The Rise of Skywalker Rise of Skywalker Leaks and Spoilers thread

[jaqua99]

-TLJ didnt establish anything about Snoke's backstory so this film didnt retcon anything about Snoke.
- Luke was back to his hopeful happy self at the end of TLJ.
- TLJ didnt erase or establish anything about the Knights of Ren.
- That one really is a retcon and inexcusably ****ty and lazy writing on Abram's part.
- No it doesnt ignore Rey being a nobody. Kylo says she is a nobody in ROS. Her parents deliberately made her a nobody to protect her. Kylo left out that detail in Snoke's throne room to make her feel unloved, abandoned, and alone.




Not really. The Skywalkers and Anakin were a part of the events that led to the events in this film. If the Skywalkers were erased or if Anakin never fell to the dark side or if he didn't abandon the dark side things might have turned out very differently.

What you may be missing out on, is that Anakin is the Nexus of the force. He and his family, in A LOT of ways are the will of the force/the embodiment of the force, culminating thousands of years of ancient force prophecy.

Star Wars' main theme is family, within the context of a magical and ancient galactic conflict. And this family, and it's human heart dictates what happens. That's what makes Anakin and the Skywalkers so special. They, in a lot of ways, are the force embodied. There have been years and years of conflict within the force. The force births Anakin.

Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One. Joins the Jedi order. The emperor's plans, which is the culmination of thousands of years of sith scheming comes to fruition. The Jedi learn the truth about Palpatine. There is hope in the Galaxy, because Anakin, the embodiment of the force is fighting for light.

But he gets manipulated, turns to the dark. Then what happens? He has kids. Suffers tragedy, and becomes a sith Lord. The sith rule the Galaxy. Anakin's daughter joins the rebel alliance and becomes a figure of politics. Obi Wan watched over Luke during the dark days. Luke becomes aware of the force, and the will of the force, AGAIN acts through the Skywalker family. Luke loves his father. Joins the light side of the force. Saves Anakin. Anakin to the light side, with support from his son, who has love from his twin sister, Sith destroyed. Peace in the Galaxy.

Galaxy is in peace until Luke (out of character) almost kills his nephew. Nephew turns to dark, Luke cuts himself off from the force.. Ben Solo, a dark side user now, also a Skywalker, has shifted balance again. But surprise! Palpatine survived. For the third generation, The Skywalkers have DIRECTLY effected the balance of the force. Ben idolized Vader. Luke saw darkness in Ben.

This is why it's significant and why this series is an abomination and an insult to Star Wars and to the fans who are so touched by the family aspect of the saga. We have thousands of years of conflict, ancient Jedi and Sith conflict. The force creates Anakin to act through. Thus, the Skywalker saga/episode films begin. The Skywalker family is GREATER and more powerful than the sith and the Jedi. That's the point. That family is the heart and soul of the saga, the heart and soul of the Galaxy and the heart and soul of the force. Luke saved Anakin.

Now, Palpatine is back. Anakin as the chosen one, and his family's impact is irrelevant as the hero is not a Skywalker. Not only is Anakin as the Chosen One undermined by ALL the Jedi working through Rey (when HE was chosen by the force), but the entire impact his family has on the Galaxy, as well as his family being the heart of the saga and Galaxy IS TOTALLY undermined by Rey not only concluding what a Skywalker should do, but taking the name, for herself, as THE ONLY Skywalker, without being related.

It's absolutely disgusting.

 

[Hollis Mason]

As a standalone film, i think this one can be an entertaining film for some.

As a Star Wars fan, what a ****ing piece of garbage was this ****. Can't believe they managed to destroy the Skywalker legacy even more than TFA and TLJ. But they ****ing did.

 

[jaqua99]

Anakin was established as the chosen one who was destined to defeat Palpatine once and for all. This film said otherwise. This whole trilogy has been about robbing the Skywalkers of their heritage/accomplishments and giving it all to Rey.

It's not hard for anyone to see that Disney took a huge dump on the established mythology in order to make Rey into the most credible Jedi ever.

Bingo. Nail on the head.

 

[C. Lee]

It’s nice to hear you and her enjoyed it C Lee

I liked it a lot....she LOVED it. It had some really nice surprises.

 

[Herolee10]

It's disgusting. The SKYWALKERS are what Star Wars is all about. For Disney to just slap the name onto their fan fic character without making her related is just aweful.

It's like when people say Ahsoka planted the seed the Luke later sprouted. No. Conceptually, Anakin was gone until Luke saved him.

People may have issue with Lucas direction, but Star Wars and it's mythology was his story. If he isn't involved, it ain't Star Wars. The prequels trilogy FELT like Star wars.

Agreed. Honestly, I feel like the only way that you could salvage this is is Disney appoints someone competent that actually understands and embraces the mythology to oversee all of the films and to have it revealed that Luke had a child that he and no one else knew about. Use that new child to redeem the family name/legacy.

 

[Broseph44]

I liked it a lot....she LOVED it. It had some really nice surprises.

Just curious hold old is your daughter? It’s awesome that a new generation has their own trilogy now.

 

[C. Lee]

Just curious hold old is your daughter? It’s awesome that a new generation has their own trilogy now.

She just turned 13 last week. She's a fan of the STAR WARS universe....we have gone to the theater on the opening Thursday nights for the last 5 movies. I have seen all of the movies on either the opening day or the midnight premier before opening day.

 

[Travesty]

I didn't hate, but I didn't love it. I actually have no idea what I think about it, other than I know I'm not at any extreme with it. All this did, was make me realize how terrible and useless TLJ is, and how this entire trilogy feels a bit too manufactured.

I dunno, this is one of the weirdest trilogies I have ever experienced. Very odd.

 

[Broseph44]

She just turned 13 last week. She's a fan of the STAR WARS universe....we have gone to the theater on the opening Thursday nights for the last 5 movies. I have seen all of the movies on either the opening day or the midnight premier before opening day.

Very cool. Well again glad you guys enjoyed it

 

[jaqua99]

As a standalone film, i think this one can be an entertaining film for some.

As a Star Wars fan, what a ****ing piece of garbage was this ****. Can't believe they managed to destroy the Skywalker legacy even more than TFA and TLJ. But they ****ing did.

Yeah im not going to see this one.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

So I ended up liking it. It’s certainly not my favorite but man, some of the spoilers got blown way out of proportion for me.

1. Palpatine having weird plans.
Basically I didn’t mind these because I assume either Palpatine knew Kylo wouldn’t kill her, or that if he did then he was more powerful and Palpatine could transfer into him. Then the Force Dyad, I think Palpatine didn’t know how strong it was until they came together.

2. The Final Order’s destruction.
Honestly, that first early reviewed claimed that they were just defeated when Palpatine died. Did they watch the film? The explain the destroyers have no shields, can’t take off once the transmitter is down, and a 1000 ships show up to help. Seems pretty self explanatory to me. Plus the extra shots of FO ships being taken down.

3. Palpatine being alive.
Yeah we get no technical explanation but he claimed he was actually dead, and he also claimed to have all Sith in him, so Sith Ritual? It wasn’t as annoying as I thought either way.

I’m sure there’s other stuff I’m forgetting but I really got into the film. It’s way too fast paced, it really needed extra time like they had Endgame. Also, Palps death sucked, the kiss wasn’t as cringe as I thought but still didn’t make much sense. And Leia’s death to supposedly save Kylo was pretty poorly explained.

 

[Web-Head]

I can't believe they made Reylo happen and no way they planned for Rey to be Palpatine's granddaughter.

I enjoyed it though, but the climax/third act brought it down.

 

[spiderman2]

Not sure why people are saying they didnt plain for Rey to be a papitain sure seemed like they did to me and i love love it.

 

[Filmfan93]

Well thats really good to hear, even though i liked TLJ. so would you say that you'd disagree with the critics mostly?

Yep, the film doesn't deserve its RT score - my opinion, though.

 

[spiderman2]

 

[TheDreamMaster]

I absolutely love the prequels. Episode 3 is one of my favorite movies ever. And regardless of the film execution, it still stays true to the mythology Lucas created. These movies genuinely don't feel like they belong in the universe Lucas created.

I’m nicer on the sequels but I love the prequels, and that’s a problem I had. Look at Felucia in RotS. The CGI may be wonky but what a cool world. At least if Lucas went for a similar planet, he made something new about it. Now take Jakku...Tattooine 2.0. Hell, in TFA they go from Takodana to D’Qar and I swear it’s basically the same planet. I’ll give them Crait and Exegol, and that’s about it.

I also hate the sequels the lack of old aliens. Don’t get me wrong, the new stuff mostly looks great, but I don’t care it’s a big galaxy, one Rodian or Trandoshan in Max castle wouldn’t have been some terrible thing.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

So am I to assume if you have the Force you can resist FO conditioning? Because this went way for Finn being Force-sensitive too, but then Jannah mentioned having feelings it was wrong, but her whole squad didn’t agree. I wondered if that rumored Stormtrooper rebellion was a thing at one point, but got cut down to just that group. Who we didn’t even get to know beyond Jannah.

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, I would not be surprised if the next main protagonist ends up discovering the buried lightsabers at the Lars homestead. There's just too much temptation to not go there.

 

[The Guard]

The amount of people missing the point of Rey taking the Skywalker name and complaining because she's not actually their blood is…sad. No one sees any value in the "adopted legacy" angle?

I don’t see why it really matters that Rey isn’t a random Force gifted. Either she's privileged because she was gifted with natural magic powers, or she's privileged because she was gifted with natural magic powers and happened to be related to a Senator, which she didn't know and never seems to have benefited from.

Given that there are eight other films dealing heavily in “destiny” and whatnot, there’s actually something poetic about what being a Palpatine does for the parallels between her and Kylo Ren, and their respective choices and arcs.

And here's the thing, she still came from nothing. She was for all intents and purposes, very much a nobody. No one seemed to know her, no one seemed to care about her. She still spent time as an abused, outcast scavenger without a family, much in the way of friends, etc. She struggled to survive, and her dreams were those of the oppressed. I think people are splitting hairs when it comes to some of those complaints.

Overall, I think the “twist” works about as well as any of the usual melodramatic mumbo jumbo in the grand narrative sense of “adding another layer to the mystery”. I always figured TLJ's ”nobody” angle was a red herring anyway. It’s introduced abruptly, and doesn’t really jive with what’s in the rest of the film. And the dead giveaway is that Kylo apparently says it to make her lose control. He's trying to hurt her, to make her lose hope, to give in to the Dark Side. The Sith lie. She's clearly NOT a nobody in any reasonable sense in the context of the saga of the Jedi and Sith. She was gifted with The Force.

No, they don’t explain how Palpatine survived/was reborn, though I suspect that rather obvious machinery he was hooked up to had something to do with it. But since when, aside from basic plot logistics, have Star Wars movies explained much of anything? Like, what do we actually know from the films about how the First Order rose, what the Knights of Ren are, or any of the logistics of...anything? It’s all vague good and evil, and has been for two preceding films, and five if you count the OT.

The Palpatine reveal is jarring. It’s supposed to be. The entire first act feels like the movie knows it’s a modern sci-fi serial. The first act’s pacing is…something. I’m curious how it plays on a second viewing. Anyone seen it twice?

As far as Palpatine coming back…people keep saying they wanted them to do something "different". Well, what they did “differently” with the villain was Kylo Ren. If the ultimate evil is, as evidenced by Snoke and Palpatine, going to be a nebulous evil, then it might as well be Palpatine.

They didn't just have Palpatine randomly show up and throw lightning, though. They did something with it. He had an actual, albeit vague goal, to give rise to the Sith. They tied him to Rey. He was less nebulously evil here than he traditionally has been (prequels aside). I think his inclusion was fairly justified, if imperfect.

As for Palpatine frying himself with his own lightning…pushed to his limits, Palpatine has generally been shown not to be able to really control his hate, and by extension, his power. He couldn’t in EMPIRE, either.

I see people saying Kylo Ren was supposed to be the big bad. They clearly set up a redemption arc from the first film on. It couldn’t be clearer what the intention was. Even in Episode XIII, which was meant to be a set back in his redemption. Episode XIII was not intended to be a rejection of the idea that the character could be redeemed.

That said, by any reasonable cinematic moral standard, Kylo wasn’t going to survive this movie. This is a Disney movie. A four quadrant family film. They’re not going to let the guy who has killed countless “innocents” out of a "final" fate.

I don’t see how this movie affects anything about the original trilogy, prequels, or anything other than TLJ. Anakin DID bring balance to the force in the original and prequel trilogy, but we’re meant to wonder in what capacity, the reality of his impact was never meant to be close ended. No clue how Vader’s sacrifice is rendered pointless by this movie, or how the Skywakers are rendered pointless. Vader still made his sacrifice. Still helped defeat the Empire. He still redeemed himself.

 

[henzINNIT]

The amount of people missing the point of Rey taking the Skywalker name and complaining because she's not actually their blood is…sad. No one sees any value in the "adopted legacy" angle?

The level of faux offense about this is insane. It represents her reverence. It's aspirational. Rey adopts the name to preserve and continue the legacy, and people are acting like it's theft and disrespect.

 

[The Guard]

The level of faux offense about this is insane. It represents her reverence. It's aspirational. Rey adopts the name to preserve and continue the legacy, and people are acting like it's theft and disrespect.

Exactly. Like Luke and Leia, who are sitting their smiling at her, would have an issue with it. You would think it would be empowering. It doesn't just reflect her reverence...but her sense of belonging, at long last. Its cheesy, but it works.

 

[MaceB]

It's great that Rey adopts the Skywalker name. That makes it less about biology, which I think is a good thing. The force started out as this awe inspiring thing that could empower anyone. I'd like to go back to that. I don't like the midichlorian, force ability hereditary stuff. Obviously that has to be there somewhat, but I like the idea that there is more than a name than just blood; experience, tutelage, and viewpoint matter too. I think TRoS does an okay job of pointing us in that direction.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I didn't hate, but I didn't love it. I actually have no idea what I think about it, other than I know I'm not at any extreme with it. All this did, was make me realize how terrible and useless TLJ is, and how this entire trilogy feels a bit too manufactured.

I dunno, this is one of the weirdest trilogies I have ever experienced. Very odd.

Gee, what a glowing review.

 

[writer0327]

Yea Rey Palpatine makes no sense. Rey Skywalker makes even less. So through Palpatine's bloodline we get a character even more powerful than the Skywalker bloodline, the bloodline created by the Force itself? Is that what we're doing here?

I loved Rey until this film, now I don't know what to think.

 

[Web-Head]

I highly doubt the original plan (was there one?) for Rey to be a Palpatine. I don't even think she needed to be related to anyone and I wasn't crazy about it, mostly because Ben is already Anakin's grandkid.