The Dark Knight Rises Roven: Joker Could Return

[Laderlappen]

I can admit that my opinion isnt very strong because I havent seen that much of him. I just talking about from what I've seen of him. Im not saying that he's bad or not great like its a fact.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea no worries.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Tim Roth plays a great villain. I'm just not sure of him as the Joker. Perhaps If I saw some manips.

i havent seen the film yet, but apparently in his film "deceiver", he plays a fairly joker-eque role. my friend even thinks heath ledger took some inspiration from it. but like i said, i havent seen it yet.

 

[RockyBatboa]

Before you can argue with anyone about Bettany you have to see Gangster No.1. Until you have, YOUR OPINION IS INVALID.

When did i even express an opinion? What the hell?

I made a suggestion that fans should start choosing indie actors for the Joker that wont eventually be cast. Like Paul Bettany. I then asked if he was still a working actor.....

IT was a joke. Get it?
Some people here are so anal-retentive.

 

[RockyBatboa]

Let me reiterate:


I was not making fun of Paul Betanny, the actor .

I was making fun of Paul Bettany's STATUS as an actor.


Most bettany-lovers here at the hype! would never admit it, but he's not that well know at all.

 

[TheRegSays]

One idea I have about Joker's role if he does return is that he will be the one to clear Batman's name.
The scenario I have in mind: The movie starts and everyone in Gotham is moved/inspired by Harvey Dent's death, so Batman and Gordon go on with their "act" that Bats is the guilty. So Joker, knowing the truth, reveals this to Gotham and showing Harvey's true face, again being an agent of chaos.

 

[Ryan]

Not sure if this has been covered elsewhere, so apoligies in advance if it has. I got thinking the last few days about the Joker. Was he truly a bad guy in the Dark Knight. I can remember the he killed 2 mob guys in the film, which really would be the mark of a good guy (ya ya, I know, good guys don't kill). The death of Rachel/disfigurement of Harvey we all assume is the Joker but he did not actually have his hand on the detonator. I guess there was the hostage situation, but once again he targets the guilty as well as the innocent. I don't know, in a weird way I can see why people root for the Joker as almost the hero, or anti hero in comparison to the Joker that shot Barbara Gordon and stripped her father while trying to drive him mad in the Killing Joke and beat Robin 2 to death with a crowbar in A Death in the Family.

 

[RockyBatboa]

The Joker was meant to be a metaphor of pure ANARCHY.

In Chris Nolan's mind, this was the ultimate evil in a society of civilation.

In other's mind, it's more ambivalent, seen as either good or evil or both.

The Joker's truest most honest statement in the movie, imo, was when he told Dent,

"Im like a dog chasing cars. I wouldnt know what to do with one if i caught one."

 

[Ryan]

"this was the ultimate evil in a society of civilation"
Hi there, I guess you are right. However its easy to see the Joker's side of things I suppose. Especially when he says 'when a truck load of soliders are blown up, nobody panics, but when one little ole mayer dies, everyone loses their minds". I suppose the Joker is more or less like Larry David on Curb your enthusisam...except with bullets and gasoline

 

[CJ]

One idea I have about Joker's role if he does return is that he will be the one to clear Batman's name.
The scenario I have in mind: The movie starts and everyone in Gotham is moved/inspired by Harvey Dent's death, so Batman and Gordon go on with their "act" that Bats is the guilty. So Joker, knowing the truth, reveals this to Gotham and showing Harvey's true face, again being an agent of chaos.

and why would the people of gotham believe the words of a psychopathic killer who is in a mental asylum?

Not sure if this has been covered elsewhere, so apoligies in advance if it has. I got thinking the last few days about the Joker. Was he truly a bad guy in the Dark Knight. I can remember the he killed 2 mob guys in the film, which really would be the mark of a good guy (ya ya, I know, good guys don't kill). The death of Rachel/disfigurement of Harvey we all assume is the Joker but he did not actually have his hand on the detonator. I guess there was the hostage situation, but once again he targets the guilty as well as the innocent. I don't know, in a weird way I can see why people root for the Joker as almost the hero, or anti hero in comparison to the Joker that shot Barbara Gordon and stripped her father while trying to drive him mad in the Killing Joke and beat Robin 2 to death with a crowbar in A Death in the Family.

I wouldn't call Joker a good guy. Remember that video on Gotham News where he tormented a polic officer dressed as Batman and killed him, giggling? Or the numoreous people he shot that WEREN'T mobsters? Or how he laughed when the helicopter two people were inside crashed to the ground and was run over by a car?

 

[Ryan]

I guess I'm not saying he's so much of a good guy, in that he's not really the traditional "bad guy". I don't think laughing at people who crashed in a helicopter is nice but I wouldn't say that makes him a villain. Who were the numerous people he shot that weren't mobsters? I honestly can't remember. True, he tormented the guy dressed as batman ( i didn't know he was a police officer) but again, whatever he does/did is off camera. It seemed like alot of the more heinous things that the Joker did were either off camera or were set up and carried out by other people. I had sort of hoped a R-rated Dark knight was going to come out where they would show a bit more. I thought one of the best scenes NOT in the movie, was in the trailer, when the Joker approaches the prone batman on the street and he ejects his knife. I never did understand that scene. Batman races under a racing transport truck, straps cables to it and a bunch of lamposts but he can't carefully dodge a standing still Joker in the middle of the street. That scene and when he falls from that tower with Rachel and survives the fall made no sense. At least in the script, it says he uses a bat cable or something to break his fall....no idea why nolan left that out. Sorry, i'm getting off topic.

 

[CaptainClown]

I guess I'm not saying he's so much of a good guy, in that he's not really the traditional "bad guy". I don't think laughing at people who crashed in a helicopter is nice but I wouldn't say that makes him a villain. Who were the numerous people he shot that weren't mobsters? I honestly can't remember.

policemen and civilians. Policeman with a shotgun in the truck, civilians shot them while they were driving their car, Patrick Harvey Richard Dent, Rachel Dawes (technically didn't shoot but technically exploded) Killed the policemen that were guarding Harvey dent, possibly killed the nurse who he stole the uniform from and then thats not including the attempts at destroying a whole lot of people with bombs

True, he tormented the guy dressed as batman ( i didn't know he was a police officer) but again, whatever he does/did is off camera. It seemed like alot of the more heinous things that the Joker did were either off camera or were set up and carried out by other people.

It is still all orchestrated by his hands.

I had sort of hoped a R-rated Dark knight was going to come out where they would show a bit more. I thought one of the best scenes NOT in the movie, was in the trailer, when the Joker approaches the prone batman on the street and he ejects his knife. I never did understand that scene. Batman races under a racing transport truck, straps cables to it and a bunch of lamposts but he can't carefully dodge a standing still Joker in the middle of the street.

Rated R won't happen because Batman is a household name

Also he can avoid the truck because he initially planned to go under the truck and then go against the wall. He failed when trying to dodge the joker because he was playing chicken and wanted to frighten the joker but since the joker wasn't afraid of him he turned at the last minute having him loose control and hit the truck which wasn't far behind the joker.

That scene and when he falls from that tower with Rachel and survives the fall made no sense. At least in the script, it says he uses a bat cable or something to break his fall....no idea why nolan left that out. Sorry, i'm getting off topic.

He has super armor that protects things (shrug) maybe his cape helped slow the fall, maybe it was the one true god lending a hand to one of his workers.

 

[Adenjo]

Personally I wouldn't have Joker return "physically" in the 3rd Nolan bat-film, i'd probably be happier with references to ledgers Joker instead...
Newspaper articles, news casts, with perhaps a scene in Arkham where as the scene comes to a close we hear the Jokers laugh in the background.

 

[The Bat]

I personally have no demands that they never use the Joker again(He's My favorite Bat-Villan!)...but I do think Ledger OWNED the part...so they should at least give the Joker a good long rest, before bringing Him back.
My pick to replace Ledger is...Paul Bettany:

 

[Ryan]

Good points. I guess he did, with his own hands and on screen kill the 2 police officers *from the truck and in the hosiptal*. I got a kick out the explanation for how he broke the fall though. Guess the cape/hand of God wasn't there when he fell with Dent. Oh well thanks for replying. I think for now they should retire the Joker. The same way everyone wanted Crispin Glover years ago, everyone now wants Paul Bettany. Both I assume woudl do a good job, but I fear time will pass Bettany by as it did Glover. An Oscar for Ledger will definately seal the Joker's fate, until another reboot many years down the road.

 

[Laderlappen]

Im a very un-superficial person, but can people stop posting pics of Paul Bettany? Thanks.

 

[SuperKoala]

Goodfellas, I could find you a million actors, including A list ones that would kill to play that role. And yeah, its sad Heath's dead and all, but is it really any reason to deprive ourselves from seeing Batman's greatest foe on the big screen again?

do you know them personally?

 

[RockyBatboa]

Im a very un-superficial person, but can people stop posting pics of Paul Bettany? Thanks.

 

[Goodfellas]

ATTN:Captain Clown

What the **** is the deal with your sig and a blog that actually thinks Heath Ledger? that has to be the dumbest thing i have read in quite sometime that people actually are waiting to see if Heath Ledger will appear the oscars after faking his death

 

[Christmas]

Personally I wouldn't have Joker return "physically" in the 3rd Nolan bat-film, i'd probably be happier with references to ledgers Joker instead...
Newspaper articles, news casts, with perhaps a scene in Arkham where as the scene comes to a close we hear the Jokers laugh in the background.

We can be assured some such reference will be made. It HAS to be.

 

[brook_33]

No one could replace Heath Ledger. The only ones who come close could be Joseph Gordon Levitt, but he's a little young, or Guy Pierce, but we're saving him for The Riddler.

 

[BareYourTeeth]

No one could replace Heath Ledger. The only ones who come close could be Joseph Gordon Levitt, but he's a little young, or Guy Pierce, but we're saving him for The Riddler.

He's only 22 months younger than Ledger

 

[Crook]

No one could replace Heath Ledger. The only ones who come close could be Joseph Gordon Levitt, but he's a little young, or Guy Pierce, but we're saving him for The Riddler.

Yes, the only people that could possibly replace Ledger is a younger look-a-like with half the range of Ledger, and another ok/good actor that hasn't done anything notable in years.

Brilliant.

 

[jimbo 007]

I was listening to the XM Radio at my doctor's office yesterday and the DJ said that there is a group of Heath Ledger fan's petitioning to have the role of The Joker retired out of respect to Ledger. Now I can see not using The Joker for another 1-2 films but I think it would be a crime not too use the character ever again. If anything WB might have a tough time finding anyone to take the role. Not because it's not a great role but because the actor will face an up-hill battle proving they're right for the role before the movie even comes out.

 

[echostation]

what about Robert De Niro? or Eddie Murphy? or even Aaron Eckhart, hear me out... think about it, Two Face may come back and so when he does he then becomes even crazier and paints one half of his face in joker make up and takes on the role of the Joker... Economic filmmaking with having two villains back into one. Mr Eckhart is a great talentedey actor who could easily do both roles so well together... Think about it, he could argue with himself (note Gollum) and see who wins and comes up with better points on wrecking the city while Batman has to stop the Joker who he can't seem to find (cuz it's actually TWO FACE!!!)

Others could include seasoned actors who have played other popular roles before which require good sound pitch voice modulation... here's the rest of my list:

Matthew Lillard (Shaggy)

Jaleel White

Dougray Scott (who takes up the mantle, quiet, discerning in his master performance in MI 2, a real dastardly villain who is very evil)

Hugh Grant

John Travolta

Ben Kingsley

Jonathan Frakes

These guys would be superb with years of prior acting experience...