Roseanne Returns and Leaves Again

[Teelie]

Not watched it yet but they do address how she died:

Spoiler

Opoid overdose, which some fans (really? did they not watch the finale?) are attributing to her Ambien rant on Twitter as "shade" even though it was clearly stated she was addicted to pain killers.

So that's cleared up. Except for those fans who are still angry because they can't remember last season.

 

[Lily Adler]

It's more like they refused to give it a chance cause of their personal politics on the matter.

 

[Lily Adler]

The Conners was most watched show last night, but it wasn't as high as Roseanne Season 10's ratings. Should there be a separate thread for the spinoff?

 

[Teelie]

Probably so. The show premiered to good but not as good ratings as last season, probably those who decided to not watch because they supported Roseanne.

edit: Like the article above. It still did good numbers.

 

[Lily Adler]

Roseanne ain't too happy:

Roseanne Barr Reacts To Her Character’s Demise In ‘The Conners’ Premiere – Update

 

[Teelie]

Naturally she is mad, as if there were any alternative to killing her off. She can throw a fit all she wants but it was entirely her fault for going on Twitter while using Ambien and saying racist ****.

 

[Lily Adler]

Naturally she is mad, as if there were any alternative to killing her off. She can throw a fit all she wants but it was entirely her fault for going on Twitter while using Ambien and saying racist ****.

Well I know some were thinking

Spoiler

She would die during her surgery.

Which I would have kind of preferred, but understand why they went the direction they did. I also wonder what happened with the flood.

 

[Willi Berg]

I thought I was going to watch this, but I just didn't feel like it. I am a huge fan of the original Roseanne series (I have it on DVD.) I just feel sad about how everything went down, how it all came to this. So I'm just going to stick with the original show, the original run.

 

[Aximili86]

It's more like they refused to give it a chance cause of their personal politics on the matter.

Like every audience of every sitcom ever.

Start throwing Ayn Rand values into Will & Grace or whatever, see how their audience responds. Yeaaahhh.

 

[Lily Adler]

I actually don't like what they're doing with Will & Grace. They're the same people who are now in their 50's pretending to be the 30 somethings from the original. I was hoping they would somehow work in their kids into the new series, but the writers said no.

 

[Willi Berg]

I actually don't like what they're doing with Will & Grace. They're the same people who are now in their 50's pretending to be the 30 somethings from the original. I was hoping they would somehow work in their kids into the new series, but the writers said no.

I agree with you there. The Will & Grace revival is starting to feel tired. There were some good episodes in S1 but it started to feel rehashed, nothing new or evolved for the characters.

I've also been watching the new Murphy Brown. It always had politics and a viewpoint of course but this new season seems to have pushed the supporting characters into the background to make its political points, so it doesn't feel as organic. The old series used to have more of a balance with character and story, and the politics woven into that. I think last season's Roseanne also did that (S10)- the politics all felt a bit more forced and unsubtle. These revivals/reboots are more obvious about it all- no matter which side of the political spectrum.

 

[Aximili86]

Yeah, Willi, way it goes now. The political stuff comes first-and-foremost, it's the very point, and people see right through that.

I've never watched Roseanne (original or reboot), but not really surprised the viewership's down from last year with this. Seems the lion's share of the audience were probably the same as that Tim Allen sitcom, even if the agree with firing her they're probably not going to be happy about just doing a 180 from the values or whatever presented last year while she was around.

 

[Willi Berg]

Yeah, Willi, way it goes now. The political stuff comes first-and-foremost, it's the very point, and people see right through that.

I've never watched Roseanne (original or reboot), but not really surprised the viewership's down from last year with this. Seems the lion's share of the audience were probably the same as that Tim Allen sitcom, even if the agree with firing her they're probably not going to be happy about just doing a 180 from the values or whatever presented last year while she was around.

Whatever people think of Roseanne Barr, the character of Roseanne Conner is a huge loss. She was central to the story, the family, the comedy. Whether audiences agree with the actor's politics or not. I'm curious to see how the ratings hold up.

 

[Aximili86]

Yeah, I dunno, kind of coming at this from the outside here. Goodman seeming sort of bummed & unenthusiastic about the whole situation kinda seemed telling to me though, like he knew it wasn't going to fly or something.

 

[Pink Ranger]

The original Roseanne Connor was always the type of blue collar neighbour I've always wanted when me and my imaginary lumberjack/car mechanic/cattle driving husband moved to the suburbs.

 

[NotNickFury]

All things considered, I think I'm curious to see how this could affect Dan for the continuation of the series, especially now that he's no longer blaming that neighbor. Same with Jackie and needing to find a place to belong. And I always like seeing Mary Steenburgen, especially after Last Man on Earth got the axe.

Interesting that they saved the actual intro for the very ending. I thought that was a nice touch.

 

[Teelie]

The original Roseanne, pre-revival one and ignoring the last season, was a great character. It shows how sometimes it is impossible to remove the character from the actor.

 

[sueb1863]

Yeah, I watched it, just out of curiousity. I was never a fan of the original. It was OK but nothing great. Without Roseanne I'll give it two years if they're lucky. It doesn't have a focus now.

 

[Schlosser85]

The original Roseanne Conner felt like someone who would see through Trump's pandering BS and kind of laugh him off, IMO.

 

[sueb1863]

The original Roseanne Conner felt like someone who would see through Trump's pandering BS and kind of laugh him off, IMO.

True, plus she'd be the first to wonder why he all of a sudden claimed to be all for the average working Joe when he's spent his entire life indulging in a super wealthy lifestyle and never paying the slightest bit of attention to the lower or middle classes. But Barr is a strong supporter of Trump so Roseanne Connor had to be, too.

 

[Teelie]

Don't want to delve into the political mess that is Trump but he has consistently shafted his workers and contractors for decades, the very working class people he suddenly claims to care about. Not to mention the mountain of other lies he panders off to them.

 

[Lily Adler]

The original Roseanne Conner felt like someone who would see through Trump's pandering BS and kind of laugh him off, IMO.

Hell Roseanne would be the first to wonder why a wealthy man (especially after working for Wellman) would champion the working man and poke holes in his campaign platform and ask serious questions about what effects they will cause. Remember the episode when someone was running for a I think city council and he told her his platform and ideas and she was able to see right through them and he asked if he could talk to Dan.

 

[Vaibow]

Thing is, they fired her, killed her off then spent all episode talking about her... it should have been set 6 months later and life is normal... it had a massive elephant in the room.
Plus, it felt like it was trying too hard to pander to be seen as liberal or whatever, the moment with the gay grandson was cute, but it felt forced - i just wanted to have a few laughs which didn't happen.

 

[Lily Adler]

I thought Mark was gender fluid and doesn't know his sexuality yet? Also I feel a little robbed because I think the time jump glossed over that subplot from last season about Dan not choosing to hire his friends company for a job and the flood.

 

[Teelie]

I haven't watched it yet so I don't know if Mark has figured himself out yet or not. He wears typically feminine clothes but nothing about him being gay, straight or transgender has come up unless they address it in this episode.