The Dark Knight Rises Robin

[Stupify_me]

I think a Nightwing would not come until Robin became 19,20,21 - when Dick has become a man in every way and is ready to leave his "father" behind him. However that is still no reason to bring Robin into the fold at an earlier age.

The ideal timescheme:

Dick Grayson adopted at age 10-12. Finds out about Batman shortly after. Eventually becomes Robin by age 12.

Age 12-15 Robin does only scouting work and infact has very little combat training.

Age 16-17 Robin keeps scouting work, starts training.

Age 18, Robin enters the true role of side kick.

Age 21, Robin becomes Nightwing.

I simply do not want a robin and I wouldn't much care for that scale simply because he is doing scout work and he is only 12 , 13.

I am not saying skip robin and do nighwing I am saying instead of the Robin name or costume he goes by the name of Nightwing in a similar costume to his he can still be a sidekick / Partner and live in Gotham just not be Robin.

I would say

9 or 10 parents die Bruce takes him in

10 - 12 he is just there living and growing in more pain and Bruce sees him becoming very angry and wanting revenge so he tells him the secret and starts to train him at around 12

14 starts field work but very little still doing mostly training.

16 perferably 17 becomes a full time sidekick / Partner

 

[StorminNorman]

I simply do not want a robin and I wouldn't much care for that scale simply because he is doing scout work and he is only 12 , 13.

I am not saying skip robin and do nighwing I am saying instead of the Robin name or costume he goes by the name of Nightwing in a similar costume to his he can still be a sidekick / Partner and live in Gotham just not be Robin.

I would say

9 or 10 parents die Bruce takes him in

10 - 12 he is just there living and growing in more pain and Bruce sees him becoming very angry and wanting revenge so he tells him the secret and starts to train him at around 12

14 starts field work but very little still doing mostly training.

16 perferably 17 becomes a full time sidekick / Partner

I don't see how Bruce could take care of Dick while being Batman at the same time WITHOUT Dick being involved some how. Look at Dark Victory.

 

[Stupify_me]

I don't see how Bruce could take care of Dick while being Batman at the same time WITHOUT Dick being involved some how. Look at Dark Victory.

Meh Alfred can take care of him just fine

 

[StorminNorman]

Meh Alfred can take care of him just fine

Not with out hurting Dick. Alfred can't be Batman's sidekick (which is what he is in a pre-Robin world) AND Dick's father.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Here is how I would go about doing it:

Around Ages 8-10 Dick's parents die and Bruce takes him in.

Around Ages 9-11 He finds out Bruce is Batman (after a good amount of time of them struggling to get along since Bruce is never there).

Around Ages 11-13 Dick begins non-combative training like detective skills and stuff like chemistry; vigorously trains his acrobatics.

Around Ages 13-14 Dick begins his combative training as well continue to vigorously train his acrobatics.

Ages 15-16 He faces The Gauntlet and becomes Robin.

I think even people who don't want Robin because of how unrealistic it would be to have a little kid fighting crime could agree with that structure. This is almost more realistic giving the amount of time he actually trains before becoming Robin. Keep in mind this would be from the end of the third movie onward.

 

[Lex Luthor]

Meh Alfred can take care of him just fine

Not that I am disagreeing with you about Alfred's capabilities of taking care of Dick Grayson. I just think it would be kinda funny to see a similar exchange between Dick and Alfred.

Dick Grayson: "You still havent given up on me either have you Alfred?"

Alfred: "Never!"

 

[saint sinner x]

You don't want Robin in because he is campy yet you bring in Mr. Freeze who, IMHO, has been shown the campiest in the Shumacher movies compared to Robin.

First of all I said I wouldn't mind seeing a cameo of Dr.Victor Freeze, I was implying that he should be introduced and leave as it is. Just a minor role for Dr.Victor Freeze.

 

[Stupify_me]

Here is how I would go about doing it:

Around Ages 8-10 Dick's parents die and Bruce takes him in.

Around Ages 9-11 He finds out Bruce is Batman (after a good amount of time of them struggling to get along since Bruce is never there).

Around Ages 11-13 Dick begins non-combative training like detective skills and stuff like chemistry; vigorously trains his acrobatics.

Around Ages 13-15 Dick begins his combative training as well continue to vigorously train his acrobatics.

Ages 15-16 He becomes Robin.

That sounds good as long as he does not become robin lol.

 

[StorminNorman]

Mr. Freeze was far from being the most campiest villian. Sure he had his goof ball moments - however he had by far the most intresting back story of any of Joel's gang and had moments where he played a good villian. IMO Arnold's Freeze was the fourth best of the 90's franchise - as far as villians go.

 

[trustyside-kick]

That sounds good as long as he does not become robin lol.

I'm not even saying he becomes Robin on film. It would be more like an assumption that either A) He is training to become Robin or B) He is Robin at the end as an assumption.

 

[StorminNorman]

As soon as Dick Grayson starts working out with Batman he is going to want to name himself - I mean come on, who wouldn't? So even though a Scout/Recon Dick Grayson would not take up the green and red suit, it does not mean he wouldn't have the name Robin.

 

[Stupify_me]

I'm not even saying he becomes Robin on film. It would be more like an assumption that either A) He is training to become Robin or B) He is Robin at the end as an assumption.

Like I said I would be cool with it if he was Nightwing in the movies I just hate every single thing about Robin for the most part

 

[saint sinner x]

If you take that Nolan quote at full face value you are delusional, it was a joke. Just because the character may not show up in NOLAN's trilogy does not mean he wont show up later.

As I said earlier, having Robin in does not mean we will be getting a pre-teen fighting crime with Batman. Robin's role will of course have to change, he will have to be used more as a scout, after all - a small boy can get around the city much easier than the Prince of Gotham. (Ironically enough, this was used in the early Batman comics).

Robin has a big fanbase do you honestly think they will appreciate the change in robin's character? Batman got away with it in Batman Begins because in the comics his origins were never really explained, they were only explained in flashback panels. Now batman endangering the life of a child that is going around the streets doing recon for batman sounds lame and ignorant and totally out of character of Nolan's vision. Robin should never be in Batman Begins trilogy and even if WB decides to go do a 4th movie without Nolan i'm not seeing that crap because it will probably end up being crap. I cannot see another person taking Nolan's reinvention and continueing from there. If Nolan decides to make a saga even better but I believe it should be like this, Nolan should make all the Batman movies he wants and then after he's finished we should at least get a live action movie of "Batman Beyond" or "The Dark Knight Returns".

 

[Lex Luthor]

Like I said I would be cool with it if he was Nightwing in the movies I just hate every single thing about Robin for the most part

Well then you really must have cringed the first time you saw Batman Forever, and heard that, "Holy rusted metal, Batman!" line. t:

 

[trustyside-kick]

Like I said I would be cool with it if he was Nightwing in the movies I just hate every single thing about Robin for the most part

But there is only one real reason I have a problem with that: I like to try to stay close to the comics; Nolan was still pretty accurate which I liked.

Have you read Nightwing: Year One? The whole reason of him being Nightwing wouldn't be possible unless he became Robin...I am talking about it wouldn't make sense. That would be completely ignoring any history about Dick Grayson. Everything about the concept of Nightwing has history behind it: the name, his first suit, the reason for becoming Nightwing, etc.

 

[Stupify_me]

But there is only one real reason I have a problem with that: I like to try to stay close to the comics; Nolan was still pretty accurate which I liked.

Have you read Nightwing: Year One? The whole reason of him being Nightwing wouldn't be possible unless he became Robin...I am talking about it wouldn't make sense. That would be completely ignoring any history about Dick Grayson. Everything about the concept of Nightwing has history behind it: the name, his first suit, the reason for becoming Nightwing, etc.

I understand that but the idea of Robin is just horrible the name every version of the suit every verion that is possible while still staying close to the basic look is just bad. I would prefer it never happen I am just saying if they have to bring something in I would prefer nightwing over Robin.

 

[Stupify_me]

Well then you really must have cringed the first time you saw Batman Forever, and heard that, "Holy rusted metal, Batman!" line. t:

Actually I laughed my ass off. I never expected anything good because I wasn't a huge fan of Burton and I knew that Joel was just going to be worse. Oh and I was younger so it didn't take much for me to be entertained.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I understand that but the idea of Robin is just horrible the name every version of the suit every verion that is possible while still staying close to the basic look is just bad. I would prefer it never happen I am just saying if they have to bring something in I would prefer nightwing over Robin.

To me the first Robin suit is only great depending how the artist draws it. The way Jim Lee drew the promo poster for All Star Batman and Robin made me fall in love with that suit because of how well he made it look.

I never liked Tim Drake's suit after he stopped wearing the first Robon Suit. I hated all the green on him, especially the gloves.

The current Robin suit however, looks amazing. It had so much inspiriation from the great design of Robin in TNBAS and I loved that.

 

[Stupify_me]

To me the first Robin suit is only great depending how the artist draws it. The way Jim Lee drew the promo poster for All Star Batman and Robin made me fall in love with that suit because of how well he made it look.

I never liked Tim Drake's suit after he stopped wearing the first Robon Suit. I hated all the green on him, especially the gloves.

The current Robin suit however, looks amazing. It had so much inspiriation from the great design of Robin in TNBAS and I loved that.

See I think they are all ugly and very very campy more campy than anything that has been in Batman for the last 10 maybe 15 years

 

[Katsuro]

Have you seen Tim Drake's new suit? It's basically the TNBAS suit. Red and black, no green. He has gaunlets like Batman, and his cape is scalloped to resemble bird feathers. He also wears pants! If they just applied that design to a Nomex suit, it'd look great.

 

[Savage]

Awesomeness. I can see this being used actually.
I'd settle for this though. Have the cape be able to wrap around him so he can be invisble when he wants to.

 

[Matt]

You know, on one hand...I don't see Robin ever translating well to film. On the other...he is just such an important part of Batman mythos.

Perhaps in the third film...if they kept him in a limited role...sort of like his role in Jeph Loeb's Dark Victory...that could work out well.

 

[Nefilim_Rising]

Hi guys, newbie here... though i have been reading your posts a lot quite often. Just greeting you people belated Labor Day... for those who're from the US.

As for Robin, i think he might work... given he was portrayed in the right light, i.e, much like Batman himself. (An angst-filled kid who doesn't take crap from anyone since he seeks vengeance on those who have wronged him, and a vicious mean streak which Batman himself helps hone and discipline into a crime-fighter much like himself.) Of course, we all know Robin as the one who keeps Batsy from being too dark and vengeful, but if Nolan decides to make another sequel after the third movie comes out he could take liberties with the character of Dick Grayson... There should be some sort of balance when it comes to viciousness/rebelliousness and child-like innocence.. (considering Robin would be in his teens) though eventually the former would still take control as he should take his work seriously much like Bruce would. He sees Bruce as a mentor, and I wouldn't mind seeing Robin acting more like Batman, despite being just a TAD light with his antics as his career progresses into the movie continuity...

as for the costume, i'd see him wearing an all-black armor/costume with minor highlights of red on his chestplate as to be faithful to the current Robin look. no green whatsoever though since it would harken back memories of Batman Forever (IMO a good superhero film but doesn't fit the mood and style of the Batman mythos as it was meant to be presented..)

although i personally prefer his costume would make an appearance in the fifth film by the middle of the story... part four would be development of his character and the first half of Batman 5 would focus on him training already, where he'd take out all his frustrations on thugs albeit with less grace and skill.. anger being his worst enemy, since he's still unknowledgeable of how being a crime fighter works. Angst, anger, depression, frustration, and eventually honing all these things into something that would work to his advantage..

JUST AN OPINION though.

 

[Savage]

Personally, I'd like his first appearance (3rd movie I hope) to be an origin flick all on it's own. Semi-solo. No training, just a kid living with Bruce who wants to use his own brand of justice. He'd sneak out at night using a make-shift costume. No armor. He'd use his acrobatics but it can only get him so far. He'd get to whatever trouble there is before Batman does, Batman would save his ass but be pissed that he's there in the first place. During the climax it's pretty much all Batman till he himself needs help and the favor is returned (A trap or something. Not getting his ass kicked. I say if someone can kick Batman's ass, what the hell can Robin do?).

Bruce thanks him back at the mansion, they have a discussion, Alfred takes Dick's side, eventually Bruce says yes but that he will need training and he won't be going out on the street for a while as long he has any say so, BUT when the time is right that they will be partners.

To me this would be a great end to the trilogy with the plus that if they wanted to continue, they very easily could...Plus Two-Face is most likely the villain of the third right? There you go. Dark Victory homage.

 

[xanberkeley]

Maybe Im in the minority but I dont really want Robin on TDK even on part 3. Let Warner kick off a different franchise for him.