Justice League Ray Fisher - WB Investigation Updates Thread

[Primal Slayer]

I think Ray intentionally left it up to the studio. Resignations are typically a lot more specific in how they’re rendered. Most companies have a handbook of some sort to let you know how to do it. Every company I’ve worked for has required written notice 1-2 weeks in advance. I’m sure many of us have encountered this as well.

An employee saying they don’t want to work with people, regardless of their position, is a really weak defense for an employer trying to justify a resignation and it would never hold up based on my experience managing folks.

So now this paints it as a termination if indeed the role was written out of the film. That wouldn’t be abnormal if not for this whole scandal, which creates an arguable case of retaliation on the part of WB. That’s illegal.

And even if Ray did intend to quit, it still may not hold up as an actual resignation if the environment was indeed toxic. It’d a constructive termination/discharge and WB would be in hot water.

Either way it goes, The Wrap has put themselves in an awkward spot by saying Ray resigned based on his tweet. WB will probably say Ray has not been terminated and that the Flash script is still being worked on.



Nah a journalist needs to be held to a higher standard. It’s their job to vet this kinda stuff and report accurately. But even your average manager could’ve told you that’s not a real resignation.

Well looks like The Wrap has already amended their article. I dont think WB will say more on the subject of him Cameoing in The Flash. We know it the offer was there, either Ray signed on to it or he didnt. If he did then was let go and paid out that's a different story. But even then they can simply say that the script evolved and he was ultimately written out. If he asked to be let out of his contract then that is also a different story.

The weird thing about the WarnerMedia statement was Ray had been making it seem like they were on his side and had his back against WB. So them saying "Okay, investigation's concluded. Move on now" was a bit surprising.

I think they are at the point where they are on his side but they did everything they were supposed to do and Ray doesnt want to let go and is making statements that he likely wouldnt even know about anyway in regards to who is getting terminated or not.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

This doesnt hurt HBO Max at all. Majority of the public have no idea what is going on and it isnt going to stop them from watching DC related projects.



Most investigations dont lol. If there isnt anything troubling, they will want to save face.



I think ABC is fine, most people dont know who Ray is and WB is a competitor. It doesnt hurt their brand.

WB mismanaging the DC brand hurts HBO Max and their ability to use it as a selling point for their service

 

[Primal Slayer]

WB mismanaging the DC brand hurts HBO Max and their ability to use it as a selling point for their service

They been mismanaging the DC Brand since they started branching outside of Batman. They will likely continue to mismanage the DC Brand until they have someone who has a clear vision of where the brand needs to go and what they want to be.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

This giant mess. All over a bad movie and mediocre and generally disliked franchise

thats a little harsh. there are people out there who like these movies. I mean, I've never met any in real life, but they do have a formidable online presence, that plays a big role in all this.

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

Well looks like The Wrap has already amended their article. I dont think WB will say more on the subject of him Cameoing in The Flash. We know it the offer was there, either Ray signed on to it or he didnt. If he did then was let go and paid out that's a different story. But even then they can simply say that the script evolved and he was ultimately written out. If he asked to be let out of his contract then that is also a different story.

I remember hearing maybe in 2018 or 2019 that Ray and Ezras overall deals were about to expire and since have. Ezra is still Flash for sure so I’m guessing he got a new deal, prolly 3 picture. Michael Keaton only recently closed his deal and given what’s been going on I’m thinking Ray had not signed on to anything yet.

So he couldn't have have been fired or even had the ability to resign. It’s just not happening. I don’t think he ever signed a new contract. I could definitely be wrong and if I am then Ray has some legal standing. Just a thought.

Per usual, so as not to trigger anyone, I liked Rays performance, even in Josstice League and am willing to bet his performance and arc in the snydercut is even better so I hope he is back.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I remember hearing maybe in 2018 or 2019 that Ray and Ezras overall deals were about to expire and since have. Ezra is still Flash for sure so I’m guessing he got a new deal, prolly 3 picture. Michael Keaton only recently closed his deal and given what’s been going on I’m thinking Ray had not signed on to anything yet.

So he couldn't have have been fired or even had the ability to resign. It’s just not happening. I don’t think he ever signed a new contract. I could definitely be wrong and if I am then Ray has some legal standing. Just a thought.

If he never signed on to anything then I dont think he has a legal standing. Or at least one that would go anywhere in his favor. The Flash taking so long to get into production likely worked in WBs favor.

 

[MbJ]

I imagine it would also depend on how far negotiations got. We know Hamada offered him a role in Flash and Fisher's lawyers did not deny this when asked, but it hasn't been said if any contracts were signed. If Fisher was never officially hired and they deleted Cyborg from the screenplay in a subsequent revision, that's different than if he'd actually signed on and they fired him for speaking out.

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

I imagine it would also depend on how far negotiations got. We know Hamada offered him a role in Flash and Fisher's lawyers did not deny this when asked, but it hasn't been said if any contracts were signed. If Fisher was never officially hired and they deleted Cyborg from the screenplay in a subsequent revision, that's different than if he'd actually signed on and they fired him for speaking out.

Correct. Based on what we’ve heard from Ray, his being offered a role as Cyborg again for his own solo film and Flash from Hamada was contingent on biting the bullet, taking Whedon's involvement out and making up with Geoff Johns. I’m leaning towards Johns actually being an a** (because I kind of believe Grace Randolph) and as Ray says, didn’t want to collaborate with him anymore. So I really don’t believe any deals have been made and Ray is simply not being offered a role.

 

[idiot09]

This giant mess. All over a bad movie and mediocre and generally disliked franchise

This is the attitude I dont get. This is not about a movie. This is not about a franchise, or if your favourite comics movies are getting a bad reputation.

People in power, abused their power. Some read bad **** went down. Jason Momoa confirmed it. Gal Gadot confirmed it. Ray Fisher tried to call that out 4 years ago and it was ignored. Now he is publically calling that out, and WB are trying to bury him with hitpieces and PR article. Only when things became really bad for WB from an optics perspective, Hamada tried to offer Whedon for Johns, rather than owning upto the ****ty things they did. That's what is gross. And no, it doesnt matter at all that franchise is getting controversial press regarding this.

Good. Good if it does. Its all on WB, for not clearing this up, and trying to shield and enable abusers. WB is trying to turn this on Fisher, and people are falling for it hook, line and sinker. This is textbook victim blaming.Its not Fisher's fault people at WB did ****ty things, they brought this on themselves. What's frustating is how the bloggers and "woke" people on twitter who jump at every opportunity to drum up controversy around non issues(remember the amazonian costume controversy), will maintain radio silence about Ray Fisher. Its telling.

 

[shauner111]

WB is gonna drop Fisher and Heard like a bad habit after today. Ezra isn’t safe after Flash either (that stuff might be swept under the rug but I wouldn’t be surprised if WB are trying to film Flash before they react because the future of DC relies on their multi-verse idea). You need Ezra for that and then you can always continue on with a different actor IF it starts getting serious.

Affleck and Gadot in particular will likely try their best to avoid the controversy as they don’t need that right now. This Fisher thing is the main reason why JL sequels won’t happen. Even more than budget issues or potentially bad reviews.

I’m sorry but the Snyderverse is toxic AF right now. Most of it is the studios fault but it’s toxic no two ways about it.

Fisher is doing the right thing but it’s not the smartest thing either. I’m with him and I believe him. **** the suits. He’s got balls. But it’s gonna cost him and it does effect this Snyderverse. This stuff will inspire WB to continue on even more with Keaton, Pattinson and solo DC movies.

 

[Micromind]

This whole mess could have been easily avoided completely had they never got Joss Whedon to reshoot Justice League movie after Zack Snyder left.

 

[Micromind]

Warner Media wants to fire Ray Fisher, Amber Heard and Ezra miller ? Fine, they should also fire Goeff Johns and Toby Emmerich. They're also part of the problem, you can't take selective action.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Amber Heard aint going anywhere.

 

[Schlosser85]

Warner Media wants to fire Ray Fisher, Amber Heard and Ezra miller ? Fine, they should also fire Goeff Johns and Toby Emmerich. They're also part of the problem, you can't take selective action.

They’ve shown no sign of wanting to fire Amber Heard and Ezra Miller.

 

[Primal Slayer]

If you believe Grace Randolph they are looking to give Amber Heard and Mera spin off on Hbo Max.

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

If you believe Grace Randolph they are looking to give Amber Heard and Mera spin off on Hbo Max.

Ezra Miller isn’t getting fired because he’s known for cooky ish (constantly stoned) and no charges were brought against him. WB just fired Johnny Depp, basically siding with Amber Heard despite her history of abuse with her past girlfriend and assistant. She has a criminal record...

It’s not at all beyond the realm of possibility they give her a show. All about feminism and women...no matter her past transgressions.

 

[MbJ]

Warner Media wants to fire Ray Fisher, Amber Heard and Ezra miller ? Fine, they should also fire Goeff Johns and Toby Emmerich. They're also part of the problem, you can't take selective action.

In the case of Ray they really don't need to fire him. Just not make more movies featuring Cyborg.

 

[Micromind]

In the case of Ray they really don't need to fire him. Just not make more movies featuring Cyborg.

I know, but some people want to believe that he's fired.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

If you believe Grace Randolph they are looking to give Amber Heard and Mera spin off on Hbo Max.

Keeping her for Aquaman 2 where she's not the lead is one thing but giving her a show? Nah

 

[Mani-Man]

If you believe Grace Randolph they are looking to give Amber Heard and Mera spin off on Hbo Max.

If you believe Grace Randolph then there are bigger problems...like believing grace randolph.
A Mera spin off is well known to be a thought before the idiot even thought about spreading nonsense.

Ever since Aquaman was a success the rumors were spread by people who have a track record of being right.
If that is still happening, i doubt it.
They might not fire Heard, but they know that they cant sell this at the moment.
There is just too much bad publicity.

 

[Aurakles]

"Fisher, in his only film role, first appeared as Cyborg in 2017’s “Justice League.” His final appearance as Cyborg will be in the “Justice League” Snyder Cut, which will premiere this spring on HBO Max."

He was in Batman V Superman as well. You're writing an article about someone and you can't be bothered to check their IMDB page?

 

[DlAMONDZ]

They really dragged out Jim Lee to congratulate Hamada lol

 

[DarkKnight88]

He was in Batman V Superman as well. You're writing an article about someone and you can't be bothered to check their IMDB page?

To be fair, fuzzy/CGI upper body on a computer screen for 30 seconds I guess doesn't really constitute as a full "appearance".

 

[Comicbookguy339]

The way Variety/Deadline/TheWrap always has an article ready to go right after Fisher says something is really telling.

 

[Mani-Man]

They really dragged out Jim Lee to congratulate Hamada lol

Yeah i saw that, and it felt so forced and not at all like Jim Lee.
WB doesnt do themself any favors, i dont know why they didnt keep this quiet with Hamadas deal.
They are already looking very bad and this looks more like they taunt Fisher or some ****.
Not a good look at all.