The Rise of Skywalker Rise of Skywalker Leaks and Spoilers thread

[terry78]

At this point I don't give a **** when he shows or if he shows or whatever. I'm Star Wars'd out.

 

[MadVillainy]

ANyone have a leak summary or a confirmed story summary? I'm at work so I can't dig around the net as deep as I want to

 

[jaqua99]

Just so I am clear. Sideous is back. Anakin fulfilling the prophecy is essentially pointless. Sideous, the foil to everything Skywalker, is defeated by Rey, who, without training, declares that she is "all of the Jedi". Rey faces no challenges in this franchise.

And to cap it all off, Rey decides her name is Rey Skywalker, and essentially shoe horns her name into a family that the entire saga revolved around, without having any blood ties?

Rey declaring herself a Skywalker without being a Skywalker, while being all of the Jedi..is the biggest FU to Lucas as possible. What an agenda driven disappointment.

Anakin is the chosen one. The entire fate and future of the Galaxy is directly impacted by his decisions, and the decisions his family/the Skywalker's make. Darnkess to the Galaxy. Anakin's son, SAVES the Galaxy and saves his father by doing what his father couldn't..refusing the emperor. With his sons love and light, Anakin fulfills the prophecy..brings balance to the force, sacrifices himself and destroys the emperor.

Luke becomes a hermit, almost kills his nephew, nephew turns to dark, Galaxy turns dark. JUST LIKE THE SKYWALKERS DO.



Just kidding. Because Palpatine is alive. Our main protagonist isn't a Skywalker by blood. Finishes the job that Anakin was prophesized to do, and then declares herself a Skywalker at the end of the movie. That's a joke.

Disney has decided to retcon the mythology of the force, and now, they made Skywalker a title. The Rise of Skywalker is the story of the rise of a Skywalker, who isn't a Skywalker, who finished the job the SKYWALKERS were to do. What a god damn joke this is.

 

[terry78]

"God these Star Wars prequels are horrible! There will never be a larger mistake than this!"

 

[jaqua99]

"God these Star Wars prequels are horrible! There will never be a larger mistake than this!"

I absolutely love the prequels. Episode 3 is one of my favorite movies ever. And regardless of the film execution, it still stays true to the mythology Lucas created. These movies genuinely don't feel like they belong in the universe Lucas created.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

Just so I am clear. Sideous is back. Anakin fulfilling the prophecy is essentially pointless. Sideous, the foil to everything Skywalker, is defeated by Rey, who, without training, declares that she is "all of the Jedi". Rey faces no challenges in this franchise.

And to cap it all off, Rey decides her name is Rey Skywalker, and essentially shoe horns her name into a family that the entire saga revolved around, without having any blood ties?

Rey declaring herself a Skywalker without being a Skywalker, while being all of the Jedi..is the biggest FU to Lucas as possible. What an agenda driven disappointment.

Anakin is the chosen one. The entire fate and future of the Galaxy is directly impacted by his decisions, and the decisions his family/the Skywalker's make. Darnkess to the Galaxy. Anakin's son, SAVES the Galaxy and saves his father by doing what his father couldn't..refusing the emperor. With his sons love and light, Anakin fulfills the prophecy..brings balance to the force, sacrifices himself and destroys the emperor.

Luke becomes a hermit, almost kills his nephew, nephew turns to dark, Galaxy turns dark. JUST LIKE THE SKYWALKERS DO.



Just kidding. Because Palpatine is alive. Our main protagonist isn't a Skywalker by blood. Finishes the job that Anakin was prophesized to do, and then declares herself a Skywalker at the end of the movie. That's a joke.

Disney has decided to retcon the mythology of the force, and now, they made Skywalker a title. The Rise of Skywalker is the story of the rise of a Skywalker, who isn't a Skywalker, who finished the job the SKYWALKERS were to do. What a god damn joke this is.

Agreed.

 

[Travesty]

I think Luke and Rey are completely different.

Luke spent the first 2 movies getting his ass kicked and mainly being lucky. Yea he was a good pilot, but that was explained by him actually having Academy training before we ever see him. We see him struggle to comprehend the nature of the force. We see him mess up in training. We see him dance with the Dark Side. It isnt until Return of the Jedi that we see him as an actual competent Jedi.

Rey? Well **** me, she can do everything! Straight away! With no struggles or **** ups or anything. Her first ever lightsabre fight, she defeats a guy who can hold laser bolts with his mind. She seems to be proficient in Force tricks with literally zero training or even knowledge they exist. Shes spent her life dossing about on a desert planet... yet can somehow swim with no issue? And jumps in the Falcon and flies it better than Han?

The difference between Rey and Luke is that we see Luke grow as a hero naturally (well as naturally as you can in a blockbuster action series). Rey? Theres no real growth, because shes the complete package straight off the bat. Which makes her incredibly dull as a character.

Hell, they don't even give a credible reason on why Rey wanted to learn the ways of the force from the start.

Exactly. I honestly don't get these claims that "Luke was just as much of a Mary sue". Really?

Luke:
-He gets knocked out by sand people, and Obi Wan saves him.
-He gets pushed around in Mos Eisely and needs Obi Wan to help him
-He struggles with his lightsaber training with Obi Wan.
-Han Solo laughs at Luke. Thinks he's a little kid chasing fairy tale stories.
-A creature gets ahold of him in the trash compactor and he almost dies.
-A Wampa overtakes him and captures him. He struggles with force pulling his lightsaber to him. He narrowly escapes. Han Solo has to go out and rescue him.
-He crashes his ship in Dagobah. He almost dies.
-He has a hard time with his training with Yoda. He gets frustrated with how hard it is. He can't even pull up an X-Wing. He can barely move small rocks.
-Vader chops his friggin hand off, and he barely makes it out alive. He almost dies.
-He falls into Jabba's trap, and almost dies to a Rancor Monster.
-He almost dies on the speeder bikes on Endor.
-He turns himself in to try and save his father, and almost dies to the Emperor, until Vader steps in to save him.

Rey:
-She thinks Finn is a threat, so she beats him down.
-She then has to save Finn, and flees into the Falcon
-She Pilots the Falcon for the first time, and is a better pilot than Han Solo. She saves both of them.
-She saves Finn from the big creatures in the ship after meeting Han Solo.
-She teaches Han Solo how to wire the Falcon better than he can, thus, saving everyone in the process.
-Han Solo likes her right away, offers her a job on the Falcon, cause she's such a badass. He gives her a blaster.
-She finds Anakin's lightsaber, because it calls out to her(that never happened with Luke).
-She's briefly captured by Kylo, but escapes, due to her learning how to Jedi Mind trick people on the spot.
-Kylo and Finn fight, and Finn goes down. Kylo is about to kill him, until Rey learns how to Force pull the lightsaber on the spot, so she can use it against Kylo. She holds her own. She saves Finn.
-She's now the captain of the Falcon, and is the one to find Luke.
-She trains herself on how to properly use a lightsaber.
-At the end of TLJ, she uses new force powers she just learned on the spot, to move boulders out of the way to save everyone. Luke can barely move rocks, and she's easily moving tons of massive boulders.

It's a night and day difference. Luke goes through a classic hero's journey, and Rey just has all of these powers on the spot, and rarely fails. The closest we get to any kind of vulnerability with her, is when Snoke overtook her for 30sec, but then she took out all the guards and overtook Kylo and escaped. But as far as raw skill goes, she's basically unstoppable and we've never seen her doing any kind of massive training, or really struggling in any kind of situation. The closest we get to a "struggle", is her finding out who her parents are: that's it. The claim they make against Luke as a Mary Sue, is that he blew up the Death Star. But the movie tells us he's a pilot with training, and the target he has to shoot isn't a big deal, cause he would do that back home all the time. So we're told that he has pilot training and that he can make shots like this, cause he practiced so much back home. That's not a Mary Sue, at all. The closest "Mary Sue" moment with Luke, is at the end of TLJ with the force hologram projection thingy, and sure, that was lame.

 

[Boom]

But by all means, let people continue to throw Rian Johnson under the bus as the guy that wrecked Star Wars.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

As I have said before they should've just kept the books history and just have started the movies in the Old Republic. Rey would've been a great hero for that time. Hell you could've even given her a connection to the Skywalker line by making her Anakin's great X3 grandmother or something.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

Rian Johnson didn't make Chris Terrio write a baffling screenplay (again). The people blaming Rian Johnson for Rise of the P....Skywalker are hysterical.

 

[scarlet-witch]

One thing I'm not clear on...how do they learn to force heal?

 

[Blade Hoarder]

They watched space Logan.

 

[MadVillainy]

From what I've read: "-Rey's parents DID sell her off on Jakku because they believed it would protect her. Papa Palps tracked them down and killed them."

 

[DeadPresident]

I find it depressingly hilarious that this franchise ends with a the protagonist identifying as something she isn’t - like we get it, the creatives are all living in 3019 with their social progressivism and they’ve poorly woven it through what could’ve been a good SW trilogy, but can we please get a slightly subtler approach when the next trilogy rolls around please?

 

[Blade Hoarder]

So what happened to our queen Kelly Tran? Did she get any relevant screentime?

 

[Schlosser85]

I find it depressingly hilarious that this franchise ends with a the protagonist identifying as something she isn’t - like we get it, the creatives are all living in 3019 with their social progressivism and they’ve poorly woven it through what could’ve been a good SW trilogy, but can we please get a slightly subtler approach when the next trilogy rolls around please?

.....can we not drag some kind of anti-trans jab in here? Also I think you’re the one injecting political subtext into Rey deciding to be an honorary Skywalker.

 

[Snow Queen]

So what happened to our queen Kelly Tran? Did she get any relevant screentime?

Her role is apparently very minimal.

 

[Schlosser85]

Her role is apparently very minimal.

She got Jar Jar’ed.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

I don't want to sound cynical, but I guess it's because Kelly didn't move the needle in China.

I know she is Vietnamese and therefore of no consequence to the Chinese. But this is Disney we are talking about.

 

[MadVillainy]

I'm surprised she came back at all with all the grief she got

 

[DeadPresident]

.....can we not drag some kind of anti-trans jab in here? Also I think you’re the one injecting political subtext into Rey deciding to be an honorary Skywalker.

It wasn’t a jab, and I’d hope you’ve seen enough of me posting to realize that’s not something I do, insinuating it seems like a jab...but I know you wouldn’t do that. There’s been very clear social and political subtext throughout this entire trilogy, as there is throughout all popular entertainment now because the audience demands it, and because film makers seem to feel the need to prescribe it.

Just so it’s on the record, I think incorporating that kind of social and political subtext can be useful and constructive - my gripe isn’t that they did it, it’s that they did it poorly and worst of all disingenuously.

The posters on this forum could brainstorm for an afternoon and come up with better stories that are A) Faithful to SW canon and lore while also B) Modernizing the narrative to be completely representative of any and all identity categories without stooping to pandering or tokenizing anyone.

 

[MadVillainy]

I still can't get over that Rey is a Palpatine. I mean that does kinda cool my opinion on her being OP. But you mean to tell me that crusty Palpatine clapped some cheeks? (can I say that here)

 

[Blade Hoarder]

Soooooo what happened to JJ Abrams' deep admiration for Johnson's Last Jedi script and wishing that he could direct it?

It seems he did everything to undermine that same, special script that he wished he could direct?

His flip flop is almost politician-like.

 

[MadVillainy]

Soooooo what happened to JJ Abrams' deep admiration for Johnson's Last Jedi script and wishing that he could direct it?

It seems he did everything to undermine that same, special script that he wished he could direct?

His flip flop is almost politician-like.

I mean he's selling a movie. He wasn't gonna come out and say he hated it

 

[Blade Hoarder]

That doesn't sound like some obligatory corporate speak. He seemed to be gushing.