Riots in Missouri - Part 3

[BatmanVSuperman]

Some people think opinions account to agenda's when they differ from their own.

 

[Kar]

It's stories like this that have protesters riled up: Julia Shields, 45 y/o white woman opens fire on pedestrians and points gun at cops, yet she's taken into custody with no injuries. The cops didn't shoot her to death. We didn't/don't see this same sort of restraint with the black victims.

 

[Victarion]

It's stories like this that have protesters riled up: Julia Shields, 45 y/o white woman opens fire on pedestrians and points gun at cops, yet she's taken into custody with no injuries. The cops didn't shoot her to death. We didn't/don't see this same sort of restraint with the black victims.

Was it the same bunch of cops?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Was it the same bunch of cops?

How often do black males shooting at anyone get taken into custody.

How often are unarmed whites killed by the police?

 

[Victarion]

No idea?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

And here's another reason why people don't take the "peaceful protesters" seriously.

http://news.yahoo.com/protester-st-louis-area-charged-arson-204951252.html

BERKELEY, Mo. (AP) — A protester who advocated for peaceful demonstrations in Ferguson was charged Saturday with setting fire to a convenience store in a neighboring suburb.

A St. Louis County jail official said Joshua Williams, 19, of St. Louis, was being held on $30,000 bond. He is charged with arson, second-degree burglary and stealing less than $500.

Williams, who was frequently quoted and photographed protesting Michael Brown's death, is accused of using lighter fluid to set multiple fires inside and outside a QuikTrip in Berkeley. Court records said Williams confessed in a videotaped interview, and that his actions were captured by surveillance video and by news media.

The QuikTrip was looted after a white Berkeley police officer shot and killed Antonio Martin, a black 18-year-old, late Tuesday at a nearby gas station. Separate surveillance footage appeared to show that before the shooting, Martin pulled a gun on the unidentified 34-year-old officer.
St. Louis County police spokesman Shawn McGuire said it wasn't immediately known if Williams had an attorney. Williams didn't immediately return a phone message.

Williams has been arrested at least twice during Ferguson-related protests for unlawful assembly as well as refusal to disperse.
An MSNBC profile of Williams in September quoted him as saying, "We have to come together as one and show them we can be peaceful, that we can do this. If not, they're going to just want us to act up so they can pull out their toys on us again."

During a Ferguson Commission meeting earlier this month, Williams said black people should be able to walk into stores without being followed around like thieves.
"When the police go out there in their uniforms, they don't see nothing but thugs," he said. "All they see is targets in the streets."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...n-activist-arson-burglary-20141227-story.html

Some activists gathered outside the St. Louis County Justice Center on Friday and Saturday to protest his arrest.
"Josh is one of the young activists, and all of us have taken close to him. We got to know his heart, and he got to know ours," Bishop Derrick Robinson, of Kingdom Destiny Fellowship International told the St. Louis Post Dispatch. "He's a great kid, an educated kid, a child who knows what he wants and is very active in the community."

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The hypocrisy here is staggering. Also he confessed and was on video, yet protesters went to the jail to demand his release. When you support and defend people who couldn't be more guilty, your credibility goes entirely out the window for any other cases where it might actually be questionable.

Anyone could claim to be peaceful protester.

A bunch of soon-to-be looters and rioters could claim such a thing.

 

[Howlett]

Anyone could claim to be peaceful protester.

A bunch of soon-to-be looters and rioters could claim such a thing.

That's kind of the point.

And even after he was caught on video and admitted to doing it, protesters still went to the jail and demanded his release as if the police had done some horrible injustice. Defending someone who is obviously guilty isn't going to help your cause at all.

And that's why a lot of people don't take the protesters seriously.

 

[Kar]

And that's why a lot of people don't take the protesters seriously.

Can't judge a group as a whole due to the actions of a few...kinda like how we've been told in this thread we can't say all cops are bad due to the actions of a lot of bad ones.

 

[Howlett]

Can't judge a group as a whole due to the actions of a few...kinda like how we've been told in this thread we can't say all cops are bad due to the actions of a lot of bad ones.

I can agree with that, but when a large group of the protesters go to the jail to support an obviously guilty man, and none of the other protesters are denouncing this guy for his actions, and instead are embracing and defending him, it doesn't look good for the movement at all.

That along with other protesters who don't even seem to know what they're protesting for doesn't help either. I never said ALL of the protesters are bad, but the ones supporting this guy are just destroying their credibility.

And as has been pointed out before, corrupt cops do generally get weeded out and the good cops do not tend support them.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I can agree with that, but when a large group of the protesters go to the jail to support an obviously guilty man, and none of the other protesters are denouncing this guy for his actions, and instead are embracing and defending him, it doesn't look good for the movement at all.

That along with other protesters who don't even seem to know what they're protesting for doesn't help either. I never said ALL of the protesters are bad, but the ones supporting this guy are just destroying their credibility.

And as has been pointed out before, corrupt cops do generally get weeded out and the good cops do not tend support them.

Where are police protesting against the death of Eric Garner or the racial profiling of of duty cops who happen to be black?

Instead cops are forced to remain silent out of fear for reprisals at work.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

That's kind of the point.

And even after he was caught on video and admitted to doing it, protesters still went to the jail and demanded his release as if the police had done some horrible injustice. Defending someone who is obviously guilty isn't going to help your cause at all.

And that's why a lot of people don't take the protesters seriously.

The point is anyone can claim to be a protester so obviously a single protester or single sub-group of protesters don't speak for the whole.

 

[Kar]

I remember reading the reports from Ferguson about how some of the looters and rioters were driving cars with out of town plates. Some citizens theorized it was even cops in disguise antagonizing stuff.

 

[Howlett]

Where are police protesting against the death of Eric Garner or the racial profiling of of duty cops who happen to be black?

Instead cops are forced to remain silent out of fear for reprisals at work.

That, and they are public servants who can't publicly protest either way. This is their job. Sometimes they have to do things they don't necessarily agree with. I'm sure you're aware of the Ferguson officer who was put on unpaid leave for calling the Michael Brown memorial "trash in the street," even though that's what he was describing what was left in the street after someone ran over it, right?

Reprimanded for a poor choice of words.

Protesters don't get paid to protest, it's not a job. They can do what they want(within the law). That's a HUGE difference.

 

[Howlett]

I remember reading the reports from Ferguson about how some of the looters and rioters were driving cars with out of town plates. Some citizens theorized it was even cops in disguise antagonizing stuff.

Well, that's a lovely anecdote with no evidence or basis in reality whatsoever.

Why would cops do something like that? Oh right, they're all racists out to destroy the cities they patrol. I forgot.

 

[Howlett]

How often do black males shooting at anyone get taken into custody.

How often are unarmed whites killed by the police?

Both happen ALL THE TIME. You just don't hear about it because it doesn't generate interest($$$)in the media.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

That, and they are public servants who can't publicly protest either way. This is their job. Sometimes they have to do things they don't necessarily agree with. I'm sure you're aware of the Ferguson officer who was put on unpaid leave for calling the Michael Brown memorial "trash in the street," even though that's what he was describing what was left in the street after someone ran over it, right?

Reprimanded for a poor choice of words.

Protesters don't get paid to protest, it's not a job. They can do what they want(within the law). That's a HUGE difference.

Police have the constitutional right to protest.

There's probably just a rule against doing so in uniform.

Even though they have no problem protesting the NYC mayor during a funeral while in uniform.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Both happen ALL THE TIME. You just don't hear about it because it doesn't generate interest($$$)in the media.

It would be nice if the police documented such data for public record.

 

[Howlett]

It would be nice if the police documented such data for public record.

They do.

 

[Howlett]

Police have the constitutional right to protest.

There's probably just a rule against doing so in uniform.

Even though they have no problem protesting the NYC mayor during a funeral while in uniform.

I'm sure they didn't enjoy being painted as all of them being racists by the Mayor who put a target on their backs.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

They do.

link?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'm sure they didn't enjoy being painted as all of them being racists by the Mayor who put a target on their backs.

I know it's the conservative mantra to say the mayor is responsible for a lone gunman killing two cops but a public leader should be allowed to address bad police policy like stop and frisk or racial profiling without being blamed for crazed cop killers.

It's really an underhanded and devious attempt to discredit anyone who criticizes bad policing.

 

[Howlett]

I know it's the conservative mantra to say the mayor is responsible for a lone gunman killing two cops but a public leader should be allowed to address bad police policy like stop and frisk or racial profiling without being blamed for crazed cop killers.

It's really an underhanded and devious attempt to discredit anyone who criticizes bad policing.

Tell it to the Supreme Court then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_City#cite_note-guardianuk1-1

And oh look, it's quite effective.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/murders-violent-crime-new-york-article-1.2031267

Violent crime and murders have fallen to historic lows this year, Mayor de Blasio announced Tuesday. Major crime has dipped 4.4% so far this year, compared to the same period last year. And there have been 290 murders, down from 311 last year — a 6.8% drop that puts the city on pace to end the year with the fewest murders ever.

 

[Howlett]

link?

Public records. I'm not going to do add them all up from every city, but Google it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Public records. I'm not going to do add them all up from every city, but Google it.

I'm saying there's no single database or reliable statistics on police shootings nationwide.

Is there or isn't there?

If there isn't then what's the reason?

 

[Howlett]

I'm saying there's no single database or reliable statistics on police shootings nationwide.

Is there or isn't there?

If there isn't then what's the reason?

There have been multiple links posted on this subject from the FBI and other sources. I'm not going to search through them all for you. Is your Google broken?