Rolling Stone's Greatest Albums of the Decade

Wow...the lack of Metal on that list is just astounding.
 
green day is such a god awful band. and american idiot was such a god awful album.
 
Green Day was good, but then American Idiot came out. :csad:
 
Motown Marvel said:
green day is such a god awful band. and american idiot was such a god awful album.
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Okay, on the other hand now we have words. :oldrazz:

I will not call them the best band of the decade. But American Idiot was a fine album and likely is one of the better rock albums of the last 10 years and they deserve some credit.

In my opinion of course.
 
American Idiot wasn't as bad as 21st Century Breakdown.
 
I still think Warning is their best album, not to knock Dookie (which is I think their best selling album) or Nimrod (my second favorite of all their albums).
 
SuperFerret said:
I still think Warning is their best album, not to knock Dookie (which is I think their best selling album) or Nimrod (my second favorite of all their albums).
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I still haven't listened to Warning. :csad: I guess I should buy it.
 
Speedball said:
I've got no problem with all the rock and alternative artists on the list, or MIA, Jay-z, and Outkast. But Eminem has honestly done nothing for music except made it cruder, and Kanye hasn't done anything for music, at all.
And Muse is nowhere on the list.:dry::dry:
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Are you a fan of the hiphop music?

To say Eminem has made music cruder, well Im gonna have to disagree. Have you listen to most of the rappers know-a-days? Em is an elite lyrist comparing to the time hes come out till now.

If anything I wasn't a fan of Lil Waynes Tha Carter 3
 
Dookie to Nimrod is not their early period. If you want that go listen to Kerplunk! or when they were Sweet Children.

Dookie is their best album. Punk that introduced that pop sound missing since the Ramones and before bands like Blink-182 ruined it. Dookie is a great work. Insomniac was just a repeat of Dookie and pretty forgettable. Nimrod was also very, very good and showed them experimenting beyond their three-chord riffs from all of their previous work.

Warning was okay. I honestly thought they were trying WAY too hard to appeal to people who listened to Blink-182 or Sum 41 in that period and that is the album where they came closest to selling out. It is also the album where they became political (Minority?). But it had a handful of cool songs, so I can dig it (Minority, Warning, Waiting and Haha You're Dead). But as a whole it was pretty generic and their weakest offering because they didn't seem to be trying all that hard.

People can ***** all they want that American Idiot is really different from their previous work, which is true. But when a band goes into their 30s, I don't think they'll be making the same music when they were 17. Maybe it's because I agree with most of their politics, but finding something to ***** about beyond vague authority, parents and your girlfriend was a fresh adult step for the band and likely why that album is going to go down as the biggest political album of the Bush years, period.

I don't like how they dress now, but something like Jesus of Suburbia, St. Jimmy and Whatsername are not songs of a sold out band or one that forgot how to be good. Their last album...was okay. I enjoyed it in parts (East Jesus Nowhere, Peacekeeper and American Eulogy).
 
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david icke said:
Ok, I am not *that* familiar with his stuff, but from what I have heard, and from what other musician friends have said, he is over reliant on showing off, and after a couple of tracks you're basically getting the same old story over and over.
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If I was to take a guess I'd say you haven't heard much outside his most well known stuff like Satch Boogie, Potato Head, The Extremist and Surfing With The Alien, am I right? Because those underlined statements don't hold true.
He's written music in many different styles, rock/metal, classical, spanish, jazz, blues, he's even touched on reggae.
You mind if I link you a couple of tracks, or could you be bothered?

Sure he can shred with the best of them and he can pretty much make a guitar do whatever he wants but he actually knows when to hold it back, usually plays to the songs requirements and when to let loose (unlike Malmsteen).
Honestly, who had the best solo here? (Solos start at 03:55)
 
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DACrowe said:
Dookie to Nimrod is not their early period. If you want that go listen to Kerplunk! or when they were Sweet Children.

Dookie is their best album. Punk that introduced that pop sound missing since the Ramones and before bands like Blink-182 ruined it. Dookie is a great work. Insomniac was just a repeat of Dookie and pretty forgettable. Nimrod was also very, very good and showed them experimenting beyond their three-chord riffs from all of their previous work.

Warning was okay. I honestly thought they were trying WAY too hard to appeal to people who listened to Blink-182 or Sum 41 in that period and that is the album where they came closest to selling out. It is also the album where they became political (Minority?). But it had a handful of cool songs, so I can dig it (Minority, Warning, Waiting and Haha You're Dead). But as a whole it was pretty generic and their weakest offering because they didn't seem to be trying all that hard.

People can ***** all they want that American Idiot is really different from their previous work, which is true. But when a band goes into their 30s, I don't think they'll be making the same music when they were 17. Maybe it's because I agree with most of their politics, but finding something to ***** about beyond vague authority, parents and your girlfriend was a fresh adult step for the band and likely why that album is going to go down as the biggest political album of the Bush years, period.

I don't like how they dress now, but something like Jesus of Suburbia, St. Jimmy and Whatsername are not songs of a sold out band or one that forgot how to be good. Their last album...was okay. I enjoyed it in parts (East Jesus Nowhere, Peacekeeper and American Eulogy).
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I can respect their changing musical tone, and even the political stuff (which I don't really care for in just about anything), my main beef with American Idiot (and moreso for 21st Century Breakdown) was that very few of the songs work outside the confines of the album itself and pretty much need to be played in order. As an admitted randomize junkie who enjoys mixing all sorts of music, this bothered me.
 
DACrowe said:
Dookie to Nimrod is not their early period. If you want that go listen to Kerplunk! or when they were Sweet Children.

Dookie is their best album. Punk that introduced that pop sound missing since the Ramones and before bands like Blink-182 ruined it. Dookie is a great work. Insomniac was just a repeat of Dookie and pretty forgettable. Nimrod was also very, very good and showed them experimenting beyond their three-chord riffs from all of their previous work.

Warning was okay. I honestly thought they were trying WAY too hard to appeal to people who listened to Blink-182 or Sum 41 in that period and that is the album where they came closest to selling out. It is also the album where they became political (Minority?). But it had a handful of cool songs, so I can dig it (Minority, Warning, Waiting and Haha You're Dead). But as a whole it was pretty generic and their weakest offering because they didn't seem to be trying all that hard.

People can ***** all they want that American Idiot is really different from their previous work, which is true. But when a band goes into their 30s, I don't think they'll be making the same music when they were 17. Maybe it's because I agree with most of their politics, but finding something to ***** about beyond vague authority, parents and your girlfriend was a fresh adult step for the band and likely why that album is going to go down as the biggest political album of the Bush years, period.

I don't like how they dress now, but something like Jesus of Suburbia, St. Jimmy and Whatsername are not songs of a sold out band or one that forgot how to be good. Their last album...was okay. I enjoyed it in parts (East Jesus Nowhere, Peacekeeper and American Eulogy).
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im fine with things like kerplunk and dookie and such. but after that, things went bad pretty fast. by time they got to american idiot, it just seemed like a joke to me. i totally agree with the idea of bands growing up and their musical evolution reflecting their personal evolution, that sort of thing is expected and i can respect that. but if the music is crap, im not gonna like it. their earlier works im not all into, but i get it and i respect it. but i have no respect for the music they've come to produce. i dont care that they're not the same band as before, i just dont care for the band they've become.
 
DACrowe said:
Dookie to Nimrod is not their early period. If you want that go listen to Kerplunk! or when they were Sweet Children.

Dookie is their best album. Punk that introduced that pop sound missing since the Ramones and before bands like Blink-182 ruined it. Dookie is a great work. Insomniac was just a repeat of Dookie and pretty forgettable. Nimrod was also very, very good and showed them experimenting beyond their three-chord riffs from all of their previous work.

Warning was okay. I honestly thought they were trying WAY too hard to appeal to people who listened to Blink-182 or Sum 41 in that period and that is the album where they came closest to selling out. It is also the album where they became political (Minority?). But it had a handful of cool songs, so I can dig it (Minority, Warning, Waiting and Haha You're Dead). But as a whole it was pretty generic and their weakest offering because they didn't seem to be trying all that hard.

People can ***** all they want that American Idiot is really different from their previous work, which is true. But when a band goes into their 30s, I don't think they'll be making the same music when they were 17. Maybe it's because I agree with most of their politics, but finding something to ***** about beyond vague authority, parents and your girlfriend was a fresh adult step for the band and likely why that album is going to go down as the biggest political album of the Bush years, period.

I don't like how they dress now, but something like Jesus of Suburbia, St. Jimmy and Whatsername are not songs of a sold out band or one that forgot how to be good. Their last album...was okay. I enjoyed it in parts (East Jesus Nowhere, Peacekeeper and American Eulogy).
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I had forgotten about Kerplunk.
 
Moridin said:
If I was to take a guess I'd say you haven't heard much outside his most well known stuff like Satch Boogie, Potato Head, The Extremist and Surfing With The Alien, am I right? Because those underlined statements don't hold true.
He's written music in many different styles, rock/metal, classical, spanish, jazz, blues, he's even touched on reggae.
You mind if I link you a couple of tracks, or could you be bothered?

Sure he can shred with the best of them and he can pretty much make a guitar do whatever he wants but he actually knows when to hold it back, usually plays to the songs requirements and when to let loose (unlike Malmsteen).
Honestly, who had the best solo here? (Solos start at 03:55)
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Y'know, it's been quite a while since I heard anything of his, and it was just bits and pieces, so I probably should not have mentioned him in my little opinion piece there.
I would already have checked out some youtube stuff of his since you defended him, but unfortunately my computer has problems accessing youtube, I can't get onto it, goes into a perpetual loop if I try to access it and i have to shut down the window. Thanks though.
But, I don't know how long it would take, but if you got a chance to imbed that track onto the thread page I would very much like to hear it and appreciate it, thanks.
 
SuperFerret said:
I can respect their changing musical tone, and even the political stuff (which I don't really care for in just about anything), my main beef with American Idiot (and moreso for 21st Century Breakdown) was that very few of the songs work outside the confines of the album itself and pretty much need to be played in order. As an admitted randomize junkie who enjoys mixing all sorts of music, this bothered me.
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I respect that. But I appreciate when an artist has something to say, particularly in politics where they are either generic (punk, rock=**** the system and country=God bless America) or have nothing to say and just claim it is all bull ****. While hardly nuanced, Green Day had some sharp criticisms and ideas in both American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown which may get their younger fans who usually just go "**** the system, it's all ********" to think, if ever briefly, about what is going on. I like that a lot.

As for their music. I'd say that between a third to half of American Idiot was intended only to be heard as part of the "rock opera" or concept album angle (Letterbomb, She's a Rebel, Are we the Waiting, etc. cannot be heard out of context for example). With that said there was a lot there that could, hence it having five singles, four of which I liked and three of which survived being overplayed. Boulevard was killed by the radio, I freely admit. But St. Jimmy and Whatsername are really good songs, and better than American Idiot and Wake Me Up When September Ends (hate that song).

21st. I agree. It is hard to listen to any of those songs without listening to the whole record. I don't mind that though. I personally love rock operas or artists that have the epic sensibilities to do that, such as The Who's Tommy and Queen's A Night at the Opera. Even Springsteen tried that to an extent with Born to Run. All of those are truly epic and impressive albums. I like listening to musicals too, so if an artist thinks they can tell an interesting story by doing a concept album, I am okay with sitting down and listening to what they have to say. If it fails (Black Parade) then I just shrug and walk away. But if it works, then it just makes the artist better for trying something so ambitious and succeeding. I stand by American Idiot is a great album (though Dookie, Nimrod and arguably Kerplunk are better). And 21st was pretty good (I think Little Girl and Restless Heart Syndrome are also really good, but those need to be heard in context. 21st Century Breakdown the song is actually quite good in a Queen-ish way, far superior to that ****e first single Know Your Enemy).

My thoughts on those two albums.
 
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Motown Marvel said:
im fine with things like kerplunk and dookie and such. but after that, things went bad pretty fast. by time they got to american idiot, it just seemed like a joke to me. i totally agree with the idea of bands growing up and their musical evolution reflecting their personal evolution, that sort of thing is expected and i can respect that. but if the music is crap, im not gonna like it. their earlier works im not all into, but i get it and i respect it. but i have no respect for the music they've come to produce. i dont care that they're not the same band as before, i just dont care for the band they've become.
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Agree to disagree. I mean if you don't like their music and i do there just isn't much room to go from here. ;)
 
david icke said:
Y'know, it's been quite a while since I heard anything of his, and it was just bits and pieces, so I probably should not have mentioned him in my little opinion piece there.
I would already have checked out some youtube stuff of his since you defended him, but unfortunately my computer has problems accessing youtube, I can't get onto it, goes into a perpetual loop if I try to access it and i have to shut down the window. Thanks though.
But, I don't know how long it would take, but if you got a chance to imbed that track onto the thread page I would very much like to hear it and appreciate it, thanks.
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Sure. My apologies if I get a bit overzealous defending him, I just genuinely think he's a very well rounded guitarist, not just a "shredder".

That video I first linked was just an example of Satch soloing to the song, instead of just mindlessly shredding or showing off. (solos start 02:15)
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I'll just post a few to show some range, don't want to flood the place.
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Moridin said:
Sure. My apologies if I get a bit overzealous defending him, I just genuinely think he's a very well rounded guitarist, not just a "shredder".
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No, you were quite right to defend him I'm sure, it was I who was probably overzealous in my defence of KC being hailed as a great guitarist. It just bugs me a little that all 'great' guitarists somehow have to be possessed of robot fingers, and I feel that a lot of the time simplicity and restraint yeilds better results than showing off your amount of practice, and shows a better guitarist.

Thanks for posting those up, i'm looking forward to listening to them all, and will do so first chance I get, can't right now.
 
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Think I might have 8-10 of the albums on that list, and the only ones on there I've listened to often are Toxicity and Smile. Then again, I'd like to see Jann Wenner get thrown into a septic tank so I generally disagree with everything in RS magazine.
 
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