The Amazing Spider-Man Reboot composer?

[Vid Electricz]

Elfman's theme was perfectly fine for Raimi's film. What's the obsession with having a "memorable" and "hummable" theme? Who cares? Why does it matter? The music should fit the story being told. Truth be told, I'd rather have a very subtle theme rather than the over-the-top epic scores of Superman and Batman, etc...That doesn't seem to be what Webb is going for with this film, so it would be completely unnecessary and out of place.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Yeah, I don't get the argument that Elfman's theme sucked because you can't hum it. I mean, as iconic as the Superman and Batman (1989) themes are, they're a little bit cheesy. I thought Elfman's score was pretty perfect for the most part. My only problem, as I've stated many times before, was the terrible use of bongo drums and flutes. Wasn't a fan of those.

 

[Oscorp]

Elfman's theme was perfectly fine for Raimi's film. What's the obsession with having a "memorable" and "hummable" theme? Who cares? Why does it matter? The music should fit the story being told. Truth be told, I'd rather have a very subtle theme rather than the over-the-top epic scores of Superman and Batman, etc...That doesn't seem to be what Webb is going for with this film, so it would be completely unnecessary and out of place.

I totally agree with this.

 

[Gunga Diner]

I hum Elfman's Spider-Man theme(s) all the time. They're just longer and more lyrical than the Superman or Batman theme.

The Joker theme from Dark Knight isn't "hummable." NOLAN IS A HACK DIRECTOR WITH UNMEMMORABLE THEMES THE DARK KNIGHT IS CHEESY AND JUVENILE etc

 

[Spiderman6592]

Well...Nolan doesn't write the score...so really it's, "Zimmerman is a hack composer with unmemorable themes. The Dark Knight is cheesy and juvenile etc." But...yeah.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I hum Elfman's Spider-Man theme(s) all the time. They're just longer and more lyrical than the Superman or Batman theme.

This guy disagrees with you

Superman theme song


Batman theme song

 

[Elevator Man]

I hum Elfman's Spider-Man theme(s) all the time. They're just longer and more lyrical than the Superman or Batman theme.

The Joker theme from Dark Knight isn't "hummable." NOLAN IS A HACK DIRECTOR WITH UNMEMMORABLE THEMES THE DARK KNIGHT IS CHEESY AND JUVENILE etc

Yeah I think Elfman's Spider-man scores are very underrated. His Spider-man theme is a lot more complex than Williams' Superman march and Elfman's own Batman theme, imo. Elfman also wrote great themes for Green Golbin and Doc Ock which blows Zimmer's Joker motif out of the water. It's a shame.

I'm still curious about what Horner will come up with but worried at the same time.

 

[spider-neil]

I think first and foremost a score should elicit an emotion from you; fear excitement, elation

I just didn't get that from elfman's score. it was just 'BLAH', I thought elfman had brought his 'A' Game to spider-man 2, most notably the train sequence but it turns out it wasn't even elfman it was chris young.

 

[Spiderman6592]

I dunno about you guys but the score during the opening credits of Spider-Man got me ready for the film. I really can't see how it wouldn't for you.

 

[spider-neil]

I dunno about you guys but the score during the opening credits of Spider-Man got me ready for the film. I really can't see how it wouldn't for you.

to be fair the opening and ending is half decent, especially the final swing.

 

[Elevator Man]

I think first and foremost a score should elicit an emotion from you; fear excitement, elation

I just didn't get that from elfman's score. it was just 'BLAH', I thought elfman had brought his 'A' Game to spider-man 2, most notably the train sequence but it turns out it wasn't even elfman it was chris young.

Young's "Runaway Train" cue was just decent, imo. Sure it captures the suspense and tension of the train being a threat for Spidey & Ock and vice versa. To me it was just keeping up with the action on screen. Which is fine. But I believe Elfman's "Train/Appreciation" cue was more powerful and emotional. And not just action music. Elfman's version of when Spidey got knocked off the train and on to the street. And then swings back catching up with the train was more "heroic", "triumphant", and of course "epic" than Young's. I remember that piece left an impression on me when I first heard it on cd. Young's version of that particular scene felt like "cue the superhero theme". Young's cue to me lacked a lot of things Elfman's had. Especially when Spidey's attempts to save the train to when he actually does. Elfman makes good of his Spidey theme in that part too.

This is a good example of the comparisons of both cues.
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Sure Elfman's track could've been a little bit more suspenseful. But he could've written an alternate track. It's kind of hard to do that though when Raimi didn't bother showing up during the scoring sessions. And giving Elfman his input. Overall I think Elfman wrote the better cue. He was trying to capture not only the action on screen but was telling a story through his music. Instead of just making a lot noise. It was mostly capturing Spidey's point of view to stop Ock and saving the train from danger. The track might've been too much for the film b/c after all it's just an action scene. But I still prefer his track to Young's.

 

[Marvel Spider]

I prefer Young's version of that scene. The intensity of it, the suspense....it just worked better than Elfman's version on that particular part, IMO.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

Young did SM2? I thought he only did SM3...

 

[Marvel Spider]

I think it was both Elfman and Young on SM2, with only Young on SM3.

 

[Elevator Man]

Actually Young only re-scored "The Demonstration" sequence (Ock revealing his tentacles, his fusion reactor, and the chaos that follows) and of course the "Train Sequence". John Debney re-scored the first half of the pizza delivery scene (Peter delivering the pizza on his moped). But as soon as Spidey tries to deliver the pizza on time. The rest of Elfman's original cue was intact. Debney also re-scored the cake girl scene.

Also want to add that Deborah Lurie and John Debney re-scored some scenes trom Spider-man 3 using some of Elfman's themes from the previous films.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I'm still looking for the john debney version of "peter's turmoil'

cake girl, as written in SM2.

I love it.

I have the first two complete scores, and a majority of SM3, but I can't find that one cue.
l:

 

[Spiderman6592]

I like Young's version of the train sequence. It fits the desperateness of the situation much better. And I dislike how often Elfman incorporates Spider-Man's theme into it. I mean it's a cool touch every once in a while but it got so repetitive in that scene in particular.

 

[Elevator Man]

I like Young's version of the train sequence. It fits the desperateness of the situation much better. And I dislike how often Elfman incorporates Spider-Man's theme into it. I mean it's a cool touch every once in a while but it got so repetitive in that scene in particular.

I like the way Elfman captured how brave and heroic Spidey was while trying to save the train (in all of Spidey's three attempts) with his music. Not only he was capturing the action on screen but also what was going on in Spidey's head in that moment, imo. That's why I prefer his cue to Young's also. B/c Elfman made clever use of his Spidey theme. He used the theme in different ways. While Young was highlighting only the suspense and action on screen. But not what's going on in Peter's head as he's trying to stop the train. Plus I can actually tell what's going on when I listen to Elfman's cue without the images. Especially around the part where he saves the two passengers as they were getting thrown by Ock to when the passengers gave Spidey his mask back at the end. I like that he was able to tell a story with his music in an action scene. It makes his music feel like more than just action and suspense music. It's also one of Elfman's best action cues, imo.

 

[Marvel Spider]

I like Young's version of the train sequence. It fits the desperateness of the situation much better. And I dislike how often Elfman incorporates Spider-Man's theme into it. I mean it's a cool touch every once in a while but it got so repetitive in that scene in particular.

Agreed. It really gets annoying. I like Elfman's score, but I just think Young's music fits better in that scene.

 

[spider-neil]

I don't think elfman's train sequence theme fits the scene at all. young's score is a lot more kenetic and has more punch.

anyway back to horner, major coup. he is in my top five scores of all time.
my top 5 scores are as follows;

1. star wars
2. blade runner
3. raiders
4. superman
5. ST: 2 wrath of kane

so only securing williams would have made me happier

 

[Pho3nix]

My thoughts? Would love to hear Randy Edelman's take on it.

 

[Gianakin_]

Horner? They got Horner? Oy... he destroyed ST2 and 3's music, imo. And if that f**ker uses the "Here come the Greeks (Troy)/ here comes the sniper (Enemy at the Gates)/ here comes the military guy who killed my brother (Mask of Zorro)/ here come the Unobtainium miners (Avatar)" or the "48 Hrs/ Commando" music tracks again, I'll murder him.

Other than that... best of luck. Certainly could've picked someone better, certainly could've picked someone worse.

 

[Elevator Man]

Horner? They got Horner? Oy... he destroyed ST2 and 3's music, imo.

He didn't destroy the ST2 and 3's music. It's better than a lot of scores today. Especially the ones by the MV/RC guys.

And if that f**ker uses the "Here come the Greeks (Troy)/ here comes the sniper (Enemy at the Gates)/ here comes the military guy who killed my brother (Mask of Zorro)/ here come the Unobtainium miners (Avatar)" or the "48 Hrs/ Commando" music tracks again, I'll murder him.

Kidding around or not. You're willing to commit murder if he sounds like any of those scores. Amazing what people will say on the internet and go as far as to make threats b/c a composer you dislike is scoring a movie you're anticipating. It's not the end of the world. You seriously got a problem if you're willing to murder someone. Especially over something as little as this. Face it his ASM score will eventually sound like a previous score of his. It's inevitable. Get over it. And hope for the best.

Other than that... best of luck. Certainly could've picked someone better, certainly could've picked someone worse.

I'll admit I'm not crazy about Horner scoring this but it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Zimmer or any MV/RC composer (excluding Powell) scoring this. Which could've been worse, imo.

 

[Arya]

I know this ultimately nothing more than opinion, but I see Horner as a repetitive, obviously overrated hack who's got nothing on Zimmer. Gianakin is totally right. I'll add that we may get the corniest Gwen love theme ever imagined.

p.s. And you may want to evaluate your skills to identify figurative speech. I'm sure nobody is willing to kill Horner here. I just hope you didn't dial 911.

 

[Spiderman6592]

I'm willing to wait and see. While Horner's scores are repetitive, there has never been a Horner score I outright disliked. Very much like Elfman's. They're all pretty similar, but they all have distinct differences that set them apart and continue to make them enjoyable.