Justice League Ray Fisher - WB Investigation Updates Thread

[SupermanFan]

I hope the snyder cut people are now not gonna turn on Sean O Connell. He’s been supporting this whole thing all along.

He’s already been getting flack off a section of them because he likes Marvel and they think he’s a fake Snyder fan. It’s so stupid he’s just not obsessed like they are and doesn’t think everything Snyder does is 100% masterful. I swear had one of the crazy ones wrote that book it would have been a disaster.

With regards to the Fisher response, loads of people have cancelled their pre orders. All because Ray was unnecessarily hostile.

 

[Da-Scribe]

“Hostile” is the word of the day I see lol.

A single tweet telling a journalist not to publicly misquote a private convo....hostile....lmfao.

 

[Predator jp]

loads of people have cancelled their pre orders.

lol
we are living in the world where one wrong move can end your career.

 

[kguillou]

O’Connell does a weekly Snyder cut video series for Cinemablend on youtube where he promotes and hypes it up. Next week’s episode should be interesting lol

 

[SupermanFan]

lol
we are living in the world where one wrong move can end your career.

I think this is modern day with cancel culture in general lol

O’Connell does a weekly Snyder cut video series for Cinemablend on youtube where he promotes and hypes it up. Next week’s episode should be interesting lol

I’m not sure he’ll bring it up tbh lol

 

[MbJ]

I thought the fandom already didn't like him because he said he liked Infinity War or something similarly ridiculous.

 

[Green Goblin]

The feeling I always get with Ray Fisher's tweets is that he has a really inflated sense of self-importance. He's far from crucial to the success of DC Films and I'd say hardly anyone would recognize him if he walked down a regular street in a regular town or city. Even plenty of network TV actors are higher up the Hollywood food chain than him.

He's got a vocal group of fans on twitter for sure but in comparison to a lot of other crowds on the internet I get the sense they are rather small minority.

 

[SupermanFan]

I thought the fandom already didn't like him because he said he liked Infinity War or something similarly ridiculous.

He considers IW & Endgame one movie and he thinks it’s the greatest movie of all-time. That triggered the Snyder Cult. I’m like the man can love what he loves, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t love ZS work.

The feeling I always get with Ray Fisher's tweets is that he has a really inflated sense of self-importance. He's far from crucial to the success of DC Films and I'd say hardly anyone would recognize him if he walked down a regular street in a regular town or city. Even plenty of network TV actors are higher up the Hollywood food chain than him.

He's got a vocal group of fans on twitter for sure but in comparison to a lot of other crowds on the internet I get the sense they are rather small minority.

Yup

 

[Da-Scribe]

Translation: He doesn’t behave the way I want him to for his level of fame and that upsets me.

 

[TheVileOne]

He considers IW & Endgame one movie and he thinks it’s the greatest movie of all-time. That triggered the Snyder Cult. I’m like the man can love what he loves, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t love ZS work.



Yup

The cult Snyder has garnered is ridiculous.

 

[Green Goblin]

Translation: He doesn’t behave the way I want him to for his level of fame and that upsets me.

It's not about how I or others personally feel it's more that he demonstrates a complete lack of self-awareness.

 

[matt47]

With everything going on with Ray right now I can see why he worded tge tweet that way. He just doesnt want anything to be false to his name right now. Which is fair enough.

Did Ray tweet Shawn back after he apologized and removed it? If not then yeah....come on ray.

 

[TheVileOne]

He’s already been getting flack off a section of them because he likes Marvel and they think he’s a fake Snyder fan. It’s so stupid he’s just not obsessed like they are and doesn’t think everything Snyder does is 100% masterful. I swear had one of the crazy ones wrote that book it would have been a disaster.

I think this is modern day with cancel culture in general lol



I’m not sure he’ll bring it up tbh lol

Sounds like a clickbait artist.

 

[Da-Scribe]

It's not about how I or others personally feel it's more that he demonstrates a complete lack of self-awareness.

Why? Because he firmly told someone not to publicly misquote him? So what?

Seems a lot of you just don’t like him because he’s not a big name and doesn’t act the way you want him to. When Jason lashed out on IG over the JL stuff, there was not a single peep from anyone.

 

[SupermanFan]

Why? Because he firmly told someone not to publicly misquote him? So what?

Seems a lot of you just don’t like him because he’s not a big name and doesn’t act the way you want him too. When Jason lashed out on IG over the JL stuff, there was not a single peep from anyone.

You’re making assumptions now.

It’s funny the way you leap to his defence every time he’s called out.

 

[Aurakles]

Easy to see why there are so few whistleblowers.

 

[emielaen]

He considers IW & Endgame one movie and he thinks it’s the greatest movie of all-time. That triggered the Snyder Cult.

Lol that’s a hilarious little excerpt that doesn’t surprise me.

But the greatest movie of all-time huh? To each his own lol

 

[Da-Scribe]

You’re making assumptions now.

It’s funny the way you leap to his defence every time he’s called out.

Seeing as his level of fame is constantly used against him and his behavior constantly policed in this thread, it’s a fair assessment.

And it’s funny how you drag him every time he tweets. What is your point?

 

[SupermanFan]

Seeing as his level of fame is constantly used against him and his behavior constantly policed in this thread, it’s a fair assessment.

And it’s funny how you drag him every time he tweets. What is your point?

He gets dragged because he isn’t clear on stuff. Vague accusations not because he’s not famous.

 

[Da-Scribe]

He gets dragged because he isn’t clear on stuff. Vague accusations not because he’s not famous.

The "he's being too vague" thing has been countered here so many times and is ignored in equal amounts. It's such a tired, silly argument.

 

[Predator jp]

at the very least people are paying attention to Ray and his cause.
when Peter Shinkoda made similar accusations against Jeph Loeb nobody cared lol

 

[chintai80]

at the very least people are paying attention to Ray and his cause.
when Peter Shinkoda made similar accusations against Jeph Loeb nobody cared lol

cuz jeph loeb is right, nobody cares about asian people.

 

[Aurakles]

A few of my previous posts on the "vague" issue.
Think I'm going to save them in a file for when it next comes up.

“The people that have shared their stories with me have put themselves at great risk, both personally and professionally. I will protect them at any cost,” Fisher said. “Hollywood is one of the most retaliatory businesses in the world. One word of you being “difficult” or “uncooperative” could be the end of your career, especially if you’re black.”

This is why he's not giving out full details, because it's not just his story.
Other people have spoken to him and asked him not to reveal their identities. Should he break their trust, publicly reveal things told in confidence and risk these peoples livelihoods to satisfy our curiosity?

Every time I see the phrase "doesn't know how Hollywood works" a chill goes down my spine. The idea that abuse should be excused because it is built into a system is horrifying.

Fisher has said that between the filming of JL and him coming out about this, he had been speaking to people and trying to get other witnesses to speak out. Some did on the condition of anonymity, suggesting that they are afraid for their jobs if they come forward.
If Fisher is responsible for protecting these people's livelihoods, it makes sense he would very cautious about the integrity of the investigator.

I don't think Fishers goal is to send people to prison or get them fired. I think his problem is that abusive behaviour is treated as simply par for the course, that it happens regularly and isn't seen as a problem. He seems to be aiming not at an individual, but a culture. That bad behaviour will not result in action to correct the behaviour but to cover it up.

At Justice Con Fisher said he brought this public now because it took him this long to gather up accounts from others who were there.
From the way he talked there and in his recent video, he's suggesting this isn't about him.
I think much of this happened to lower profile cast and crew who wouldn't be able to gather the kind of public attention Fisher has. It may be that Fisher wasn't so much a victim of abuse as a witness to it. That would explain him not going into detail because he would be exposing others who want to stay anonymous for fear of losing their jobs.

I think when it comes to wanting Fisher to give details, we need to remember this isn't entirely his story to tell.
He has repeatedly referred to other witnesses he got to come forward who want to stay anonymous. My feeling is that Fisher was not the victim of the worst of this but a witness to it.
Fisher is respecting their privacy by not giving details to the public.

 

[SupermanFan]

And here he is again, now saying people need to “reflect” because they want a character that says Booyah to say Booyah. Oh the horror.

The "he's being too vague" thing has been countered here so many times and is ignored in equal amounts. It's such a tired, silly argument.

It really hasn’t though, just because people offer a counter doesn’t mean it’s an acceptable one. And if he can’t revels his intel he shouldn’t be throwing around accusations riling up his online fan base who then go and attack. What he should be doing is keeping that crap to himself and if his fan base do start attacking people he should tell them to act responsible.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Funny how in all those posts you shared @Aurakles , barely any of the folks arguing about vagueness ever seem to engage you.