Justice League Ray Fisher - WB Investigation Updates Thread

If Fisher said something like "Whedon was racist to a cameraman" and there was only one non-white cameraman on set, without saying the name he's singled that person out in a way that's easy to identify.

If he quotes specific language that Whedon used when alone with someone, again without using their name, that person can be identified.

The trouble is without knowing the specifics, we can't judge what could and couldn't be revealed without jeopardising someone career.
 
Here's my take on it. If there wasn't any truth to what Fisher has said there would be a lawsuit against him by now.
This. Notice Johns nor Whedon has threatened him with a libel lawsuit. Plus reading WB's carefully written statement, something clearly went down. People are just so quick to blow Fisher off because they want all the juicy details but due to legal reasons you just can't put everything out there. Whedon has a history of verbal abuse and many people have come out in support but yet people are STILL saying Fisher is playing the race card. I'm like WTF! :huh:
 
This. Notice Johns nor Whedon has threatened him with a libel lawsuit. Plus reading WB's carefully written statement, something clearly went down. People are just so quick to blow Fisher off because they want all the juicy details but due to legal reasons you just can't put everything out there. Whedon has a history of verbal abuse and many people have come out in support but yet people are STILL saying Fisher is playing the race card. I'm like WTF! :huh:

But to be fair, i think the counter argument thats frustrating people is “then why put your dirty laundry out in public at all if youre not willing to go all the way?” Which i think is a fair question.
 
This. Notice Johns nor Whedon has threatened him with a libel lawsuit. Plus reading WB's carefully written statement, something clearly went down. People are just so quick to blow Fisher off because they want all the juicy details but due to legal reasons you just can't put everything out there. Whedon has a history of verbal abuse and many people have come out in support but yet people are STILL saying Fisher is playing the race card. I'm like WTF! :huh:

Just to point this out, a lawsuit would open up a discovery process which would implicate all parties including Warner.

Its likely that both Whedon and Johns agreed with Warner to "sweep this under the rug" instead of taking legal action against anyone.
 
His caring about his career is not relevant anymore... the destruction is happening to his career, regardless, with the continuation of this fight.

But if he doesn’t care then why is it something worth pointing out? It’s a reality he’s already acknowledged and made his peace with. It’s a weird point to argue.
 
But if he doesn’t care then why is it something worth pointing out? It’s a reality he’s already acknowledged and made his peace with. It’s a weird point to argue.
I'm saying that point is mute. WarnerMedia’s investigation into the ‘Justice League’ movie has concluded and remedial action has been taken.

If his career is in tatters and Ray still pushes this misconduct with no resolution to it, the next part of this is his credibility and public image will go down the tubes.

No one wants that.

This conflict is approaching the endgame.
 
Campaigning for decent working conditions;
the idea that could damage his public image is bizarre.
 
If he can prove WarnerMedia and Walter Hamada's working conditions have been or still are terrible conditions to work in. If he can provide the evidence in or outside the court. Then yes it would be bizarre that it would damage his public image.

Right now, though, all I'm seeing is another standoff. Fisher's next opportunity is when Snyder's Justice League comes out and he gets additional press or spotlight. Again, something needs to happen to change the current narrative...

The most likely outcome, imo, is WB hires another actor for Cyborg and all the new or positive press goes to that actor.
 
I think they dropped Cyborg entirely because they didn't want to have to deal with the inevitable drama and just wanna move on. You can bet if they'd cast a new actor Fisher would've had something to say and the news cycle would probably continue reporting on it.
 
I think we all need to be asking what happened way back in June that set Ray off on this? 3 years after JL ended. They offered him a Cyborg role in Flash and then....how did that lead to this? There mustve been a meeting that went really bad that made Ray say “f*** this.”
 
I think they dropped Cyborg entirely because they didn't want to have to deal with the inevitable drama and just wanna move on. You can bet if they'd cast a new actor Fisher would've had something to say and the news cycle would probably continue reporting on it.

Let alone the poor actor who'd have to defend taking on the role.
 
I think they dropped Cyborg entirely because they didn't want to have to deal with the inevitable drama and just wanna move on. You can bet if they'd cast a new actor Fisher would've had something to say and the news cycle would probably continue reporting on it.
Cyborg is still a part of the Flash script. I read in Variety that Ray Fisher has confirmed that he’s been removed from the cast of Warner Bros.’ “The Flash” and will not reprise his role as Cyborg in the comic book film. But no mention of scrapping the character of Cyborg from the Flash script.
 
Problem is that in Hollywood, you're basically thrown on the "Blacklist" if you complain about a producer, exec, actor etc. Good intentions or not. Brenden Fraser for example accused someone in the industry of assault and ended up losing gigs. According to rumor, Megan Fox was blacklisted by Steven Spielberg after her comments about Michael Bay. Olivia Munn's Predator cast refused to do press with her after she outed a sex offender whom she did a scene with in the film. I can go on and on but you get the point. Ray may get roles here and there but unfortunately he'll always have this following him around. Producers are going to be asking themselves "What if he tweets that he doesn't like _____" before they call his agent.
 
I think we all need to be asking what happened way back in June that set Ray off on this? 3 years after JL ended. They offered him a Cyborg role in Flash and then....how did that lead to this? There mustve been a meeting that went really bad that made Ray say “f*** this.”
That is a good question.
 
Flashpoint is based on a Geoff Johns story. Given Johns has received either producer or consultant credits on the stories inspired by his work so far (Aquaman, Shazam, even Justice League BEFORE the reshoots was heavily inspired by his New 52 origin arc), I'm guessing that was going to be the case here as well, even if it was uncredited. I could see a situation where that pissed him off, or just the knowledge that WB continues to work with him even after the accusations.

Alternatively, when negotiations were going on, the studio may have tried to let him know a condition of being brought back was that he not raise any fuss about Johns or Whedon.
 
Problem is that in Hollywood, you're basically thrown on the "Blacklist" if you complain about a producer, exec, actor etc. Good intentions or not. Brenden Fraser for example accused someone in the industry of assault and ended up losing gigs. According to rumor, Megan Fox was blacklisted by Steven Spielberg after her comments about Michael Bay. Olivia Munn's Predator cast refused to do press with her after she outed a sex offender whom she did a scene with in the film. I can go on and on but you get the point. Ray may get roles here and there but unfortunately he'll always have this following him around. Producers are going to be asking themselves "What if he tweets that he doesn't like _____" before they call his agent.
And that is my problem with people just bashing Ray. Hollywood is known for all kinds of weird things and the Hollywood "casting couch" and all kinds of demonic stuff(if you believe in that)but as soon as someone says something the first thing people say is they are bitter or some how blame the person. Look at the list you included but some how they are to blame for speaking out.
 
Houston, we may have a problem.

Also, Houston Astros, we may have a problem.

Also, also, Houston Rockets, we may have a problem.
I want to see how people respond to this as compared to Ray Fisher. He's just as vague as Fisher but I am curious to see the response.
 
I want to see how people respond to this as compared to Ray Fisher. He's just as vague as Fisher but I am curious to see the response.
Well the accusers, as always, need to show proof. AND HE DOES with documents detailing WB's handling when it came to Stern’s situation. Otherwise, Fisher needs to do the same if he has the legal advantage. I'm all for the evidence to be laid out on the table for all to see.
 
He's naming what he alleged happened though and actually has a lawsuit with a bunch of compiled details.

Which has brought Stern and his Wigdor LLP attorneys to filing the discrimination charge. Deadline reached out to WarnerMedia for a response to the complaint, but the company said it doesn’t “comment on pending legal matters.”

The media giant may be quiet, but Stern’s complaint makes it very clear management at the company weren’t seemingly so quiet when it came to Stern’s situation.

“In one particularly offensive incident, John O’Connor, NBA TV’s Executive Producer, responded to an accommodation request by suggesting that Mr. Stern was using his children – who were being beaten by his ex-wife and her boyfriend – as an ‘excuse’ to avoid work assignments. Specifically, Mr. O’Connor said, ‘When are you going to stop using this’ family situation as an excuse?” the paperwork claims.

“These statements, which are only examples, make clear that the Company believed that Mr. Stern, as a man, was expected to place his job above his family – regardless of the fact that Mr. Stern’s children were the victims of severe domestic abuse.”

Makes me wonder if Ray considered taking this to court.
 
Could be telling.

If you read the article, it's a completely different situation and it's not even the same people or department.

Also, all things being said, the article reads a little one-sided from the position of the ex-anchor and his legal case. On top of that, it looks like most of the alleged offenses came from his supervisors in the sports broadcasting department.
 
Here's the thing. Ray doesnt give a f--- about losing work. If this was about gaining publicity or getting more work, obviously he would have stopped after Whedon/Berg were ousted. Not to mention, Ray did this at the time, when it made least sense for him to do it career wise. ZSJL was coming out, where he is the heart of the movie. He had a substantial role in The Flash, which was about to be a big tentpole. He threw it all away, because he cares about justice. Because accountibility > entertainment. Because pushing these things under the rug, ignoring it happened despite multiple attempts to bring this to light, and PR articles meant to defame you, are just not okay. Ray Fisher is a brave, brave person.

While I'm sceptical over those saying "we will boycott WB", they wont, and those saying "I will cover other films now, not DC", sure as if you're not doing this for your own YT career...thats not what bothers me the most. Its those who keep saying "He will not get anymore work", have a weirdly gleeful tone to their statements. As if they are happy that there will be negative consequences to his career because he dared stepping out of the line, and called out the creators they like, and called out the studio that gives them DC movies. That he is giving DC negative press, when the franchise doesnt need it. I've seen a lot of this, particularly in reddit, and its honestly sad. This is why victims are afraid to come out, because there are people who enable this kind of behaviour. I have a feeling there's a racial element to this blowback towards Ray, but I'll not go into that.

This all could have been avoided if Hamada like a good person, would have not tried to shield his friend Geoff Johns, and instead held him accountable, or atleast try to look into the matter at the right time, and not in a reluctant/half hearted way when he had to. He can still correct this, by making sure Geoff Johns faces the consequences, and by apologising to Ray. I'm pretty sure Ray's only problem is with those 3, and not Hamada, and he doesnt want him fired. I am 100% sure, if Hamada owned up to his fault, he would let this rest.

Have you guys noticed how WB are trying to put this under the rug? Despite finding Whedon and Berg guilty, there has been no public acknowledgement of that from WB. We know how Hollywood is with their fake apologies, but NONE of that. I'm sure that bothers Ray, because that's what he wanted, some accountability. Yet, there's no owning upto their mistakes. I've seen some bs written about how this is just "pc snowflake" Ray Fisher overreacting. Ignoring that horrible sentiment, would you call Jason Momoa that? And yet even he said "Some serious **** went down". Affleck said he was "suffering on the set of JL". Gadot said she faced problems too. Hers were heard because she was their new golden child. Ray Fisher already has enough people backing his claims, and that none of the accused deny his claims, is enough evidence for him. We are not entitled to anything more.

At the end of the day, WB needs to own up. Walter Hamada needs to apologise. Adequate actions need to be taken against the 3 accused, and they need to provide an apology, if not publically, atleast to Ray Fisher and those who suffered. That's the only good way out of this. Also, I'm not the least bit worried about Ray. Zack Snyder will have his back, as long as he is in hollywood. ZSJL will show the world his talent. He will never struggle for work. Disney are smart, they know how to put the knive into WB, they have been doing it for the last decade. They have been poaching WB talent for some time now. My guess? Disney will hire Ray Fisher for some project. Not only will it help their PR image, it will absolutely be a slap in the face to WB.
 
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