Reasons for the disappointing numbers-Discussion

[Mysterio]

I think it's fantastic that the best recieved comic book movies in the past 2 years were the non DC and Marvel ones.

yeah, i don't think that holds up under scrutiny. depends on what you mean by best received i suppose.

 

[Mysterio]

This actually isn't good news that both Ghost Rider and FF2 didn't deliver,

Ghost Rider didn't deliver?

Total US Gross $115,802,596
International Gross $108,006,801
Worldwide Gross $223,809,397

Production Budget $55,000,000

 

[Erzengel]

yeah, i don't think that holds up under scrutiny. depends on what you mean by best received i suppose.

Well in terms of gross obviously V for Vendetta doesn't have the numbers that even FF2 has.

However, critically both 300 and V for Vendetta were recieved well. And on sites like RT and IMDB you can see that they get better ratings than the more mainstream comic book movies.

And MilkMan I was referring to 2006 and 2007.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

This actually isn't good news that both Ghost Rider and FF2 didn't deliver, we need good films all the way around, whether it's Marvel or DC.

I agree with you Jeff.

The biggest reason for this film's dissapointing numbers is that the public was burned out by the first film. I distinctly remember users here telling me that there was no real way to guage how the mainstream viewed FF1 when I pointed to polls and reviews showing waning interest. What I feared then has come true and I think we all can admit it now.

When you consider the incredibly exhaustive marketing scheme FOX launched in 2005 vs. that film's poor quality, it isn't exactly difficult to understand why the public is so "Meh" now. This sequel represented the classic example of "Boy Cries Wolf"--people were not trying to be duped a second time. If FF2 had been the first film we'd be in a helluva lot better shape right now.

I hate to say it, but I really believe the interest in this franchise is pretty much dead. There have been on average 7 people viewing these boards during daily hours...and I don't care what anyone says--that IS an indication of interest...especially when compared to other boards' traffic. Hell, my X3 boards get more play and that film came out over a year ago.

 

[Iron Maiden]

I am not ready to throw in the towel just yet.... just roll back the clock 6 months or so to when everyone was pretty much jazzed on the clip with Johnny chasing the Surfer. I think there is a need to get top flight talent in the director's chair and in the screenwriting department. Too bad the Fox Movie division isn't as deep in that area as the television side is, with shows that have taken the crown away from HBO for provocative, adult drama.

 

[Mysterio]

Well in terms of gross obviously V for Vendetta doesn't have the numbers that even FF2 has.

However, critically both 300 and V for Vendetta were received well. And on sites like RT and IMDB you can see that they get better ratings than the more mainstream comic book movies.

And MilkMan I was referring to 2006 and 2007.

like i said, it depends on what you mean by best received... critics, rotten tomatoes score, box office numbers, man on the street, etc. because if you're going by money, Spider-Man 3 is blowing the rest away, as bad as the movie is.

 

[Erzengel]

It's funny Fox's highest grossing movies are the Star Wars movies, even though they were only in charge of releasing it, it just goes to show you how well movies can be when the studios stay out of it. One thing you have to give to Lucas, it is his baby.

 

[Erzengel]

like i said, it depends on what you mean by best received... critics, rotten tomatoes score, box office numbers, man on the street, etc. because if you're going by money, Spider-Man 3 is blowing the rest away, as bad as the movie is.

Then you enter the arguement of quality vs. quantity.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I am not ready to throw in the towel just yet.... just roll back the clock 6 months or so to when everyone was pretty much jazzed on the clip with Johnny chasing the Surfer. I think there is a need to get top flight talent in the director's chair and in the screenwriting department. Too bad the Fox Movie division isn't as deep in that area as the television side is, with shows that have taken the crown away from HBO for provocative, adult drama.

Amen.

I loved FF2. But I am very dissapointed with its performance. Yet in a way, I'm glad it's happening...because I'm hoping it's teaching those suits some lessons. They've NEVER respected this franchise properly...and now they're reaping what they've sown.

 

[Mysterio]

Then you enter the arguement of quality vs. quantity.

you're the one using the nebulous term "best received" with no real attempt to define it. if you're holding up rotten tomatoes and imdb as consensus or proof, well...that's hardly an accurate measure of qualitative analysis.

 

[Bishop2]

I loved FF2. But I am very dissapointed with its performance. Yet in a way, I'm glad it's happening...because I'm hoping it's teaching those suits some lessons. They've NEVER respected this franchise properly...and now they're reaping what they've sown.

I'll tell you right now what I'm betting they're going to take from this "lesson" - they're going to decide that A) Fantastic Four simply can't make the kind of money that an X-Men or Spider-Man does, and B) the first film was obviously superior to the second based on box office returns, therefore any additional attempts should be more like that first one.

 

[Erzengel]

you're the one using the nebulous term "best received" with no real attempt to define it. if you're holding up rotten tomatoes and imdb as consensus or proof, well...that's hardly an accurate measure of qualitative analysis.

There is no real qualitative analysis though, most everything said on these boards are matter of conjecture.

Empire Strikes Back is said to be the best of the Star Wars movies, but all you have is messageboards, IMDB, RT, polls etc. calling it the better of the movies.

I mean in regards to 300 and V, critically better reviews, and from a lot of what you hear and read, not as many complaints as per a Spider-Man 3, or a FF2.

 

[Iron Maiden]

I'll tell you right now what I'm betting they're going to take from this "lesson" - they're going to decide that A) Fantastic Four simply can't make the kind of money that an X-Men or Spider-Man does, and B) the first film was obviously superior to the second based on box office returns, therefore any additional attempts should be more like that first one.

Let's hope not. I'm like Cal, I still am not afraid to admit that I liked FF2. The FF franchise is a lot more "fixable" right now than the first movie. Maybe Rothman needs to get kicked upstairs before that happens though. Neither do I trust Avi Arad to make the right choices for this franchise either.

 

[Erzengel]

I trust more in a reboot, with a different director, cast etc. years from now.

 

[Bishop2]

Let's hope not. I'm like Cal, I still am not afraid to admit that I liked FF2. The FF franchise is a lot more "fixable" right now than the first movie. Maybe Rothman needs to get kicked upstairs before that happens though. Neither do I trust Avi Arad to make the right choices for this franchise either.

Is Arad even still involved now that he's left Marvel Studios?

I'm not afraid to admit that I LOVED FF2. Second only to Die Hard for my summer, but I don't think Fox is going to get the message based on these numbers. And you know they're only going to listen to numbers.

 

[Mercurius]

I still consider the word of mouth damaged it a lot. If people come out of the theatres willing to tell friends it is a must go, it creates a snowball.

I came out with a mind of never watching it again, let alone at the theatre. And many of my friends just said: "Yeah, nice Surfer", and that's it.

They have to build trust from the beginning (and the first one was lame), but when fans watch it and complain that much, something is REALLY wrong.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Is Arad even still involved now that he's left Marvel Studios?

I'm not afraid to admit that I LOVED FF2. Second only to Die Hard for my summer, but I don't think Fox is going to get the message based on these numbers. And you know they're only going to listen to numbers.

Before Avi only served as Executive Producer on the films. Now that he's left as CEO of Marvel, he now serves as full time Producer of Marvel films, so he actually has more power now than before when it comes to the films.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Oh for the love of everything good, please do not let there be a FF3.

Im with you,im tired of Marvel pushing for its films when only Spider-Man does well.Its a huge shame.

I loved FF2. But I am very dissapointed with its performance. Yet in a way, I'm glad it's happening...because I'm hoping it's teaching those suits some lessons. They've NEVER respected this franchise properly...and now they're reaping what they've sown.

I agree,this franchise should have been Marvel`s top film series.But this was not so,its more of a comedy.As others have said before,but i hope with a second dissapointment..this will finally sink in.Even with all of the advertising,that did not do much good.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Boy is this place dead. Where is the interest?

 

[Spider-Fan]

It has shifted to a bunch of robots and a boy wizard

Wish it were more alive...I am tired of discussing BO on this movie only.

 

[Kelly]

It has shifted to a bunch of robots and a boy wizard

Wish it were more alive...I am tired of discussing BO on this movie only.

That's fine, as long as it doesn't turn into a grudge match.....when that happens....its done.



Unfortunately for some, present company not included, thats what it ALWAYS turns in to.....but we can cwertainly try.....

 

[Kelly]

Boy is this place dead. Where is the interest?

Weeeelllll, most of the people that peruse this board have already seen it....in some cases several times, discussed what they saw, and moved on to the other 10 movies out this summer.......it happens.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That's fine, as long as it doesn't turn into a grudge match.....when that happens....its done.



Unfortunately for some, present company not included, thats what it ALWAYS turns in to.....but we can cwertainly try.....

I avoid grudge matches. All movies have a place (even the garbage ones).

Though I look forward to the boy wizard's movie

 

[highguard]

Before Avi only served as Executive Producer on the films. Now that he's left as CEO of Marvel, he now serves as full time Producer of Marvel films, so he actually has more power now than before when it comes to the films.

Ummm, that does not sound quite right, from what I understand his involvement is now determined by the deals he had in place at the time he left Marvel and he has no more power than before, maybe he does not have any less either.

That would not be logical I think.

So he will continue on projects like Xmen, FF, Spiderman and Ghost Rider.

 

[Memphis Slim]

War of the Worlds

KING KONG

THE TRANSFORMERS

Yeah.........menacing giant things don't work on screen.........