Riots in Missouri - Part 1

[ChrisBaleBatman]

If you are a person who simply IGNORES evidences, and fact and want to paranoidly believe the justice system is corrupt, NO I can not have sympathy with you

It's not about sympathy, especially from you. But, empathy and understanding how frequently cases like these happen and how the frequency of them can build and add up.

If you can't wrap your mind around that, then it must take some effort in doing so.

This country is broken.


Five minutes after a miscarriage of justice isn't really enough time to adequately move on.

It's kinda amazing to run into anyone who things the systems in this country aren't broken in some way, really.

 

[Kelly]

Looks like President Obama is going to speak in about 7 minutes.

 

[Kelly]

I thought they were going to release all the info and findings?

They will be releasing the information from the Grand Jury later on, it takes some time to get it all together and ready to be published. That will be out probably later on tonight.

 

[The Apocalypse]

We may never know, the only thing I can discern from what the evidence has shown is that there was a gunshot while they had an encounter in the police car. Maybe at that point, he saw it as needing the force he took later. A police officer losing their gun is one of the worst things that can happen to the officer, and others. I don't know...just a sad, sad situation all the way around, and I don't see a solution.

I might be mistaken but I'm pretty sure in almost every cop car there is something between the front and back seats of cop cars to prevent this. I can't see how Brown would have even gotten far enough to take the gun.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Easier said than done. Brown's blood was in the car, he was aggressive and grabbed at a gun. He's a huge guy. Don't assault a cop. THE END.

Or don't use deadly force to kill an unarmed kid. THE END.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I've steered clear of this thread for months. The only thing I'll say is no doubt Michael Brown was doing something he shouldn't have been (anyone who denies that is delusional), but why was lethal force used instead of a taser-gun? Don't most police have tasers or less lethal options exactly for these sort of situations?

What ultimately bothers me is the general acceptance that lethal force is always acceptable.

 

[Howlett]

Irony as that is exactly what you are doing by claiming you understand what people who think Wilson should have charged are thinking.

Because they know more than us. They have and saw all the evidence, we don't.

 

[Sawyer]

The worst part (well... the second worst part) about this is that, if George Zimmerman was any indication, you just know that Darren Wilson is going to spend the next several months acting like the most untouchable motherf***er to ever walk the planet.

 

[Kelly]

Did he lose his gun? How did he shoot Brown if he lost his gun?

He didn't lose his gun, nor did I say that...BUT, from the evidence it does look like that Brown had a hand on his gun in the car. Hence, if the evidence showed that he was coming back toward the police officer, it is possible that the officer felt that the amount of force he used was needed.

I don't know what was going on the head of the officer, none of us do, it was simply a thought of what possibly could have been going through his mind, taken from what I have heard other officers talk about using force, and why.

 

[Kelly]

The worst part (well... the second worst part) about this is that, if George Zimmerman was any indication, you just know that Darren Wilson is going to spend the next several months acting like the most untouchable motherf***er to ever walk the planet.

Unlike Zimmerman, this officer has a family. He also needs to keep his family safe.

 

[Sawyer]

Unlike Zimmerman, this officer has a family. He also needs to keep his family safe.

True.

 

[Kelly]

What ultimately bothers me is the general acceptance that lethal force is always acceptable.

Big generalization there...

 

[SuperJediHero]

Protestors are a JOKE and so UNCLASSY!!!!!

I said this from the beginning, Block streets, cussing at polices, firing Molotov cocktails at police, looting other people's businesses, vandalism this is NOT peaceful protest!

 

[Howlett]

The worst part (well... the second worst part) about this is that, if George Zimmerman was any indication, you just know that Darren Wilson is going to spend the next several months acting like the most untouchable motherf***er to ever walk the planet.

You know him personally?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He didn't lose his gun, nor did I say that...BUT, from the evidence it does look like that Brown had a hand on his gun in the car. Hence, if the evidence showed that he was coming back toward the police officer, it is possible that the officer felt that the amount of force he used was needed.

I don't know what was going on the head of the officer, none of us do, it was simply a thought of what possibly could have been going through his mind, taken from what I have heard other officers talk about using force, and why.

Thanks for explaining that. I understand your point now.

 

[Kelly]

Protestors are a JOKE!!!!!

No they aren't, that is a right given by our Constitution, there is nothing about it that is a joke.

People causing damage to the community, that is stupid.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

As Dr. Drew just said. LA has high speed chases, drug bust and real crime every single day. And yet they seem to avoid shooting people.

 

[SuperT]

I'm just in tears. Anyone out in Ferguson please stay safe.

 

[Howlett]

As Dr. Drew just said. LA has high speed chases, drug bust and real crime every single day. And yet they seem to avoid shooting people.

You can't be serious. People get shot in LA ALL THE TIME.

 

[SuperJediHero]

No they aren't, that is a right given by our Constitution, there is nothing about it that is a joke.

People causing damage to the community, that is stupid.

But the problem is, regardless of some peaceful protestors (Bless them to act classy), but as a WHOLE this has NOT succeeded as a 'peaceful protest', AT ALL, period.

 

[Kelly]

As Dr. Drew just said. LA has high speed chases, drug bust and real crime every single day. And yet they seem to avoid shooting people.

Dr. Drew needs to get his facts straight...

Ezell Ford, Los Angeles, California / August 11: When police conducted an "investigative stop" of 25-year-old Ezell Ford on a Los Angeles sidewalk, he "wheeled around and basically tackled the lead officer," then went after his weapon, an LAPD spokesperson told the LA Times. But in an interview with KTLA News, a woman who identified herself as Ford's mother said he was lying on the ground, complying with the officers' orders, when he was shot in the back. On Sunday afternoon, a handful of people protested the shooting outside LAPD's headquarters. The LA County District Attorney and the department's Force Investigation Unit are looking into the shooting.

 

[Kelly]

But the problem is, regardless of some peaceful protestors (Bless them to act classy), but as a WHOLE this has NOT succeeded as a 'peaceful protest', AT ALL, period.

You're statement was a huge generalization....

 

[SuperJediHero]

Looks like President Obama is going to speak in about 7 minutes.

PointLESS to unclassy people protesting!

 

[SuperJediHero]

You're statement was a huge generalization....

Let's just look at the facts shall we, almost every time there were violence that HAPPENED. NOT generalizing, FACTS!


We need to recognize peaceful protests are peaceful protests, BUT this one clearly, IS NOT and NEVER WAS!

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Big generalization there...

Of who?

Because I always see people defending every single case of lethal force, and always hear the same line from the police force.

The guy that was shot in Brooklyn this week...walking down a dark staircase leaving his girlfriend's apartment, was shot by a police officer...who had no business even having his gun drawn in the first place.