The Rise of Skywalker Rise of Skywalker Leaks and Spoilers thread

[Zorro]

That's a reason why I'm glad the saga is suppose to be over and Disney can now focus on the new extended universe

 

[Herolee10]

That's a reason why I'm glad the saga is suppose to be over and Disney can now focus on the new extended universe

Honestly, I feel like the damage done to the original trilogy is pretty irreversible at this point.

I used to think that Luke's characterization in TLJ was the worst thing that they could have done to discredit the Skywalker legacy.

But bringing back Palpatine alive and well, thus making Anakin's sacrifice and Luke's victory over him pointless and insignificant now, has claimed the top spot when it comes to Disney's list of bad choices for the franchise.

 

[Nathaniell]

Gotta say the sequel trilogy is a hit and miss. Sadly im glad that it'll be over soon. These days it seems with what people say and claim it to be true takes me away from being a hardcore Star Wars fan. There are things i still love about it but the only saving grace for me is The Mandalorian. Its such a great show thus far and makes me forget the sequels exist. Other stuff i like are the Clone Wars and Rebel series. And not to forget the only Anthology film called Rogue One, which I thought was well done. I still have some hope with Disney SW but what is planned for its future remains to be seen until something more good comes out of it.

I have spoken.

 

[Travesty]

Honestly, I feel like the damage done to the original trilogy is pretty irreversible at this point.

I used to think that Luke's characterization in TLJ was the worst thing that they could have done to discredit the Skywalker legacy.

But bringing back Palpatine alive and well, thus making Anakin's sacrifice and Luke's victory over him pointless and insignificant now, has claimed the top spot when it comes to Disney's list of bad choices for the franchise.

 

[TheVileOne]

Some more details on the leaks regarding the Sith dagger, the character “Ochi”, Rey’s parents and more

Examining "Ochi" from Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker: The Skeleton Key to Episode IX Spoilers. | Making Star Wars

This is a lot to dump on a final movie. The original trilogy never had this much exposition. All this information here is like a full TV season's worth of plots or almost three movies worth of material.

And this is my greatest fear for this film. They are over-stuffing Rise of Skywalker to over-compensate for Last Jedi and even parts of Force Awakens.

 

[Herolee10]

This is a lot to dump on a final movie. The original trilogy never had this much exposition. All this information here is like a full TV season's worth of plots or almost three movies worth of material.

And this is my greatest fear for this film. They are over-stuffing Rise of Skywalker to over-compensate for Last Jedi and even parts of Force Awakens.

If anything, the only real statement that this new trilogy has managed to convey is that the Skywalker lineage has been more of a curse than blessing to all life as no real lasting good came out from that family.

That and the Jedi Order are still in no better shape now than they were 30 years after the conclusion of TROJ. It's amazing on how we have videogames and animated series that have done more to enrich the mythology of Star Wars compared to the new trilogy where the only thing that they've managed to do is take a crap on George Lucas's work.

The moment Kathleen Kennedy stated that there was no source material for them to reference for story material is where she should have been relieved of her duties and control of this franchise.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This is a lot to dump on a final movie. The original trilogy never had this much exposition. All this information here is like a full TV season's worth of plots or almost three movies worth of material.

And this is my greatest fear for this film. They are over-stuffing Rise of Skywalker to over-compensate for Last Jedi and even parts of Force Awakens.

The exposition won't be spread out like that in the film. There is apparently a lot of quick flashbacks that cover a lot of it, with a lot of it being Star Warsy, very classically unexplained. If JJ knows anything, it's how to pace a movie. One of the reasons he seemingly dumped the Dyad stuff is people were finding it confusing and too hard to explain reasonably.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If anything, the only real statement that this new trilogy has managed to convey is that the Skywalker lineage has been more of a curse than blessing to all life as no real lasting good came out from that family.

That and the Jedi Order are still in no better shape now than they were 30 years after the conclusion of TROJ. It's amazing on how we have videogames and animated series that have done more to enrich the mythology of Star Wars compared to the new trilogy where the only thing that they've managed to do is take a crap on George Lucas's work.

The moment Kathleen Kennedy stated that there was no source material for them to reference for story material is where she should have been relieved of her duties and control of this franchise.

You do realize Kennedy is responsible for everything that has come out since the sale right? Also that George put her in charge, right? he literally brought her on for the sale.

Disney Star Wars has given me TFA, Solo, Rebels, the two Vader comics, the Aphra comic, multiple standalones, the Mando, and Fallen Order. Imo, some of the best Star Wars material to ever grace our little spec of dust.

 

[Broseph44]

You do realize Kennedy is responsible for everything that has come out since the sale right? Also that George put her in charge, right? he literally brought her on for the sale.

Disney Star Wars has given me TFA, Solo, Rebels, the two Vader comics, the Aphra comic, multiple standalones, the Mando, and Fallen Order. Imo, some of the best Star Wars material to ever grace our little spec of dust.

Also for me I add RO to that list. I know it’s not your thing, but for my own list

 

[Gothamsknight]

Disney Star Wars has given me TFA, which is the best star wars film since Empire, TLJ, Rogue One, Solo, The mandalorian, and Fallen Order. Its in a SOOOOO much better place than it was a decade ago. I don't think I've been as interested in star wars as I have been these past few years in a very very long time. At 26, I can say I grew up with the prequels, and while I enjoy them for what they are, the main saving grace of that time period was the video games. It all pales in comparison to where Star Wars is now.


I'd just like to add how funny i think it is when people dont give kathleen Kennedy any credit ,even for the stuff they do like.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Also for me I add RO to that list. I know it’s not your thing, but for my own list

I enjoy it. Not my favorite thing, so I didn't put it on he list. Same with big parts of the main Star Wars comics. What I really need to do is sit down and read the Thrawn books. Apparently worth the time. I kind of went off the books early on. Read a couple and they just didn't land for me, so I kind of haven't been into the idea of reading the new canon book series.

But yeah, I like current Star Wars a lot. Probably haven't enjoyed Star Wars this much since I was around 10-11.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Rogue One is a really good, but at times I feel it can be a bit overrated. still good though in my opinion.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Huge update on who Snoke was

Spoiler

According to Jason Ward, when Kylo Ren arrives on exogol, he sees these small people called "the relics". and inside these vats and barrels, theres something. whats inside? tons of snokes. So thats it then! Snoke was a clone, and Palpatine has been the puppet master the whole time.

 

[Broseph44]

I enjoy it. Not my favorite thing, so I didn't put it on he list. Same with big parts of the main Star Wars comics. What I really need to do is sit down and read the Thrawn books. Apparently worth the time. I kind of went off the books early on. Read a couple and they just didn't land for me, so I kind of haven't been into the idea of reading the new canon book series.

But yeah, I like current Star Wars a lot. Probably haven't enjoyed Star Wars this much since I was around 10-11.

I need to get back on the novels. The last I read was Lost Stars, and that was great.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

Bullet points:

Spoiler

• Luke/Leia flashback training on Endor moved to later in the film when Rey is an Ach-To
• Kylo finding the Wayfinder is cut and he already has it at the start of the film
• Kylo lands on the dead planet of Exegol, trying to find the mysteries of what Snoke left behind (Jason thinks)
• He gets to Exegol, goes toward the floating cube, takes an elevator and while walking down a hallway, he sees these "little people" called the relics, in barrels and vats, and when he looks in the vats/barrels and he sees Snoke.
  
• These are all clones of Snoke, hinting that Palpatine has been a puppet master the whole time.

Edit: Weird, the way this is explained reminds me of Phantasm.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I feel like this is a brilliant idea. its creepy while also

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such a palpatine thing to do. perhaps palpatine was trying to test to see if kylo would betray him?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Heh, I happened to watch Alien Resurrection last night...guess JJ and Terrio also like that weird ass movie.

 

[Tony Stark]

Honestly, I feel like the damage done to the original trilogy is pretty irreversible at this point.

I used to think that Luke's characterization in TLJ was the worst thing that they could have done to discredit the Skywalker legacy.

But bringing back Palpatine alive and well, thus making Anakin's sacrifice and Luke's victory over him pointless and insignificant now, has claimed the top spot when it comes to Disney's list of bad choices for the franchise.

Sad isn't it. While it lacked originality, I loved TFA because it captured most of the heart and spirit of the original trilogy. Now I just look on these last three films with disgust. I didn't think anything could be worse than the prequel trilogy, but this has taken the cake because it basically undid what was a very powerful and simple story in the original trilogy. I wasn't even asking for more films, and had accepted when George said it was done after making the prequels that it was truly done. But when Disney said they were making more, I only wanted to see one thing, Han, Leia and Luke together on screen one more time, and we didn't even get that.

The Rey-quells have been an absolute disaster, barring TFA (which is really just a reboot of ANH), and shows that when you don't have someone like Lucas or Feige involved you will have a disjointed mess on your hand.

I read through all the spoilers on TROS, because I was so thrown back with TLJ, that I wanted to know going in what I was getting into and I can understand why the ending was rewritten 3 different times, and even the current Lucas ending seems stupid and does damage to the original trilogy.

I actually think the direction Rian Johnson was taking, was to make Kylo Ren follow the path that Vader couldn't, and that would have been a far more interesting take than trying to resurrect Palpatine as the ultimate puppet master. Or you know they could have given Snoke a bit of a backstory instead of just making him a Palpatine wannabe.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Sad isn't it. While it lacked originality, I loved TFA because it captured most of the heart and spirit of the original trilogy. Now I just look on these last three films with disgust. I didn't think anything could be worse than the prequel trilogy, but this has taken the cake because it basically undid what was a very powerful and simple story in the original trilogy. I wasn't even asking for more films, and had accepted when George said it was done after making the prequels that it was truly done. But when Disney said they were making more, I only wanted to see one thing, Han, Leia and Luke together on screen one more time, and we didn't even get that.

The Rey-quells have been an absolute disaster, barring TFA (which is really just a reboot of ANH), and shows that when you don't have someone like Lucas or Feige involved you will have a disjointed mess on your hand.

I read through all the spoilers on TROS, because I was so thrown back with TLJ, that I wanted to know going in what I was getting into and I can understand why the ending was rewritten 3 different times, and even the current Lucas ending seems stupid and does damage to the original trilogy.

I actually think the direction Rian Johnson was taking, was to make Kylo Ren follow the path that Vader couldn't, and that would have been a far more interesting take than trying to resurrect Palpatine as the ultimate puppet master. Or you know they could have given Snoke a bit of a backstory instead of just making him a Palpatine wannabe.

I feel your pain and disgust

I actually liked TFA and what it had set up even if it was a loose remake of ANH, but TLJ undid everything in TFA and the new movie is shaping up to undo everything from the OT

They really screwed up

 

[Schlosser85]

A bunch of

Spoiler

Snoke clones?

lol wut

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I cringed reading these new leaks. Wasn’t excited about this movie before. Now I might skip it in the theater.

Spoiler

Im waiting for Disney to confirm that Finn is also related to that black rebel pilot ROTJ.

 

[Herolee10]

Sad isn't it. While it lacked originality, I loved TFA because it captured most of the heart and spirit of the original trilogy. Now I just look on these last three films with disgust. I didn't think anything could be worse than the prequel trilogy, but this has taken the cake because it basically undid what was a very powerful and simple story in the original trilogy. I wasn't even asking for more films, and had accepted when George said it was done after making the prequels that it was truly done. But when Disney said they were making more, I only wanted to see one thing, Han, Leia and Luke together on screen one more time, and we didn't even get that.

The Rey-quells have been an absolute disaster, barring TFA (which is really just a reboot of ANH), and shows that when you don't have someone like Lucas or Feige involved you will have a disjointed mess on your hand.

I read through all the spoilers on TROS, because I was so thrown back with TLJ, that I wanted to know going in what I was getting into and I can understand why the ending was rewritten 3 different times, and even the current Lucas ending seems stupid and does damage to the original trilogy.

I actually think the direction Rian Johnson was taking, was to make Kylo Ren follow the path that Vader couldn't, and that would have been a far more interesting take than trying to resurrect Palpatine as the ultimate puppet master. Or you know they could have given Snoke a bit of a backstory instead of just making him a Palpatine wannabe.

Imagine in another world, where we had gotten a trilogy featuring the Yuuzhan Vong as the main villains, with Luke leading his New Jedi Order against them as the heart of the conflict.

Now that is a trilogy that I would have paid a lot to see. It still makes me cringe whenever I remember Kathleen Kennedy saying on how there was NO SOURCE MATERIAL for them to refer back to when creating these films. Yeah, that's the person you want in charge of a multi-billion dollar franchise.

If you're going to make a mediocre trilogy then go for it. But don't piss and take a crap and ruin the legacy that you're trying to build from.

It's kind of ironic on how they've been releasing all of these nostalgia videos to promote "Rise of Skywalker". It's like they realize on how shallow their new trilogy was on its own and knew that they would have to rely on nostalgia to help sell their film, which is funny when you think about what they did to that nostalgia in the first place.

 

[BatLobster]

I'm so glad this trilogy wasn't the Yuuzhan Vong. To me, that's fine for what the EU was but to me it just comes out of absolutely nowhere if you're looking at the context of 9 films. Not to mention, if you have Luke leading a Jedi army into war, you're basically having him repeat the mistakes of the prequel Jedi again and in the end how that does that really progress or deepen the story? If you have him realize that, then you potentially end up with something like TLJ, with him in exile and disillusioned anyway. There is no way you could ever convince me that Lucas' intention was for Luke to go onto become an uber-badass who leads the NJO in a war against some new alien threat from outside the galaxy.

Which is what Kennedy was referencing when she said no source material. Cause it's absolutely true. There is no canon source material for the chunk of the timeline that the sequel trilogy spans. Lucas certainly ignored it when he was developing the ST himself. From what we know of his outline, there was no Mara Jade, no Anakin Solo, no Yuuzhan Vong, none of it. The bones of the sequel trilogy still have more in common with Lucas' ideas, minus the midichlorian/Whills stuff, than the discarded EU. I guarantee you, Lucas would've brought back Palpatine way before he ever would've made the ST about Thrawn or the Yuuzhan Vong or any of that. Lucas was the king of returning to old ideas. And to be fair, the idea of the sequel trilogy dealing with The Emperor IS an old idea of his.

As for the retrospective videos they've released...those have been wonderful, and why wouldn't they be releasing content like that? Whether you hate the prequels, hate the sequels, or whatever...at the end of the day Star Wars is still a cultural phenomenon, and a cinematic story lasting 40+ years coming to an end is something pretty incredible and noteworthy. It's good to remind people that this isn't just the end of 3 movies/5 years, it's the end of 9 movies/42 years.

 

[Marvolo]

Huge update on who Snoke was

Spoiler

According to Jason Ward, when Kylo Ren arrives on exogol, he sees these small people called "the relics". and inside these vats and barrels, theres something. whats inside? tons of snokes. So thats it then! Snoke was a clone, and Palpatine has been the puppet master the whole time.

Let's be honest, JJ went this route solely because he wanted to explain Snoke's part in the trilogy in an easy and time saving way.

Spoiler

By making him a clone all JJ had to do was show a bunch of Snoke clones. It takes all of 5 seconds to show the audience everything they need to know about Snoke, and requires no exposition or discussion between any of the characters.

The exposition won't be spread out like that in the film. There is apparently a lot of quick flashbacks that cover a lot of it, with a lot of it being Star Warsy, very classically unexplained. If JJ knows anything, it's how to pace a movie. One of the reasons he seemingly dumped the Dyad stuff is people were finding it confusing and too hard to explain reasonably.

JJ cut the stuff of Sidious using Rey and Kylo to rejuvenate himself?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

JJ cut the stuff of Sidious using Rey and Kylo to rejuvenate himself?

No, he apparently specifically cut the concept of the Dyad.