The Dark Knight Rises Robin

[Savage]

Hmm. Well the way I see it, these movies seem to be following Year One, The Long Halloween, and Dark Victory. I'm sure Dick Grayson will either appear at the end of the third movie or be full out Robin. Either way I think the Dick Grayson character will definately make an appearance by the third movie...

 

[El Payaso]

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[diagonbruce]

How about Never?

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

As someone who loves the Robin character(s) in the comics, I must say I'm in the camp that hopes that he's never in a Batman movie again. Batman is a loner and should stay that way.

 

[Katsuro]

So says the poster using the lamest Joker of all time as his avatar.

ZING!!!

Batman is a loner and should stay that way.

He's really not though. I mean, Batman's has one of the biggest supporting casts out there, especially in regards to sidekicks.

 

[The Kid]

BATMAN doesn't smile.

He does but its more of a smirk than a full smile.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

He's really not though. I mean, Batman's has one of the biggest supporting casts out there, especially in regards to sidekicks.

Well, actually, I was just referring to Batman Begins. But that's one of the things I don't like about the Batman comics. I mean, I like characters like Cassandra Caine, and Azrael, but really, I never thought he needed a "Bat-family." If it were up to me, he'd occaissionally get some intel from Oracle, and that'd be it. Although Tim Drake is actually one of my favorite characters, I just like Batman better by himself. If I were writing the stories, Batman would be the sole savior of Gotham, Nightwing would stay in Bludhaven, and Tim Drake would be off leading the Teen Titans or something.

But Christopher Nolan's Batman? Please, no sidekicks.

 

[Savage]

Well as far as I'm concerned, Christopher Nolan is just the director. Just like Shumacher was just the director and Burton was just the director and every other person to direct Batman. It's up to them to take what was written and bring it to reality. I'm a Batman fan and that includes every aspect about him and his supporting characters. Just like Angel fans don't just watch the show for Angel. To me not to include a character like Dick Grayson/Robin eventually would be a great disservice to a character like Batman. Robin is about as campy as a guy dressed up as a bat in the first place so I don't see where the "It would be too campy" argument comes from with anybody.

I like Batman, I like everything about his book. I don't just read for the crime stories but his interraction with the rest of his supporting cast. One of the things I was looking forward to being done right in this new series was not only Batman but characters like The Penguin, Robin, Two-Face. To me this is a second chance to really deliver what I read the comic for.

This is why I hope as the movies continue, his "regulars" grow from more than just Alfred and Jim Gordon.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

nevar

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

Robin is about as campy as a guy dressed up as a bat in the first place so I don't see where the "It would be too campy" argument comes from with anybody.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Robin is a good deal campier than Batman for one reason; he's a child. I just never could really believe the idea of Batman putting a kid's life at constant risk. Now maybe I could buy Bruce taking in a young Dick Grayson and training him as a successor because he shares his pain, but I would honestly hate to see some teenager on screen with Bale beating up bad guys. I mean, sure, I'll buy it in the comics, but it's just a bit of a stretch for me, especially considering he's still haunted by Jason Todd's death.

And one more thing, for me, the definitive Robin isn't Dick Grayson, it's Tim Drake. One of the reasons I like Robin in the comics is the history of the Robin mantle. The only way I would ever want to see Robin on the big screen again is to have the whole history of the character(s), from Dick's evolution into Nightwing, Jason Todd's death by the Joker's hand, and the introduction of Tim Drake, the best Robin. That in itself would take an entire trilogy and will never happen. What I do not want to see is to see Dick Grayson being introduced in the last film and becomming Robin, and have Jason Todd and Tim Drake retconned out of existance.

And still, all of this would take years. I for one do not ever want to see Batman age. I think Batman should be in his late-20's early 30's and should stay that way forever. That's why I'm hoping the last two installments of the trilogy take place in their entirety within only a few years after Begins.

So, no Robin. Not now or ever.

 

[ad101867]

If we're talking Robin as we know him from the comics, then I say he should never be brought in. What I don't like about the comic-book Robin is (a) it's massively irresponsible to take a kid into dangerous situations and expect him to fight his way out; the idea's just ludicrous. And (b) Robin's suit has always sucked; he and Batman don't have superpowers but rely on stealth. Green, yellow and red aren't in the stealth vein, exactly. Plus you know darn well Robin's not hiding any kevlar in there.

However, I'd be open to a new protegé-type character inspired by Robin and Nightwing. Here's a scenario suggested by a friend of mine. A young and angry kid, barely 18, has survived the destruction caused by Bruce at the League of Shadows headquarters. He's clueless about good and evil, but passionate about the League's agenda, and he tracks Bruce to Gotham and tries to tail Batman and engage him.

Batman wipes the street with the kid's rear, of course, but kinda feels sorry for him at the same time. Bruce then tries to make friends with the kid and offers to complete his training. Bruce isn't looking for a partner, but this would be done out of compassion. Kid goes on to get his own crime-fighting suit (all dark tones for nighttime activity) and calls himself Nightwing, not Robin. Maybe he sticks with Bats for a while; maybe he strikes out on his own (though probably not in Gotham).

A different variation - but still involving Batman taking a troubled youth under his wing - could borrow a bit of Alex Ross's WAR ON CRIME. That scene where a ghetto kid confronts Bats with a pistol and Batman just stares him down and then hugs the kid - that's a very moving little story in the Batman mythos. A film variation on that with the kid being 18 or so would be great; Batman having a positive impact on urban youth.

I'd be willing to bet most Bat-fans would go along with that sort of innovation.

 

[batman7289]

nevah

 

[Savage]

I think you're both missing the point of Robin. He's a tool (hardy har. Not that kind of tool). Batman uses him for recon and to distract enemies. The way I see it working in the movie, Robin would be up on a rooftop somewhere with a laptop feeding Batman information and having them talk through ear pieces and such. He would really be a partner/Batman in training, not some kid randomly thrown into dangerous situations. He'd be the one to rescue Batman in situations even he can't get out of and that Alfred can't reach in time. In fact, that's how I'd like to see him introduced. Batman arguing with Alfred for help, Alfred arguing that there's no way that he can make it in time and here's Robin saving his life.

Do any of you watch Blade the series? Think Shen's roll and you get the idea.

As for endangering a child's life, that's a very important character point of Batman. He's gotten much more...out there. Almost illogical. Calling this a war and these people his soliders (Check out "The Dark Knight Returns" for an extreme form of this). It's not supposed to make sense. It's not supposed to be right. It's supposed to make you question this man's sanity. By the third movie probably 50% of his time is in the cave and 40 or 45% is spent crime fighting and he let's a 13-14 year old kid do this. Dick has grown up to resent him for a reason. These are very important points of Batman character and career that I would like to see brought to film.

Robin, Catwoman, all very important parts of Batman's evolution. In the first movie he's very willing to get into a relationship with Rachel. I want to see the point where he doesn't want to be emotionally close to anyone and is even cold to the people he loves.

 

[Mr_Mortis]

I just don't think Robin would fit in to Nolan's vision of Batman. Basically because Nolan himself said he wouldn't include Robin.

 

[Savage]

Eh. If he was to be brought in, I'd trust their talented writers to portray him well and not just Batman's tacked on partner to draw in a younger audience (Shumacher's Batman and the original run with Robin's first appearance). He can actually be a very useful tool and make Batman's operation look more...professional for lack of a better term. Like backup (there's only so much a swarm of bats can do).

My point is Alfred won't always be there to pick him up and drive him home. What if he's in a situation worse than being passed out on a wet roof?

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

Again, the only way I want to see Robin on the big screen again is if I get to see ALL of them. But there's just no way that will happen, so I'd rather Bats just stay a loner. I would just hate to see the trilogy end with Dick Grayson being introduced as Robin. I think THAT would be more of a disservice to the Robin character than just leaving him out entirely. But that's me.

 

[Mr. Vice]

Robin should never be seen anywhere near a Batman movie as long as Nolan's directing them.

 

[Charleswelsh]

maybe instead of being a circus performer he and his brothers/ sisters could be really into parkour. maybe while trying to save their parents from *insert villain here* perched precariously above gotham, they all die except for robin. meh, its an idea.

 

[Danalys]

it always seems to me that in the best batman stories him and robin don't spend much time together. robin's basically doing something batman hasn't got time to do, or needs to be rescued. when the **** hits the fan and there's something only the batman can handle he doesn't want robin anywhere near it. the films should be those moments. in tv and the comics it can work but not in films. they just don't have the time. and bats has got alfred to keep him out of the dark. that and side kicks are inherently bad. some have managed to get away from the badness after a few decades. side kicks are a child audiences gateway into the world of batman. the movies don't need that.

 

[Savage]

Well I've always liked Whistler and Shen and they're sidekicks (mind you they're not children). I just think that it'd be one good way of showing Batman's crazy and even desperate aspect of his character. That Alfred would back talk him about it only to have Bruce talk him down and "assure" him he knows what he's doing and that in his opinion this child "needs his guidance"...Basicly something that makes people wonder "WTF are you doing man?! Are you insane?!". YES!

 

[SilentType]

I think Batman works better alone. Nothing more complicated than that.

 

[Mr. Vice]

maybe instead of being a circus performer he and his brothers/ sisters could be really into parkour. maybe while trying to save their parents from *insert villain here* perched precariously above gotham, they all die except for robin. meh, its an idea.

Hmmmmm, sounds like Batman Forever.

 

[RachelF5]

Grayson is the best.

 

[Stupify_me]

Never if they want a Batman and Robin film let it be in a differant franchise I would hate to see the Nolan Franchise get destroyed.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Neva!