Return of the Jedi

[November Rain]

I think considering what came before it, ROTS did a far superior job of ending its trilogy than ROTJ did of ending its own.

truth be fair, i think under a microscope both trilogies are fairly similar, I think nostalgia has a part to play in the perception of the prequels as well as the fact we all know how it's supposed to turn out and hence have constructed are own views on how this happens.

saying this, i feel all three original star wars films are highly overrated.

 

[Kmack]

I actually thought Return of the Jedi was kinda lame compared to its predecessors. And btw ROTS > ROTJ

 

[Red Mask]

I just finished watching Jedi on Cinemax. It's been a while since I last saw the film so hence why I just realized this.

I love Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. Yet I was never too crazy about Jedi. It's good but not...great...you know? It has a lot of flaws and I wasn't too crazy about how somethings were handled.

But, even with all the flaws this movie has it still is a hundred times better than the Prequels. Even better than Revenge of the Sith. Although Sith has a better ending. lol. The party with the "Teddy Bears" was one of the things I wasn't too crazy about. lol.

Dude, 'Jedi' was when they finally take down Vader and the Emperor. Of course that's more exciting than seeing them rise to power.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I actually loved episode 6. Ok I am not gonna say which was best for the time, but which in my opinion I liked was...(1-10, 1 being greatest)
1. ROTJ -Great finish and Classic Moments (Unmasking of Vader)
2. ROTS -Great Cliffhanger and Classic Moments (Masking of Vader)
3. ESB -Great Cliffhanger
4. TPM -Nice start
5. ANH -Nice intro to Luke, a little boring though
6. AOTC -It was nice, great action, nice Yoda battle but it was kindof the episode where things are getting revealed little by little. It was only like an informational episode.

Anyways, thats just my opinion which I am entitled to

 

[FOG3]

Come on, the end to ROTS is not better than ROTJ. ROTJ is one of the most classic endings ever. Its my fav out of the trilogy because Luke comes into his own, Jabba's palace is awesome, Luke/Vader fight is my fav out of the series, and like everyone's been saying - its the most fun movie in the trilogy. Maybe you guys are watching the redone versions which I never ever bought and never ever will. Screw those, putting in new Anakin's ghost at the end is disgraceful and I would imagine takes away from the emotional impact of seeing Vader's real face, one of my personal favorite scenes in any movie ever.

And ragging on the movie because of Ewoks is super cliche. Theyre not that bad.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

And ragging on the movie because of Ewoks is super cliche. Theyre not that bad.

Yes they are. When Leia's sitting there offering Wicket a candy bar, and that whimsical music starts up, and he waddles over? It's that bad.

Plus, none of their mouths can move so for some realism they inexplicably shove their tongues in and out of the little mouth hole. Now think of scores of how sweaty midgets in fur suits with days worth of dried saliva in their sweaty little midget masks.
It's criminal.

 

[Ben Urich]

I actually loved episode 6. Ok I am not gonna say which was best for the time, but which in my opinion I liked was...(1-10, 1 being greatest)
1. ROTJ -Great finish and Classic Moments (Unmasking of Vader)
2. ROTS -Great Cliffhanger and Classic Moments (Masking of Vader)
3. ESB -Great Cliffhanger
4. TPM -Nice start
5. ANH -Nice intro to Luke, a little boring though
6. AOTC -It was nice, great action, nice Yoda battle but it was kindof the episode where things are getting revealed little by little. It was only like an informational episode.

Anyways, thats just my opinion which I am entitled to

 

[thedeadite]

i'm interested in seeing how people look at the entire saga as a whole in about 10-20 years. I can almost guarantee that perceptions (even in the geek world) will be different than they are now. As i remember (though i was rather young) there were hardcore fans of Star Wars that weren't too keen on Empire and Jedi when they first came out (Jedi in particular...ewoks etc...).


p.s. - in my opinion i still like the OT better...but find great enjoyment in all episodes of the PT as well.

 

[The Kid]

That depends on how many more different versions lucas keeps churning out.

I laugh at all the people wasting internet time arguing over how everything fits in continuity throughout the saga, from yoda looking like a crack head in tpm all the way to leia's memories of Natalie Portman.

What's the point? We only really saw a work print at the theater. Lucas' capricious tinkering will forever make everything that supposedly happens in his films, indefinite. So there IS NO saga, just a rough outline of events that are vaguely connected and are going to be changed in later versions. It's just a beta release. So I don't get too worked up over it anymore. Life's too short.

 

[November Rain]

everybody kill Weyseed!!!!!!!!!!!!1



*grabs sharp implement*

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

We only really saw a work print at the theater.

lol

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Wilhelm-Scream, your upside down tiger avatar looks kinda like a scorpion

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

or a demon bunny

 

[Kevin Roegele]

yes the prequel trilogy wanted to make the jedi the defacto SUPER-HEROES of the star wars universe

Exactly. In the prequels, there was no magic to the Jedi, no mystery. Obviously Lucas' ideas about them changed over the years, and in the prequels there is a strong knights of the round table element to them. Fair enough, but when you have gone from Alec Guiness' whispering cryptically about some thing called 'the Force'.....to Liam Neeson almost looking at the camera to explain it in My First Science Manual terms....then you've lost something.

 

[Catman]

^Agreed.

 

[Rez]

First things first, that demon bunny is ****ing SCARY.

On to RotJ...

There's one reason I don't like this film as much. And it's not the Ewoks. That's right. Not the Ewoks. Hell, I even like them.
What dissapoints me is the battle on Endor.
It feels so week, so minimal, looks terrible, and lacks any sense of urgency. When you have the other 2 climaxes be so fantastic- that simply MASSIVE space battle and LUKE vs VADER in front of the frickin EMPORER! what do we have to cut back and forth to?
A couple guys running around a forrest. Han and Leia sitting next to a door.
I mean, at first it seems like we're in for a treat. You see Han and Leia, and maybe 15 or 20 Rebel Soldiers get captured and taken outside to this seemingly MASSIVE army. Then the Ewoks pop up, and I think to myself- cool! A thousand Ewoks facing off against hundreds of Imperial troops, with our heroes in the middle!
But that's not what we got. In fact, in mere seconds, the massive armies seem to go down to a dozen or so men, tops. Leia and Han sit next to a door, An AT-ST is squished, one ewok dies, and Tarzan is played by a wookie. It's just a total let down, especially when you see what kind of ground battle they've accomplished before in ESB. I mean that thing is epic. My favourite scene out of all of Star Wars, the battle for Hoth.
And we get to this grand finale on Endor and it literally feels smaller than the escape scene on the Death Star in the first movie. It looks and feels like a couple guys facing off against a couple more guys, with a few teddy bears thrown in. And that's where my displeasure comes in. Because for one shot, when they are walked out of the bunker, it looks like there is going to be one huge, desperate battle.

 

[kit1982]

The bit where the two Ewoks get hit by that explosion and one of them dies, but his mate tries to get him up now that tugged on my heart strings probably more so than the Luke and Vader ending... how sad is that?!

 

[Catman]

First things first, that demon bunny is ****ing SCARY.

On to RotJ...

There's one reason I don't like this film as much. And it's not the Ewoks. That's right. Not the Ewoks. Hell, I even like them.
What dissapoints me is the battle on Endor.
It feels so week, so minimal, looks terrible, and lacks any sense of urgency. When you have the other 2 climaxes be so fantastic- that simply MASSIVE space battle and LUKE vs VADER in front of the frickin EMPORER! what do we have to cut back and forth to?
A couple guys running around a forrest. Han and Leia sitting next to a door.
I mean, at first it seems like we're in for a treat. You see Han and Leia, and maybe 15 or 20 Rebel Soldiers get captured and taken outside to this seemingly MASSIVE army. Then the Ewoks pop up, and I think to myself- cool! A thousand Ewoks facing off against hundreds of Imperial troops, with our heroes in the middle!
But that's not what we got. In fact, in mere seconds, the massive armies seem to go down to a dozen or so men, tops. Leia and Han sit next to a door, An AT-ST is squished, one ewok dies, and Tarzan is played by a wookie. It's just a total let down, especially when you see what kind of ground battle they've accomplished before in ESB. I mean that thing is epic. My favourite scene out of all of Star Wars, the battle for Hoth.
And we get to this grand finale on Endor and it literally feels smaller than the escape scene on the Death Star in the first movie. It looks and feels like a couple guys facing off against a couple more guys, with a few teddy bears thrown in. And that's where my displeasure comes in. Because for one shot, when they are walked out of the bunker, it looks like there is going to be one huge, desperate battle.

I hate Ewoks, but yeah, what you stated is correct. That's one of the things I disliked about Return of the Jedi. I always felt more interested in what was going on between Luke and Vadar than everything else. So, when they were cutting back and forth I was like, "why? just stick to Luke and Vadar."

 

[Gallagher]

The Star Wars Saga is my favorite film series of all time. ROTJ was my favorite as a child, however rewatching Empire when i was about 12 really opened my eyes to how damn fantastic that film is, an excellent, story, excellent acting, pacing, the revlation, the cliff hanger. all make ESB my favorite film of all time. Yet every now and then i start to stray towards Jedi being the best, it had the most action, Luke was a jedi, the final confrontation with his own father, the Emperor! Ian McDiamid should of won an award for his role, amazing, truly brilliant, the best performance in both trilogies 2nd only to alec guiness' Ben Kenobi. Revenge of the Sith, was the prequels 'Empire' it was dark, depressing and had an excellent ending (the echoing of luke staring off at the twin suns in ANH) part of me thinks ROTJ ROTS and ESB are all equal. but for different reasons.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

.....to Liam Neeson almost looking at the camera to explain it in My First Science Manual terms

LOL

Man I'd love to see that.

 

[jrpstarwars]

I agree the party at the end of ROTJ was not good.

 

[jrpstarwars]

I have yet to watch all 6 films in order but here is how I rank them as of now:

1. Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
2. Episode V: Empire Strikes Back
3. Episode IV: A New Hope
4. Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
5. Episode II: Attack of the Clones
6. Episode I: The Phantom Menace

ROTJ would be #2 if not for the Ewoks and that gay celebration at the end.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I have yet to watch all 6 films in order but here is how I rank them as of now:

1. Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
2. Episode V: Empire Strikes Back
3. Episode IV: A New Hope
4. Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
5. Episode II: Attack of the Clones
6. Episode I: The Phantom Menace

ROTJ would be #2 if not for the Ewoks and that gay celebration at the end.

Let's not use 'gay' as a derogative term.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

i loved parts of this film and dont like other parts so much. but i still think revenge is a better movie.

 

[Catman]

I agree the party at the end of ROTJ was not good.

Thank you for bringing back an old thread.