine show of support. Just a quick bit of promotion.

 

[chintai80]

 

[MbJ]

Via reddit, he apparently streamed on Instagram.

I have a longer post elsewhere in this thread, but here's a more concise recap.

Ray broke down the process of the investigation, but did not elaborate on the claims levied in his initial tweet(s).

He says that he spoke on the phone with Warner HR for 2 hours, giving them information about his grievances and those of others, and gave them information about specific instances with people they could talk to in order to look into it.

He claims that Hamada did in fact try to throw Whedon and Berg under the bus. He claims Hamada strongly defended Johns and Fisher felt this was problematic and told HR about it.

He thought HR wasn't taking him serious in the investigation as one of the HR people used a microwave during the 2 hour call. He believed they were slow walking the investigation and had to 'stay on top of them' to speak with certain people. Because of this he asked for an independent investigation.

HR told him a third party investigator was hired. He asked who approved it, they told him Warner Media. It appears HR/Legal went to Warner Media and that WM gave the greenlight for WB HR/Legal to hire a third party investigator.

HR told Ray they liked using this investigator and had worked with him before. Ray did not like this. After learning the investigator was seemingly hired by WB with Warner Media's approval, Ray is saying he will not speak with the investigator until every person on his list is spoken to first. He indicates that the problem is larger than his Whedon/Johns/Berg accusation, and targets the highest executives of Warner Bros.

 

[chintai80]

just from some personal experience, HR is not there to protect you the employee but to protect the company.

 

[MbJ]

just from some personal experience, HR is not there to protect you the employee but to protect the company.

Yup. The one spot-on thing in the Sneider video was when he conceded Ray was likely correct about the investigation being bull****. Warner Media has no real incentive to take his claims seriously and actually act on them.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Can someone please help me out since I don't fully understand how this "independent investigation" stuff works. If it's supposed to be an independent 3rd party investigation, then how come one of the 2 parties, and the one who's making the accusations in the first place, is allowed to approve the investigator? Ray keeps talking about making sure the investigators are unbiased and doing their job properly, which is fair, but how is his team allowed to essentially investigate the investigator? That way this is no longer a 3rd party investigation since one of the parties is getting involved in the investigator's work, right? So how is Ray's team even allowed to get involved in this whole thing? He flat out says he gave a list of names the investigator should speak to and won't talk to him unless he's spoken to them first, but how does he get to have a say in who the investigator should or should not speak to? Or am I really missing something here.

 

[obredaan]

Yup. The one spot-on thing in the Sneider video was when he conceded Ray was likely correct about the investigation being bull****. Warner Media has no real incentive to take his claims seriously and actually act on them.

Unless some sort of crime was committed or something truly disturbing actually happened I doubt Warner would try to cover it up as that would only make them look worse in the end. Details would eventually leak out.

If it all comes down to "Creative Differences" than I can understand Warner just wanting to move on and not really taking it seriously.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Seems like Ray is basically just trying to vet the investigator. That’s not the same as manipulating the investigation.

 

[Aurakles]

Fisher is questioning whether the third party investigator is truly independent.
He's saying they are showing bias towards WB, and is suggesting they are not giving the complaints a fair hearing.

 

[Iceman]

just from some personal experience, HR is not there to protect you the employee but to protect the company.

Agreed.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Fisher is questioning whether the third party investigator is truly independent.
He's saying they are showing bias towards WB, and is suggesting they are not giving the complaints a fair hearing.

But that's what I'm wondering about, if it's supposed to be a truly independent investigation how come he gets to choose which people should be interviewed and then refuse to speak to the investigator unless he's talked to them first? Can that in itself be seen as a potential form of bias since someone in his position could be sure the specific individuals he demanded to be interviewed would speak in his favor? Not accusing him of trying to manipulate the investigation for his own benefit, it's the part about an accuser demanding which people an independent investigator should or should not interview is what doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Aurakles]

Being independent means being unnatched to either party. Think of the investigator as a Judge in a court case, they are supposed to be unbias and treat both sides fairly. It's normal practice for both sides to make requests of the judge, asking to allow a witness to be called, making an objection etc.
Fisher is claiming that they are not being fair, that they are giving time to WB's witnesses but not his.

Fisher said:
"
To-date, the “independent” firm hired by @wbpictures has conveniently avoided contacting key witnesses who gave damning statements to WB HR. They’ve also started interviews with (and have since ghosted) witnesses that have implicated former and current top level executives. 1/2
Others (including an implicated individual that called me to apologize) have already been interviewed. We will not let ANY investigator cherry-pick interviewees that best suit@wbpictures’ false narrative and scapegoating efforts. All with stories WILL be heard! A>E 2/2"