The Rise of Skywalker Rise of Skywalker Leaks and Spoilers thread

[TheVileOne]

The exposition won't be spread out like that in the film. There is apparently a lot of quick flashbacks that cover a lot of it, with a lot of it being Star Warsy, very classically unexplained. If JJ knows anything, it's how to pace a movie. One of the reasons he seemingly dumped the Dyad stuff is people were finding it confusing and too hard to explain reasonably.

Tell that to Star Trek Into Darkness.

 

[TheVileOne]

Let's be honest, JJ went this route solely because he wanted to explain Snoke's part in the trilogy in an easy and time saving way.

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By making him a clone all JJ had to do was show a bunch of Snoke clones. It takes all of 5 seconds to show the audience everything they need to know about Snoke, and requires no exposition or discussion between any of the characters.

JJ cut the stuff of Sidious using Rey and Kylo to rejuvenate himself?

Or rather he doesn't really want to explain it at all and just handwaves it away.

This is the Star Wars equivalent of Triple H was the mastermind behind Stone Cold hit & run.

 

[TheVileOne]

Huge update on who Snoke was

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According to Jason Ward, when Kylo Ren arrives on exogol, he sees these small people called "the relics". and inside these vats and barrels, theres something. whats inside? tons of snokes. So thats it then! Snoke was a clone, and Palpatine has been the puppet master the whole time.

This is ridiculous and makes no sense. So basically, it's the ****ing Spider-Man Clone Saga.

 

[Schlosser85]

So was

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Snoke knowingly working for Palpatine? Was he actually a Force user or was Palpatine working through him somehow?

I still have a lot of questions, lol.

 

[scarlet-witch]

Guys you don't need spoiler tags in the spoiler thread.

I suppose I should actually add to the thread. I think the idea of Snoke being a clone is interesting, I keep going back to how much Serkis hyped him. He kind of overplayed it a bit.

 

[Mani-Man]

Guys you don't need spoiler tags in the spoiler thread.

I suppose I should actually add to the thread. I think the idea of Snoke being a clone is interesting, I keep going back to how much Serkis hyped him. He kind of overplayed it a bit.

Honestly yeah, i mean sure i would have wanted to see Snoke in general being "more", always though making him Darth Plagueis would have been a cool twist.
But i can live with this leak too if its true.
Dont see the problem, Palpatine was playing his games ever since episode 1...dont see why he wouldnt have had a ace in his sleeve just in case.

 

[thangaran]

So wait, Palpatine is back well and alive and all the Skywalkers are dead. So basically Palpatine - 1 ; Skywalkers - 0 lol. It seems the prophecy of Anakin bringing balance to the force and all of Luke’s journey and work in the OT were all time-dependent and only temporary. Meaning for nothing ultimately in the grand scheme of things? What’s to say that when Palpatine “dies” in this film he won’t come back in another film which would completely undermine all of the work Rey does?

this is the jackass cynic side of me talking but I really hope JJ can pull this off somehow and make sense of all this. This entire trilogy’s lack of a clearly mapped out story plan has created a pretty divisive reaction among both fans and general audience folk

 

[Tony Stark]

I'm not sure what Lucas' mapped out sequel trilogy was, but it had to be better than this garbage we are now being spoon fed. It's not that there isn't some good story threads in these last three films, it that they are so randomly placed out that it makes no coherent sense.

So now we are supposed to believe that Palpatine was building this big huge secret army behind the scenes while he was using Snoke to build a different army that would hide his real army that was going to take everything over! I mean seriously what idiot thought that was a good plot point? Apparently J.J. Abrams I guess.

So now we have Snoke clones that were really the Emperor! And now we find out Vader only killed a clone and the real Emperor has been hiding!

Kennedy should have been fired after TLJ and they should have had an entirely new production team brought in. Get Feige to be a consultant or something.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Guys you don't need spoiler tags in the spoiler thread.

I suppose I should actually add to the thread. I think the idea of Snoke being a clone is interesting, I keep going back to how much Serkis hyped him. He kind of overplayed it a bit.

Maybe like the fans, Serkis also expected Snoke to be some badass new villain and not such cheap Palpatine knockoff that in the end is some useless clone

This is the type of stuff that happens when you don’t have a set story planned out for three movies and rather just go about throwing crap on the wall to see what sticks

 

[Marvolo]

Maybe like the fans, Serkis also expected Snoke to be some badass new villain and not such cheap Palpatine knockoff that in the end is some useless clone

This is the type of stuff that happens when you don’t have a set story planned out for three movies and rather just go about throwing crap on the wall to see what sticks

I keep seeing this complaint and I just have to call BS on it because its an unrealistic expectation. This is a trilogy. Trilogies arent planned from day one. What did you expect Disney to do? These films werent made simultaneously and Abrams didnt want to do all three. And whoever they hired for 8 would no doubt want to tell their story their way. Not direct a script written by Abrams.

All the time I hear people ***** about Disney's handling of star wars and studios micromanaging films. But here we have people complaining that Disney didnt write the whole damn trilogy from the beginning and fussing that Disney didnt force directors to direct scripts and stories they didnt develop.

I would have liked the trilogy to be thoroughly planned out, but that's just not how series are made. Not even the MCU.

 

[BatLobster]

Just about all of my favorite trilogies of all time were certainly not mapped out from day 1. In fact there are very few I can even think of that were, other than the obvious LOTR example where they were book adaptations. And I would also argue that trilogies that attempted to plan parts 2 & 3 together after the first film was a hit, suffered for it (Pirates, Matrix-- though I still love me some Matrix sequels).

You start with a loose shape of a story, and you fill in the details along the way. It applies not only to the originals, but to the prequels as well. It applies to this trilogy too, as JJ has confirmed that he's been able to bring a lot of his ideas about where it could go to fruition. It's just how most creative stuff works. I think it's such a better way to work than boxing yourself in. I just know as a creative professional that I would hate life if I was forced to stick with an idea that I came up with a few years ago for all future projects (something I'm currently struggling with as I've been tasked with coming up with templates to be used on all of my company's videos going forward), because chances are I'm going to have 10 better ideas down the road, or at least ways to improve what I came up with a few years ago.

To give a creative time to live and grow with their creation, and make changes along the way is a BLESSING that most creatives cherish when given.

And again...this is Star Wars....Lucas is still making retroactive changes to the damn thing as of last month LOL.

 

[Roose Bolton]

We don’t know that Snoke was a clone of Palpatine himself, so there’s definitely more questions to be answered, but him being a cloned Force User who was lurking about after the fall of the Empire does have a very Joruus C’Baoth vibe to it.

 

[Travesty]

Nah, this 100% should've been planned out, due to the fact that this is canon. All of those dumb decisions by Rian Johnson will now have lasting effects for the life of Star Wars. This stuff isn't going to be rebooted like you see in various comics or movies. If this was a series that can be constantly rebooted, I don't think it would be that big of deal, but alas, this is for life. It's not really a smart idea to just let people do whatever the hell they want with every movie. It was incredibly dumb to let people have full control of the entire sand box, without everyone being in on some kind of path or idea as to where this was all going.

I don't think I've ever gone into a third movie in a trilogy, not really knowing what the hell is going on, or who I should even care about. This is one of the weirdest trilogies I've ever seen.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Nah, this 100% should've been planned out, due to the fact that this is canon. All of those dumb decisions by Rian Johnson will now have lasting effects for the life of Star Wars. This stuff isn't going to be rebooted like you see in various comics or movies. If this was a series that can be constantly rebooted, I don't think it would be that big of deal, but alas, this is for life. It's not really a smart idea to just let people do whatever the hell they want with every movie. It was incredibly dumb to let people have full control of the entire sand box, without everyone being in on some kind of path or idea as to where this was all going.

I don't think I've ever gone into a third movie in a trilogy, not really knowing what the hell is going on, or who I should even care about. This is one of the weirdest trilogies I've ever seen.

I don't think it needed to be completely mapped out. There was a "plan", and JJ has made that clear, but like the OT it was very nebulous and changed when big answers were changed. To me the issue was simply hiring Johnson.

 

[BatLobster]

Tbh, I'm still kind of perplexed that people act as if there's no story going into this film. I really just don't get that.

I mean on a very basic level, you have Rey and Kylo. It's a complex relationship, and you naturally want to see how that evolves and resolves. You want to see how Rey will be able to handle the pressure of being the heir to the Jedi and the one that everybody is counting on for the Rebellion, after spending a lot of time trying to get Luke/Kylo to play that role for her. On the flip side, you want to see how Kylo will handle being Supreme Leader, and whether or not redemption is still in the cards for him. This trilogy is largely about the struggle of a new generation to live up to the previous one, so it is strongest exemplified with the two of them.

And that's just the basic, core element of it. That's without touching stuff like Palpatine's return, Rey's true origins being explored (including why she's eerily strong in The Force), Finn and Poe, their relationship with the Resistance, each other and Rey, how Leia and Luke will fit into the final part of Rey's journey to becoming a Jedi, etc. I mean I genuinely don't get it. To me, I look at everything on the table and I see the ingredients for something pretty terrific. Like I get that TLJ didn't end on a specific cliffhanger ala Empire, but there's still clearly a big story left to be told to wrap up the saga.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Tbh, I'm still kind of perplexed that people act as if there's no story going into this film. I really just don't get that.

I mean on a very basic level, you have Rey and Kylo. It's a complex relationship, and you naturally want to see how that evolves and resolves. You want to see how Rey will be able to handle the pressure of being the heir to the Jedi and the one that everybody is counting on for the Rebellion, after spending a lot of time trying to get Luke/Kylo to play that role for her. On the flip side, you want to see how Kylo will handle being Supreme Leader, and whether or not redemption is still in the cards for him. This trilogy is largely about the struggle of a new generation to live up to the previous one, so it is strongest exemplified with the two of them.

And that's just the basic, core element of it. That's without touching stuff like Palpatine's return, Rey's true origins being explored (including why she's eerily strong in The Force), Finn and Poe, their relationship with the Resistance, each other and Rey, how Leia and Luke will fit into the final part of Rey's journey to becoming a Jedi, etc. I mean I genuinely don't get it. To me, I look at everything on the table and I see the ingredients for something pretty terrific. Like I get that TLJ didn't end on a specific cliffhanger ala Empire, but there's still clearly a big story left to be told to wrap up the saga.

The relationship between Rey and Kylo being complex is probably the issue a lot of people have. It doesn't really make sense for it to be complex. Especially considering what happened over the first two films.

 

[Mani-Man]

I don't think it needed to be completely mapped out. There was a "plan", and JJ has made that clear, but like the OT it was very nebulous and changed when big answers were changed. To me the issue was simply hiring Johnson.

Was it ever said how close or far Johnson deviated from the initial plans, im curious about that.
Star wars pretty much is a series that constantly changed rules and stuff, so its not too big of a deal.
But on the other hand, star wars has become something so huge that a clear direction would be good.
But either way...yeah Johnson was the wrong guy to hire...it wasnt his shinning moment in the spotlight so to speak and now should be kept far away from star wars.

The relationship between Rey and Kylo being complex is probably the issue a lot of people have. It doesn't really make sense for it to be complex. Especially considering what happened over the first two films.

Its pretty simple, she should cut his god damn head off for KILLING Han Solo...and the other **** he pulled.
Im getting headache when people compare them to Anakin/Padme or even worst Bastila/Revan

 

[Gothamsknight]

Tbh, I'm still kind of perplexed that people act as if there's no story going into this film. I really just don't get that.

I mean on a very basic level, you have Rey and Kylo. It's a complex relationship, and you naturally want to see how that evolves and resolves. You want to see how Rey will be able to handle the pressure of being the heir to the Jedi and the one that everybody is counting on for the Rebellion, after spending a lot of time trying to get Luke/Kylo to play that role for her. On the flip side, you want to see how Kylo will handle being Supreme Leader, and whether or not redemption is still in the cards for him. This trilogy is largely about the struggle of a new generation to live up to the previous one, so it is strongest exemplified with the two of them.

And that's just the basic, core element of it. That's without touching stuff like Palpatine's return, Rey's true origins being explored (including why she's eerily strong in The Force), Finn and Poe, their relationship with the Resistance, each other and Rey, how Leia and Luke will fit into the final part of Rey's journey to becoming a Jedi, etc. I mean I genuinely don't get it. To me, I look at everything on the table and I see the ingredients for something pretty terrific. Like I get that TLJ didn't end on a specific cliffhanger ala Empire, but there's still clearly a big story left to be told to wrap up the saga.

Well said, my friend!

 

[scarlet-witch]

There's another leak going around now saying Palpatine actually kills Rey, and Kylo force heals her and that's why he gets tossed down the pit.

So there's that I guess.

 

[Mani-Man]

Is force heal even a thing? Thought only in the games.

 

[scarlet-witch]

Finn: They force heal now?
Poe: They force heal now.

 

[Travesty]

 

[kickass]

There's another leak going around now saying Palpatine actually kills Rey, and Kylo force heals her and that's why he gets tossed down the pit.

So there's that I guess.

It’s actually a pretty beautiful take and a way to tie up the lose end of Anakin and Padmè; Ben essentially does what Anakin was too twisted to — save the one he loves. Out of love and compassion, he heals her. It’s a direct payoff to Revenge of the Sith and not something to just be waved away, me thinks.

 

[Frodo]

Tbh, I'm still kind of perplexed that people act as if there's no story going into this film. I really just don't get that.

I mean on a very basic level, you have Rey and Kylo. It's a complex relationship, and you naturally want to see how that evolves and resolves. You want to see how Rey will be able to handle the pressure of being the heir to the Jedi and the one that everybody is counting on for the Rebellion, after spending a lot of time trying to get Luke/Kylo to play that role for her. On the flip side, you want to see how Kylo will handle being Supreme Leader, and whether or not redemption is still in the cards for him. This trilogy is largely about the struggle of a new generation to live up to the previous one, so it is strongest exemplified with the two of them.

And that's just the basic, core element of it. That's without touching stuff like Palpatine's return, Rey's true origins being explored (including why she's eerily strong in The Force), Finn and Poe, their relationship with the Resistance, each other and Rey, how Leia and Luke will fit into the final part of Rey's journey to becoming a Jedi, etc. I mean I genuinely don't get it. To me, I look at everything on the table and I see the ingredients for something pretty terrific. Like I get that TLJ didn't end on a specific cliffhanger ala Empire, but there's still clearly a big story left to be told to wrap up the saga.

I think its more they don't like how TLJ left things, and in their minds, there isn't a story worth telling.

At the end of the day that's subjective, and at this point, fans are pretty dug into their camps on what shoulda, coulda, woulda, did or didn't happen.

Now I see lots of possible ways the story could go, but even then, that would only be my speculation and not what may be what the final product is.

I ultimately have to wait to see the final product to determine whether they chose a strong story or whether they execute the story in a satisfactory way.

Whether I end up liking TROS or not remains to be seen . I'm not gonna praise or damn something I haven't seen yet .

But there's definitely lots of potential in where the story could go even if it may not be what either defenders or detractors of TLJ want.

 

[BatLobster]

The relationship between Rey and Kylo being complex is probably the issue a lot of people have. It doesn't really make sense for it to be complex. Especially considering what happened over the first two films.

Well, my thing is sure, Kylo may be an a-hole, but the two characters have a strong Force bond that's not going away, in a way we have not seen in Star Wars before. You naturally want to see where something like that goes, and you're naturally going to be curious about the person whom you share this mysterious kind of bond with despite the fact that they are essentially your sworn enemy.

It's just ripe with dramatic possibility. And it's a fresh riff on the dark side/light side struggle that has spanned the 9 films.

@Frodo yeah, I mean I totally get that not everyone's happy with the trilogy, and that's fine-- but I still have to question statements like "there's no story left", "it's a dead end", etc. It's one thing to say "I'm not invested in the story", but it's another to act as if nobody else is and there's literally nothing worth exploring in another Star Wars movie, especially one that purports to conclude the 9 film saga.