Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[Wally West]

if SR budget is somewhere around 220-240 millions then wouldnt this mean that the budget for ST was 100 millions?

i mean WTF?

Superman Returns budget is listed on boxofficemojo.com as being $270 million. Star Trek' budget was $150 million.

 

[SuperDaniel]

We couldn't have come up with SR, because it's probably autobiographical. Jason represents Bryan Singer, an Superman and Lois Lane represent his mom and dad.

That's why it sucked.

 

[dark_b]

Superman Returns budget is listed on boxofficemojo.com as being $270 million. Star Trek' budget was $150 million.

mojo has it wrong since they are using the budgets from burton,....

star trek's budget was higher.

 

[Angeloz]

Superman Returns budget is listed on boxofficemojo.com as being $270 million. Star Trek' budget was $150 million.

mojo has it wrong since they are using the budgets from burton,....

star trek's budget was higher.

Yep. It's been debunked so many times.

Since Trek was mentioned all I want to say is I can't wait for this crappier version to die. Can't happen soon enough. I don't care about the money and never will.

Angeloz

 

[Angeloz]

You mean Superman didn't end up with Batman...

Angeloz

 

[stargazer]

To a point. I'd say "after-market" reaction holds more water for franchises today. Which is to refer to the anticipation level of the mainstream/geekdom, long after the movie's release hype has died down. Staying-value, I guess you would call it.

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Well, SR had solid sales on dvd. I really think that people like you are just proyecting your dislike for this movie; you really don't know how the mainstream feel. I mean, did you ask every one who went to watch the film?

Sure, I know lots of geeks didn't love the movie.. but the mainstream is another thing. SR got mostly good reviews, and some of them were even great. That means to me that people liked the movie but wanted more action in general, which could have been done in an action-packed sequel.

But this is WB we are talking about... I also think the legal battle has a lot to do with WB not making another S movie.

Superman Returns grossed $391 million world wide - Star Trek grossed $382 million world wide. The budget for Star Trek was 120 million dollars less than SR...it was indisputably a success. The film was extremely well recieved by critics as well as audiences. Soon the DVD will hit stores and the people who missed out in theaters will find out how good it was, which will raise anticipation for it's sequel even further. That franchise is in great shape. The Superman franchise (SR continuity at least) is not in very good shape right now to say the least...

SR also had very good reviews, and audiences? What do you mean by that? Did you ask every one who went to watch the movie? haha, more people went to see SR than ST.

more people want a star trek sequel then a superman sequel.
people smiled when they walked to the car and talked about what happened in the movie.i dont think this happened with SR. not saying that they were sad. but they were not jumping happy around because superman has a son.

and as you like to always mention the BO for SR for a lot of movies i remember very good that you also like to mention reviews.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_11/


BO matters. but the budget for star trek was huge. like with SR. and is it just me or was in ST more action on an epic scale. where in SR he lifted a rock

thank you.

You mean, more geeks want to see a ST sequel. I don't think we have enough evidence on how the mainstream really feel, at least not yet. And I smiled after watching SR. My sister did too. LOL

And SR was a character-driven film, still it made more at the BO than ST, which was all full on action. Now imagine an action-packed sequel. I think it could have been great.

the sad thing is that Superman Returns feel so irrevlent. I don't dislike the movie but man, it just feels irrelevant to the masses, and Superman shouldn't be like that.

You mean to you.

 

[Showtime]

Superman Returns budget is listed on boxofficemojo.com as being $270 million. Star Trek' budget was $150 million.

Both just a tad off...

 

[Wheels]

You mean Superman didn't end up with Batman...

Angeloz

I've heard he and Superman Proxy have had some romantic encounters....

 

[BlackLantern]

You mean Superman didn't end up with Batman...

Angeloz

hahaha....for some reason, I think Bruce would be the chick in that relationship

 

[GreenKToo]

I know some here loved SR, but honestly, its prolly only about 50/50 with the GP.
It just didnt strike a chord with them, if it had of, we would be discussing a sequel to it by now because it WOULD have made more money.. and yes, they could have made a sequel by now before all this legal crap happened.

As for as SR's critical rating, I dont care if it would have gotten a 100% on RT, nothing speaks louder than a film's BO to the studio's. Yeah yeah, S.R. made more than B.B. you say. Well, the public and the fans for the most part loved B.B. and the interest was very much there for a TDK.

If SR had of made 250 dom, I dare say a sequel would have happened, but it didnt.

And as for Trek. well again I say I bet it gets a sequel before another Superman film is made.

 

[stargazer]

I think my problem with Superman Returns was that it had great ideas but nothing was explored. NOr was it progressive in the right way: the kid for example.

I disagree. I think the opposite actually.

Elliot S! Maggin (a great Superman writer) also loved how SR progressed the character,


Q: Finally, what did you think of 2006's "Superman Returns"? Any thoughts on TV's "Smallville"?
A: I liked Superman Returns. They did two things really deftly: (1) they dealt effectively with Superman's absence the day the Trade Center fell, much better than we ever did justifying his apparent absence during World War II, and (2) the disposition of the relationship with Lois was, I thought, just perfect and appropriately bittersweet. I hope the movie continuity progresses from that point.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/interviews/interviews-intro.php?topic=c-interview_maggin


IDEAS: Have you seen the new film? What did you think?
MAGGIN: I loved it! Isn't that appalling? There have been dozens of us writing this character over the past 70 years, and what the makers of this movie did was take the questions we've been asking and begin to answer them. I don't want to spoil it, but they resolved the Lois and Superman relationship much better than I would have ever had the chance to do. And I was glad to have Clark back to being bumbling, because that's the way I used to write him. The manners are the disguise, not the glasses or the clothes, and Brandon Routh did a great job with that.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2006/07/09/qa_with_elliot_s_maggin/

 

[VenomsMom]

I know some here loved SR, but honestly, its prolly only about 50/50 with the GP.
It just didnt strike a chord with them, if it had of, we would be discussing a sequel to it by now because it WOULD have made more money.. and yes, they could have made a sequel by now before all this legal crap happened.

As for as SR's critical rating, I dont care if it would have gotten a 100% on RT, nothing speaks louder than a film's BO to the studio's. Yeah yeah, S.R. made more than B.B. you say. Well, the public and the fans for the most part loved B.B. and the interest was very much there for a TDK.

If SR had of made 250 dom, I dare say a sequel would have happened, but it didnt.

And as for Trek. well again I say I bet it gets a sequel before another Superman film is made.

Spoken like someone who understands how this works and I agree. All this stuff about well recieved reviews and what we think the GA felt after seeing the movie is irrelevant. The studio heads have said they did not like the way the character was positioned and will go a different route. 3 years later and still talkin about what the next step will be. That alone should tell everyone of us something.

 

[DA Dent]

Any Superman movie would've made a huge box office based on the Superman name alone. “Batman and Robin” also made it huge at the box office.

 

[GreenKToo]

I like him and all but my opinion is all that matters to me.
Miracle monday is awesome.

 

[Showtime]

I know some here loved SR, but honestly, its prolly only about 50/50 with the GP.
It just didnt strike a chord with them, if it had of, we would be discussing a sequel to it by now because it WOULD have made more money.. and yes, they could have made a sequel by now before all this legal crap happened.

As for as SR's critical rating, I dont care if it would have gotten a 100% on RT, nothing speaks louder than a film's BO to the studio's. Yeah yeah, S.R. made more than B.B. you say. Well, the public and the fans for the most part loved B.B. and the interest was very much there for a TDK.

If SR had of made 250 dom, I dare say a sequel would have happened, but it didnt.

And as for Trek. well again I say I bet it gets a sequel before another Superman film is made.

It's all about the general public and the domestic box office take. WB projected 225-235 Million. At this point, who knows when we will see a new Superman film.

 

[stargazer]

I know some here loved SR, but honestly, its prolly only about 50/50 with the GP.
It just didnt strike a chord with them, if it had of, we would be discussing a sequel to it by now because it WOULD have made more money.. and yes, they could have made a sequel by now before all this legal crap happened.

As for as SR's critical rating, I dont care if it would have gotten a 100% on RT, nothing speaks louder than a film's BO to the studio's. Yeah yeah, S.R. made more than B.B. you say. Well, the public and the fans for the most part loved B.B. and the interest was very much there for a TDK.

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There was lots of interest in a sequel by many fans and people in general, BUT WB ruined all of that with the constant stalling. That's it.

Things would have been SO different IF the sequel had come out this year as initially planned.

All you see now is pure revisionist history at its best.

 

[GreenKToo]

There was lots of interest in a sequel by many fans and people in general, BUT WB ruined all of that with the constant stalling. That's it.

Things would have been SO different IF the sequel had come out this year as initially planned.

All you see now is pure revisionist history at its best.

I dont think W.B. ruined it, well to an extent they did, they and B.S.
Bryan for his story and lack of action, and WB for thinking it would be a hit and greenlighting it.
Whats done is done now tho. I'm pretty much resigned to to the fact that it will be YEARS before we see another Superman film. oh well.

 

[Timstuff]

Well, SR had solid sales on dvd.

Not really. 2 years after it released the Wal-Mart were I worked had a few hundred DVD copies of it, and they were only able to move roughly 1/3 of them. To this day, they STILL have at least 100 copies left from that first shipment that have not sold, even though they marked down to 5 dollars. I remember the electronics dept. manager was always complaining about how they always had trouble finding places to stash them, since they clog up a lot of shelf space and no-one buys them.

 

[stargazer]

I dont think W.B. ruined it, well to an extent they did, they and B.S.
Bryan for his story and lack of action, and WB for thinking it would be a hit and greenlighting it.
Whats done is done now tho. I'm pretty much resigned to to the fact that it will be YEARS before we see another Superman film. oh well.

Superman Returns was a solid hit. It made nearly $400 mil ww and got good reviews.

They should have built on that. I mean, it's not like getting Superman movies off the ground is an easy thing for WB to do..


ugh, I'm out of here. Good luck, guys, hope you get the movie you want.. At least I got a great movie in SR. A movie I'll be able to watch over and over, and a part of the Donnerverse; best incarnation of this character ever, IMO.

 

[GreenKToo]

If i'm not mistaken, B.B.'s DvD sales is what convinced W.B. to make a sequel. anybody?

 

[GreenKToo]

Superman Returns was a solid hit. It made nearly $400 mil ww and got good reviews.

They should have built on that. I mean, it's not like getting Superman movies off the ground is an easy thing for WB to do..

ugh, I'm out of here. Good luck, guys, hope you get the movie you want. At least I GOT great movie in SR.

BUT, it didnt have good WoM. Fans didnt care for it for the most part either. You cant build a franchise around that.
I understand. It seems there is not much reason to hang out here if a film isnt going to happen.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

If i'm not mistaken, B.B.'s DvD sales is what convinced W.B. to make a sequel. anybody?

Supposedly. Regardless, wasn't WB ready to move on a SR sequel but then Singer decided to do Valkyrie instead?

I swear all this Superman drama is ****ing absurd. Between the legal battles and WB's indecision on what to do next, this has become such a ****** time to be a fan of Superman. This is Superman for christ's sake! Not some second rate character. This is the biggest superhero of all time. It's absolutely baffling the character is in the hell that he is in now.

WB needs to get their act together with this character or perhaps WB losing him completely would be the best thing to happen to us fans.

 

[Showtime]

For the sequel to happen it would have had to go forward right away. It was all about timing.

 

[GreenKToo]

I hate to pour salt in the wound, but a hancock sequel is supposedly in the works, or talked about anyway.

 

[Showtime]

That won't happen.