Riots in Missouri - Part 1

[SuperJediHero]

I wonder how many posters here even actually understand the due process at all?

I myself not even close to an expert, understand it's never just a matter of several hours, or few days for court.

It take much longer than that, court process is slow!

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Not perfect, just not someone who just robbed a convenience store. I think there's a pretty broad spectrum between those two.

Like I said, if we protect the rights of lowly thugs then everyone is protected.

Pretty much the same reason that even domestic terrorists should have rights.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I have a hard time rallying around a lowly thug (your words, not mine).

 

[Breogan]

Petty theft doesnt warrant being gunned down.

And that is the point,... Strong armed robbery does not mean you should be murdered in the street.

@ your thought process.

... a fight with police, and going for a gun ....

THAT might get you shot.
THAT is what is being looked at.

These guys seem to forget there is a GJ trial going on trying to determine the evidence and see if that's what happened.
They think the media gets to decide for them and, are ok with that.

 

[SuperJediHero]

Wonder if tonight will be peaceful or another night of unrest? It will be interesting to see tonight, after the decision that grand jury will take months and Eric Holder's presence.

For now, CNN is focusing on the story of beheaded American!

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I have a hard time rallying around a lowly thug (your words, not mine).

He still deserved due process if he surrendered, did he not?

It's not really about rallying behind Mike Brown it's rallying against police abuses, even when the victim is a very flawed human being.

Flawed people deserve equal protection under the law.

If we protect the lowest of society then everyone is protected.

Think about freedom of speech. Everyone should defend the ugliest hate speech and graphic porn because that ensures just about all forms of free speech are well protected.

 

[HaplessHenchman]

Great....now we have a counter protestor supporting the cop on the streets of Ferguson. Cops had to whisk her away for her safety. What was she thinking?

Anyway, storm is moving in so hopefully that will calm things down.

 

[warhorse78]

I'm not saying it does. But he was painted as an innocent victim just walking to his grandmother's house. The original account of the police gunning him down comes from his friend, and accomplice.

Did you shove the store owner when he tried to stop you?

In light of all these revelations, him having a fight with police, and going for a gun sounds a lot more plausible.

This. I have not been following this story, but my cousin was telling me, and in her mind, he was a sweet innocent kid brutally gunned down by the evil cops, and she thinks the cops should not be allowed to have guns, but only tazers, tear gas and rubber bullets. I asked her if this kid had a prior, and she was like, nope, great kid. He was a straight A student, and was going to college. I guess she didn't see the footage of this outstanding young man stealing stuff and shoving the store clerk. I myself, can't really form an opinion either way, because I am not getting all of the facts, mostly due to the media.

 

[Marvolo]

@ your thought process.

First of all you need to understsnd some context about my post. It is a response to SuperJediHero's post. This one:

Yes, EVERYTIME these angry protest happened, it was not for exactly a 100% innocent/GOOD teen! Thus, I can not fully sympathize!

They aren't that innocent, that's the problem!


Show me a murder of a 100% innocent/good teen that's not even close to look like a troublemaker , I will immediately join the protest MYSELF!!

My point which is clearly stated is that regardless of whether he committed petty theft it doesnt make a cop murdering him or anyone else ok. Everyone's committed some misdemeanor at some point in their life. No one is 100% innocent. And being less than 100% doesnt mean you are a thug who deserves to be shot down in the street or that youre death isnt protestable.

These guys seem to forget there is a GJ trial going on trying to determine the evidence and see if that's what happened.
They think the media gets to decide for them and, are ok with that.

Secondly, no. I know that this has to go to trial. I wasnt born last night.

 

[SuperJediHero]

There is a big difference between whether a killing of a thug is justified and the need to join a MULTI-NIGHT Unpeaceful protest!

 

[Marvolo]

There is a big difference between whether a killing of a thug is justified and the need to join a MULTI-NIGHT Unpeaceful protest!

This protest is in the condition its in due to gross mishandling of the situation by the Ferguson PD and opportunistic looters.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I do believe that protest is warranted. But the way people are talking about Brown, you'd think he was friendly little kid helping an old lady cross the road.

 

[SuperJediHero]

Protesting is not the best way to deal your police trust issues anyway. A better way is to file complaints to the congress and DOJ.


What you guys don't get is, some 'police' has to control the situation, whether you trust them or not.


You don't trust them? Really, too bad! But the remaining people that DO TRUST them still need their protection!

 

[Thundercrack85]

The police's reaction has been one public relations disaster after the other.

From the botched initial response to the shooting, to the militarized police engaging protestors. I actually saw pictures of them pointing assault rifles at peaceful demonstrators.

Whoever runs the Ferguson police department should be sacked, if he hasn't been already. The whole department needs to be purged of idiots.

 

[Marvolo]

Protesting is not the best way to deal your police trust issues anyway. A better way is to file complaints to the congress and DOJ.


What you guys don't get is, some 'police' has to control the situation, whether you trust them or not.


You don't trust them? Really, too bad! But the remaining people that DO TRUST them still need their protection!

Tear gasing crowds and senators, illegally assaulting and detaining reporters, destroying private property, threatening to kill protestors, pointing assault rifles at people, and generally acting like jack booted para military thugs is not controlling the situation. Its escalating it.

I trust police officers who deserve my trust. Possession of a badge does not guarantee them my trust nor should it. They have to show me they are responsible and logical people. Ferguson PD did not demonstrate an ounce of logic or responsibility.

 

[bullets]

I really think Michael Brown is the wrong champion for all of this.

I'm not saying the militarization of the police, and racial discrimination by the police aren't huge issues, but do not make this guy your poster child / martyr.

He sounds like a scumbag the more I read about him. I'm not saying he deserved to die either , but it does garner less sympathy from me.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Honestly, I know nothing about him, except that he robbed a convenience store, shoved the owner when he tried to stop him, then apparently walked in the middle of the street, and he may have gotten into a fight with a police officer.

Not a very flattering picture to say the least.

 

[Sawyer]

I really think Michael Brown is the wrong champion for all of this.

I'm not saying the militarization of the police, and racial discrimination by the police aren't huge issues, but do not make this guy your poster child / martyr.

That's the thing for me, too. Obviously, there's something seriously ****ed up with the police there, and something needs to be done about it, but don't put the kid on a pedestal. Of course he didn't deserve to be gunned down in the street, but come on.

 

[bullets]

I have no idea what happened with the police officer. I haven't had time to really delve into this , but maybe there is a slight ounce of credibility or reasoning to his actions. I'm just wondering what the real story is.

 

[Warhammer]

I would also say that assimilation has a lot to do with it. There used to be a very unified Irish and Italian community. Now most Irish and Italian Americans don't even identify as Irish and Italian Americans.

I think it'll go from Japanese and Chinese (Americans) to Asian Americans and then just... Americans.

Unfortunately a side effect of that is the cuisine going to hell.

This is true. My mother is as Korean as it gets. But my children? They will probably have no sense of a cultural identity with South Korea aside from bragging that they are mixed. Honestly, there are as many pros as there are cons to the above.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This protest is in the condition its in due to gross mishandling of the situation by the Ferguson PD and opportunistic looters.

Exactly.

That's the thing for me, too. Obviously, there's something seriously ****ed up with the police there, and something needs to be done about it, but don't put the kid on a pedestal. Of course he didn't deserve to be gunned down in the street, but come on.

That is a problem on both sides. The person's character is what is being put on trial by both sides. There are those that want to build up his character, and those that want to tear it down. As if this answers the question of what happened in the street. Doing so misses the point, and that is an unarmed person was shot dead in the street. Now we don't know the details yet, we don't know the why, but those are the facts.

 

[Howlett]

Exactly.


That is a problem on both sides. The person's character is what is being put on trial by both sides

As it should be when one of them is clearly lying, or just wrong.

There are those that want to build up his character, and those that want to tear it down. As if this answers the question of what happened in the street.

Nothing is going to difinitively answer that. All we have is autopsy and forensics...And a lot of contradicting witnesses.

Doing so misses the point, and that is an unarmed person was shot dead in the street. Now we don't know the details yet, we don't know the why, but those are the facts.

Did the cop know he was unarmed? Did this guy hurt the cop? Was he attacking the cop? Still too many questions.

 

[SuperJediHero]

You know I have a feeling that the people want to become police will DROP very significantly after this... THANKLESS JOB!

 

[Howlett]

You know I have a feeling that the people want to become police will DROP very significantly after this... THANKLESS JOB!

You know, I have a feeling that you should stop ending EVERY SENTENCE with an EXCLAMATION POINT!

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

You know I have a feeling that the people want to become police will DROP very significantly after this... THANKLESS JOB!

Or maybe cops will get more training to prevent trigger happy encounters.

maybe they'll learn how to de-escalate situations.

maybe police will be outfitted with video camera to lower accusations of abuse.

maybe local communities will lobby for the de-militarization of the police.

Alot of good can come from these protests and media coverage.