Return of the Jedi special edition ramblings

[Timstuff]

Why would it heal him? Even if it did heal him, where did he get the hair and robes??

Um, hello? He's one with the force. The body that was scarred and mutilated doesn't exist anymore.

 

[StarWarsAgent]

Ghosts don't age in the netherworld. So, Lucas using the old Anakin was a mistake in the first place.

The correction had to be done. Ghosts never age..Plus they aren't even there..Luke Used the force to see into their world, they didn't really appear.. He saw his father.. an old Anakin because that's the way he saw him before he died. When he unmasked Vader he had that old man's face burned into his mental picture..So that's what he saw.

The younger Anakin is what the Audience should see.

Hope that explains it.

SWA

 

[Apellation]

Ghosts don't age in the netherworld. So, Lucas using the old Anakin was a mistake in the first place.

The correction had to be done. Ghosts never age..Plus they aren't even there..Luke Used the force to see into their world, they didn't really appear.. He saw his father.. an old Anakin because that's the way he saw him before he died. When he unmasked Vader he had that old man's face burned into his mental picture..So that's what he saw.

The younger Anakin is what the Audience should see.

Hope that explains it.

SWA

That's not an explanation. That's your interpretation.

 

[StarWarsAgent]

That's not an explanation. That's your interpretation.

Do I have to meet you guys in person and show you the book?

it's in the screenplay and in the book. I have the official CANON ROTJ book always handy for something like this.

From the novel.

"For an evanescent moment, looking into the bonfire, Luke thought he saw faces dancing-Yoda, Ben; Was that his father? He drew away from his companions, to try to see what the faces were saying; They were ephemeral, and spoke only to the shadows of the flames, and then dissapeared altogether."

Pg. 181


Hope this ends all arguments.

SWA

 

[sithgoblin]

Ghosts don't age in the netherworld. So, Lucas using the old Anakin was a mistake in the first place.

The correction had to be done. Ghosts never age..Plus they aren't even there..Luke Used the force to see into their world, they didn't really appear.. He saw his father.. an old Anakin because that's the way he saw him before he died. When he unmasked Vader he had that old man's face burned into his mental picture..So that's what he saw.

The younger Anakin is what the Audience should see.

Hope that explains it.

SWA

No, because the shot is a POV shot. We see what Luke sees.

 

[StarWarsAgent]

No, because the shot is a POV shot. We see what Luke sees.

Prove it.

 

[sithgoblin]

Prove it.

It's standard, universal filmmaking technique, and at no point in any of the star wars films did the audience see something that the characters didn't see.

 

[StarWarsAgent]

It's standard, universal filmmaking technique, and at no point in any of the star wars films did the audience see something that the characters didn't see.

Wrong again kid. The audience didn't see Yoda looking at Qui-Gon on the Polis Asteroid station in ROTS. They had a conversation. When Yoda tells Obi Wan that he has training for him, Qui-Gon was standing there. But you didn't see him, Only Yoda could. We don't see what Luke see's, we see what Lucas want's us to see, because that's the effects they had during the time. Because it would be very hard to see Luke talking to himself, the ghosts are there to help the audience understand the interaction between them. But note that Leia never see's the ghosts.

 

[sithgoblin]

Wrong again kid. The audience didn't see Yoda looking at Qui-Gon on the Polis Asteroid station in ROTS. They had a conversation. When Yoda tells Obi Wan that he has training for him, Qui-Gon was standing there. But you didn't see him, Only Yoda could.

Who says Qui Gon was standing there?

We don't see what Luke see's, we see what Lucas want's us to see, because that's the effects they had during the time. Because it would be very hard to see Luke talking to himself, the ghosts are there to help the audience understand the interaction between them. But note that Leia never see's the ghosts.

I know Leia and Han, etc. couldn't see the ghosts. Luke was obviously the only person who could see them, and the audience saw what he saw. The audience are not a seperate entity within the Star Wars films.

 

[StarWarsAgent]

Who says Qui Gon was standing there?

I know Leia and Han, etc. couldn't see the ghosts. Luke was obviously the only person who could see them, and the audience saw what he saw. The audience are not a seperate entity within the Star Wars films.

Alright, whatever. we are getting too distracted here..the point is..the younger Anakin version is more suitable(Fits with the PT).

Luke could have seen a Ghost of Big Bird, for all I know.

 

[sithgoblin]

Alright, whatever. we are getting too distracted here..the point is..the younger Anakin version is more suitable(Fits with the PT).

Getting distracted from what? We are completely on topic. And I ask again: who says Qui Gon was standing there?

Luke could have seen a Ghost of Big Bird, for all I know.

No, you know what ghost Luke saw, because that's the ghost we all saw.

 

[StarWarsAgent]

Getting distracted from what? We are completely on topic. And I ask again: who says Qui Gon was standing there?

No, you know what ghost Luke saw, because that's the ghost we all saw.

Just go to B&N and get a copy of a book called "Revenge of the Sith"

 

[Timstuff]

Ghosts don't age in the netherworld. So, Lucas using the old Anakin was a mistake in the first place.

The correction had to be done. Ghosts never age..Plus they aren't even there..Luke Used the force to see into their world, they didn't really appear.. He saw his father.. an old Anakin because that's the way he saw him before he died. When he unmasked Vader he had that old man's face burned into his mental picture..So that's what he saw.

The younger Anakin is what the Audience should see.

Hope that explains it.

SWA

Okay, then by you logic, why is Obi-Wan still an old man as a ghost?

 

[Superhobo]

Ooh, SNAP!

 

[Swordmaster]

Just go to B&N and get a copy of a book called "Revenge of the Sith"

You are incorrect there. I have read said novelization, and it clearly states that Qui-Gon's training is incomplete. He could not become a Force ghost, he could only project his voice into the physical realm. And don't even try to dispute it. It's in freaking ink.

 

[bluejake01]

Prove it.

There is nothing to prove...it's standard film-making language...and considering Lucas didn't direct the film, or write it, it is a lame argument to say the audience sees what Lucas wanted them to see. The audience saw a POV shot, we as the audience shared the moment with Luke. Luke has never seen young Anakin, and shouldn't have seen him even then.

 

[JackBauer]

Ghosts don't age in the netherworld. So, Lucas using the old Anakin was a mistake in the first place.

The correction had to be done. Ghosts never age..Plus they aren't even there..Luke Used the force to see into their world, they didn't really appear.. He saw his father.. an old Anakin because that's the way he saw him before he died. When he unmasked Vader he had that old man's face burned into his mental picture..So that's what he saw.

The younger Anakin is what the Audience should see.

Hope that explains it.

SWA

so, ghosts don't age, but they de-age?

how's like in Bizarro World?

 

[StarWarsAgent]

You are incorrect there. I have read said novelization, and it clearly states that Qui-Gon's training is incomplete. He could not become a Force ghost, he could only project his voice into the physical realm. And don't even try to dispute it. It's in freaking ink.

Quote the book. Prove it.

 

[Morg]

sithgoblin, I better not see another post like that

 

[Swordmaster]

Quote the book. Prove it.

As you wish:

In a glass observation dome on a medical station in the Polis Massa Belt, Yoda speaks to The Force as he has done for a long time. The Force answers him with the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn.

Qui-Gon Jinn tells Yoda not to blame himself for what happened but Yoda insists that he had been too old, too rigid, he had not noticed the changes in the galaxy...

Yoda had not let The Order change with it, he never learnt the full depth of The Force. Qui-Gon defends the old Master. He also suggests that Yoda will have a lot of time to learn the ways of the Force and - with his help - he will be able to join with The Force and yet retain his consciousness and in time, maybe even physical form.

However, this sounds to Yoda like the idea of eternal life. Qui-Gon agrees and reminds him that eternal life is exactly what the Sith are looking for, but they'll never find it...

Qui-Gon states: "...by the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness."

Yoda admits he underestimated Qui-Gon's potential as a Jedi Master.

So Yoda decides to learn from Qui-Gon. Bowing, he declares,

"Qui-Gon, your apprentice, I gratefully become."

 

[Kevin Roegele]

When Yoda tells Obi Wan that he has training for him, Qui-Gon was standing there. But you didn't see him, Only Yoda could.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

There is nothing to prove...it's standard film-making language...and considering Lucas didn't direct the film, or write it, it is a lame argument to say the audience sees what Lucas wanted them to see. The audience saw a POV shot, we as the audience shared the moment with Luke. Luke has never seen young Anakin, and shouldn't have seen him even then.

It's not Luke's POV, the three Jedi ghosts don't smile directly AT THE CAMERA - they all look to the left of the screen. Actually in the second shot of them, Hayden DOES look at the camera.....and in the third shot, they are all looking at the camera, despite the fcat Luke has turned away.