The Dark Knight Rises Robin

[DavidTyler]

The films don't really need the character. In fact, I think it would hurt it in the long run. Let's leave Robin in the comics for now ... even though I really like his new look.

 

[Savage]

Maybe Im in the minority but I dont really want Robin on TDK even on part 3. Let Warner kick off a different franchise for him.

But that would be like Ant-Man getting his own mo...Wait, better example. That would be like Bucky getting his own movie.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

Maybe Im in the minority but I dont really want Robin on TDK even on part 3. Let Warner kick off a different franchise for him.

It'll never happen, but I fully agree with you. I don't want to see a half-assed Robin. And that's exactly what it would be IMO to bring in Dick Grayson, and not see him become Nightwing and be replaced by Tim Drake. I really don't even like the idea of retconning Jason Todd the way TAS did, but I suppose I could live with it. But bringing in a pubescent Dick Grayson at the end of the trilogy when Bale is pushing 40? That's exactly what I do NOT want to see.

 

[Savage]

Eh. To me that's like saying "Why bother with a Batman movie if we're not going to see Jean-Paul Valley?".

 

[spideyman101]

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER!!! Robin sucks!

 

[CConn]

But that would be like Ant-Man getting his own mo...Wait, better example. That would be like Bucky getting his own movie.

Have you read any Robin comics? I actually think a Robin movie could work pretty well.

Not that it'd ever happen, mind you.

Eh. To me that's like saying "Why bother with a Batman movie if we're not going to see Jean-Paul Valley?".

Robin is a shade more important to the mythos than Azrael.

I mean, even though I really have no love for Bucky, but I couldn't blame someone for saying Bucky needs to be in a Captain American movie.

 

[Savage]

I know that but wouldn't Robin's origin need to come up? That involves Batman. I say kill two birds with one stone and like you said, not like someone would really give Robin a movie all to himself anyway so just make him a part of Batman's movie.

And his point was that he doesn't want Robin in the movies unless all Robins are shown which is ridiculous to me because it's exactly like saying "Batman should not be done unless Jean-Paul Valley is in it".

I'm actually in the group that says Robin needs to be in a Batman movie, and hell, while I'm at it, I want Bucky in a Captain America movie too...I mean I wouldn't like an Avengers movie to just have Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man just because they're the biggest characters and the others can barely hold their own book. Ant-man, Wasp, and Hawkeye are equally as important to the Avengers as Robin is to Batman.

 

[Savage]

I know that but wouldn't Robin's origin need to come up? That involves Batman. I say kill two birds with one stone and like you said, not like someone would really give Robin a movie all to himself anyway so just make him a part of Batman's movie.

And his point was that he doesn't want Robin in the movies unless all Robins are shown which is ridiculous to me because it's exactly like saying "Batman should not be done unless Jean-Paul Valley is in it".

I'm actually in the group that says Robin needs to be in a Batman movie, and hell, while I'm at it, I want Bucky in a Captain America movie too...I mean I wouldn't like an Avengers movie to just have Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man just because they're the biggest characters and the others can barely hold their own book. Ant-man, Wasp, and Hawkeye are equally as important to the Avengers as Robin is to Batman.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

Eh. To me that's like saying "Why bother with a Batman movie if we're not going to see Jean-Paul Valley?".

No, it's more like saying "Why bother with an Azrael movie if we're not going to see Jean-Paul Valley?" Dick Grayson is not Robin. Tim Drake is not Robin. Robin is all of them. If we only see Dick Grayson, then we don't see Tim Drake; the best robin, the way Robin SHOULD be. OTOH if we only see Tim Drake, then we don't see the real origin, or the birth of Nightwing. To me, that's an insult to the character. If you can't do the character justice, then leave it out.

 

[Savage]

Well Captain America has had many people take on the mantle, Black Panther, The Phantom, Ra's Al Ghul, Clayface, etc etc. Doesn't mean every single version should be brought on screen just to bring justice. That's why I brought Jean-Paul Valley who is very much a part of Batman's history as well. He may not have been there as long as Jason or Tim but he was there.

 

[Stupify_me]

Have you seen Tim Drake's new suit? It's basically the TNBAS suit. Red and black, no green. He has gaunlets like Batman, and his cape is scalloped to resemble bird feathers. He also wears pants! If they just applied that design to a Nomex suit, it'd look great.

And it still looks really lame

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

Well Captain America has had many people take on the mantle, Black Panther, The Phantom, Ra's Al Ghul, Clayface, etc etc. Doesn't mean every single version should be brought on screen just to bring justice.

Apples and oranges, man. NOT the same... I could be ok with no Jason Todd. But I just don't wanna see Dick Grayson and not see Tim Drake or vice versa. I guess I'm alone here, but I think if you leave out either of those two characters then you're leaving out Robin's essence. To me it'd be like having Batman and no Bruce Wayne.

 

[Savage]

Nah, not to me. Robin is as much of a mantle/undertaking as Captain America, Black Panther, The Phantom, Ghost Rider and others. It's kind of unfair to say "We need all three of them. They just need one.". I mean why can't they pull what the guys at Ghost Rider did? Johnny Blaze and Dan Ketch aren't both going to be in the movies so they took the best qualities of both and stuck it with the original. Dick Grayson was the first. Dick Grayson was the one to become Nightwing. Dick Grayson was a co-founder of the Teen Titans. Dick Grayson has had the closest relationship with Batman. It's to the point where he's becoming just like him. Hell, through the history of their media incarnations, Dick Grayson has been THE Robin. He was the first. I say just make him an amalgamation of the three Robins like Ghost Rider is the almalgamation of both his hosts.

 

[trustyside-kick]

There is no reason whatsoever to show all three robins or even Tim Drake. I really like Tim Drake as Robin and all but to be loyal to the comics you would have to have the movies "several years apart from eachother" and I wouldn't want that just so we can see all of the Robins; Bruce would have to be way older. It would be dumb anyway.

Aside from that, I'm not so sure Tim is the best Robin either. This is how I see it:

- Dick was the most agile and spirited.
- Jason was the toughest and best fighter.
- Tim is the best detective out of the 3.

Those are what I believe were each of their strengths. They are all good at those things I've said but some are better than the others in those areas.

I want Robin to be in the movie eventually but not out on the streets fighting crime. I've said that at the end one of them it could be a lil teaser or hint of him finally starting but I do not want to see him actually start to fight crime on screen. I would much rather have him going from detective training (and practicing his acrobatics), to chemistry and other academic training needed for fighting crime the way Bats does (while practicing his acrobatics), to finally combative training (and of course practicing his acrobatics).

 

[Savage]

I'd like to see him try it out on his own and be saved though. Trial and error so Batman takes him under his wing. Basicly "If you want to do this then fine. I can't stop you. But you're going to do this right."

 

[trustyside-kick]

I'd like to see him try it out on his own and be saved though. Trial and error so Batman takes him under his wing. Basicly "If you want to do this then fine. I can't stop you. But you're going to do this right."

Well that would help justify more what is Bruce is doing for Nolan's realistic vision besides Bruce assuming that "he will do so anyway and get killed so might as well train the boy to do it right"; which is basically how it is in continuity for Bruce deciding to train young Dick after he attacked Zucco.

 

[Savage]

Yup. Just want to see him try and fail first. I don't think he'd be exactly compliant if Bruce just said "You've gotta wait a few years first." He'd probably say "Screw that!" and sneak out to try it on his own only to get caught off guard and have Batman save him.

...In all honesty, Batman Forever had the Robin CONCEPT I want right but it was just written terribly.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Yup. Just want to see him try and fail first. I don't think he'd be exactly compliant if Bruce just said "You've gotta wait a few years first." He'd probably say "Screw that!" and sneak out to try it on his own only to get caught off guard and have Batman save him.

...In all honesty, Batman Forever had the Robin CONCEPT I want right but it was just written terribly.

Well I didn't like having Dick being so old though. I would rather have him young and it being hard for them to get along especially because Bruce is clearly no parent and is never around.

 

[TKing]

^Yeah. I could imagine Dick being a thorn in Batman's side, like Buddy was at the beginning of The Incredibles. Always tagging along, always around where he isn't wanted...

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

There is no reason whatsoever to show all three robins or even Tim Drake.

Oh, but I think there definitely is.

I really like Tim Drake as Robin and all but to be loyal to the comics you would have to have the movies "several years apart from eachother" and I wouldn't want that just so we can see all of the Robins; Bruce would have to be way older. It would be dumb anyway.

Uh, yeah, no *****. That's why I'd rather not see Robin at all.

Aside from that, I'm not so sure Tim is the best Robin either. This is how I see it:

- Dick was the most agile and spirited.
- Jason was the toughest and best fighter.
- Tim is the best detective out of the 3.

Those are what I believe were each of their strengths. They are all good at those things I've said but some are better than the others in those areas.

I never said it was anything more than just my opinion, but I do feel that Tim Drake is by a fairly significant margin the best Robin. I really feel like it's just be a slap in the face to see Robin and not see Tim Drake at some point.

I want Robin to be in the movie eventually but not out on the streets fighting crime. I've said that at the end one of them it could be a lil teaser or hint of him finally starting but I do not want to see him actually start to fight crime on screen. I would much rather have him going from detective training (and practicing his acrobatics), to chemistry and other academic training needed for fighting crime the way Bats does (while practicing his acrobatics), to finally combative training (and of course practicing his acrobatics).

And can we do this all in the limited time frame? Maybe, if he played a heavy role in TDK, but I think it's almost certain that neither Robin nor Dick Grayson have any role whatsoever in the next film, so really to cover all this the third film would have to almost be more about Robin than about Batman. The whole idea of bringing in Robin is just a big mess that I think is much better left untouched.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

Nah, not to me. Robin is as much of a mantle/undertaking as Captain America, Black Panther, The Phantom, Ghost Rider and others. It's kind of unfair to say "We need all three of them. They just need one.". I mean why can't they pull what the guys at Ghost Rider did? Johnny Blaze and Dan Ketch aren't both going to be in the movies so they took the best qualities of both and stuck it with the original. Dick Grayson was the first. Dick Grayson was the one to become Nightwing. Dick Grayson was a co-founder of the Teen Titans. Dick Grayson has had the closest relationship with Batman. It's to the point where he's becoming just like him. Hell, through the history of their media incarnations, Dick Grayson has been THE Robin. He was the first. I say just make him an amalgamation of the three Robins like Ghost Rider is the almalgamation of both his hosts.

Well you kinda proved my point here. Dick Grayson is more than just the original Robin. In leaving out his maturation into Nightwing, I think you're doing a much greater disservice to him as well as the mantle of Robin. I think Dick Grayson really deserves a franchise for himself. It's a slap in the face to all three of them IMO. Of course this all just on top of my belief that including Robin in this franchise in any way shape or form is a mistake anyway.

Of course I could be wrong on this, as only time will tell, but I honestly think if you're really hoping to see Robin at all, let alone the way you describe, you're going to be disappointed.

 

[StorminNorman]

Have you read any Robin comics? I actually think a Robin movie could work pretty well.

A Robin centered movie would work - but it would still have to feature a great deal of Batman, so I would rather them make Robin the side character and Batman the main.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I never said it was anything more than just my opinion, but I do feel that Tim Drake is by a fairly significant margin the best Robin. I really feel like it's just be a slap in the face to see Robin and not see Tim Drake at some point.

I fail to see how them showing Dick Grayson as a young kid in the film (Robin or not) is a slap in the face if we don't see Tim Drake somewhere down the line. How come you don't feel the same way about Jason? Besides the fact that he is back...he was one of Batman's greatest tradegies.

And can we do this all in the limited time frame? Maybe, if he played a heavy role in TDK, but I think it's almost certain that neither Robin nor Dick Grayson have any role whatsoever in the next film, so really to cover all this the third film would have to almost be more about Robin than about Batman. The whole idea of bringing in Robin is just a big mess that I think is much better left untouched.

I never said to do that all in one film. That is all I would like to see from Robin at all if they made any film past 3. Towards the end of the third film would be where I would want them to have him start any type of training.

 

[Savage]

Yeah, I know, but a guy can hope.
Besides, Nightwing is the solo character. Robin isn't. If people have enough issues with Batman taking a kid along with him as is, how do you think they'd feel if he let him run off on his own? That's even worse. I'd love to see a Nightwing movie, yes, but I'd want to see him set up as Robin first. I don't want something as important as his history with Batman to just be a trivial, passing mention. "oh yeah, and I trained and tagged along with Batman for a while, but I'm on my own now so attention here please!".

 

[SilentType]

The thing is, while I recognize that Robin is an important part of the mythos, and he and Bruce have an interesting dynamic, I think Batman is best when he is alone.
If they do put robin in, I would like it to be after movie 3, and I wouldn't want him to be out beating on people. I'd like to see him in training and running behind the scenes and low risk support that doesn't have him actively in contact with violent criminals. Perhaps when he's older and well trained he can move on to full sidekick/partner, and then to his own thing. That's assuming the series lasts long enough to do any of it.