The Dark Knight Rises Roven: Joker Could Return

[MaskedManJRK]

Even if that given actor gave a completely fresh, powerful, different and exciting version of The Joker in a third Nolan Batman film... it would mess with the tone and continuity set up for the character in this franchise.

Well, if they go with the more Morrison interpetation that Joker constantly remakes and reinterpets himself, it could be done.

However, I doubt that Nolan and co. would want to try out of respect for Ledger.

 

[The Dude]

If the story calls for it, then bring back Joker, but don't bring him back for the sake of doing so (The Scarecrow).

And Roven is correct in that people need to separate the role from the actor. For years I hear people talking about how Nicholson Joker was the best comic film villain ever and his Joker could never be topped. Now it's the same with Ledger.

There always exists the potential that someone can do it better.

I'm open to a recast, but ONLY if Joker is put to good use in the film and it makes sience in terms of the story direction the head in

 

[donk70]

The Joker character is bigger than any actor that portrays him. No matter if you're for a recast or not, you can't argue that fact. I say Nolan goes through with his original intent for the 3rd movie and treat it as a business decision and not let emotion sway his original intent. Heck, he might not even intend for the Joker to be in the 3rd one, who knows?

 

[namtaB]

If the story calls for it, then bring back Joker, but don't bring him back for the sake of doing so (The Scarecrow).

And Roven is correct in that people need to separate the role from the actor. For years I hear people talking about how Nicholson Joker was the best comic film villain ever and his Joker could never be topped. Now it's the same with Ledger.

There always exists the potential that someone can do it better.

I'm open to a recast, but ONLY if Joker is put to good use in the film and it makes sience in terms of the story direction the head in

I don't think a good story exists with the Joker in the third installment. The villains are complex and well acted but their motivations are surprisingly simple. Ra's wanted to destroy the cancer that he felt was Gotham. The Joker wanted to wreak havoc and chaos and watch people eat each other. These things work great as a plot in a single film but become stale if repeated again in a sequel b/c their motivations don't change.

What's the Joker going to do? Blow up buildings and wreak chaos again? I'd rather see something fresh and new and since that's the gold standard that motivates Nolan I don't think there's gonna be any recasting.

 

[Symbiotic]

If the story calls for it, then bring back Joker, but don't bring him back for the sake of doing so (The Scarecrow).

And Roven is correct in that people need to separate the role from the actor. For years I hear people talking about how Nicholson Joker was the best comic film villain ever and his Joker could never be topped. Now it's the same with Ledger.

There always exists the potential that someone can do it better.

I'm open to a recast, but ONLY if Joker is put to good use in the film and it makes sience in terms of the story direction the head in

Well he was on the loose. Personally, I saw that as necessary.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

Nnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[batsone]

bare with me, but if if the joker was to be recast then i would love to see benicio del toro as the joker. He's truly a cameleon.

qft

 

[GregComicFan]

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/01/09/could-the-joker-return-for-the-dark-knight-sequel/


On a related note: did any of you see Revolutionary Road??? Micheal Shannon's performance just screamed Joker. I also hate to inform you but recasting will happen one day folks even if its not in the next film. I know alot of you are in denial about this. The jokers popularity is on par with Batman himself.
http://www.chicagomag.com/images/2006/December 2006/michaelshannon.jpg

Yeah, I saw Revolutionary Road. I agree. Micheal Shannon immediately struck me as a good substitute for Heath Ledger as the Joker.

But I don't think Joker should return. I hate recasts, and there's no point to bringing the Joker back. Bring on Riddler or Catwoman, and just let the presence of the Joker be felt on Gothamites everywhere.

 

[The Batman]

what annoys me more is the need to have joker back in the next one just because fanboys want to look more into one line of dialogue that is already there.

Joker isnt needed in Batman 3. PERIOD. Scarecrow was different because he was still missing after BB...and even then, he's here and gone before we get to the main story of TDK. time for some new villains

 

[TheFuture]

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/01/09/could-the-joker-return-for-the-dark-knight-sequel/


On a related note: did any of you see Revolutionary Road??? Micheal Shannon's performance just screamed Joker. I also hate to inform you but recasting will happen one day folks even if its not in the next film. I know alot of you are in denial about this. The jokers popularity is on par with Batman himself.
http://www.chicagomag.com/images/2006/December 2006/michaelshannon.jpg

I think you'll find that in 9 out of 10 cases the anti-recast group are only against recasting in this franchise, i.e. Nolan's films. Pretty much every person in this group has no issue with a different actor playing The Joker in a seperate franchise.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

Joker is part of the story that is being told. You need him back for batman to clear his name on the 3rd. There is a story being told and its not finished. A recast will happen.

Heath did a great job, but heath was a person himself not the joker. People sound like they are with their first gf and there could never be any other girl after the gf breaks up with them. get over it. Loved his performance but he will not be the only joker in history.

I caught bedtime stories last night. Guy Pearce has a role where he plays a rather colourful bad guy. I think he could do an excellent job as the joker.

 

[kid dropper]

thank you. thats pretty much it. the show must go on. heath = passed on . joker= alive and well, destined to eternally trouble both batman and gotham.i dont mean to sound ungrateful for the truly herculean feat of acting he granted us, but i think if he could speak up, he would agree with me.

 

[Symbiotic]

Joker is part of the story that is being told. You need him back for batman to clear his name on the 3rd. There is a story being told and its not finished. A recast will happen.

I wouldn't be so sure. I'd like to see Joker back if Nolan thought it necessary, absolutely. But really, is it necessary from a story standpoint? Do you "need" The Joker in order for Batman to clear his name?

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

I wouldn't be so sure. I'd like to see Joker back if Nolan thought it necessary, absolutely. But really, is it necessary from a story standpoint? Do you "need" The Joker in order for Batman to clear his name?

I personally feel you do. It would be pretty anti-climatic any other way. It definitely is on Nolans court. He has the talent and understanding of the character to do it again. What I dont like is people depriving him from the opportunity of using a character he understands so well just because they are so sentimentally attached to the performance of an actor. If he wants to do the joker again let him.

Guy pearce all the way.

 

[Symbiotic]

I personally feel you do. It would be pretty anti-climatic any other way. It definitely is on Nolans court. He has the talent and understanding of the character to do it again. What I dont like is people depriving him from the opportunity of using a character he understands so well just because they are so sentimentally attached to the performance of an actor. If he wants to do the joker again let him.

Guy pearce all the way.

Which leads to another question: Would he be for it? I'd like to think that Nolan wouldn't automatically rule out any future use of the character just because of what happened to Heath.

 

[Doctor Jones]

No Joker. And no recast.

Firstly, I've explained this. Joker like Nolan descibes him is a force. And entity. He was left hanging at the end of TDK for a reason. IMO, he just dissolved and sent back to wherever. His task is done. All the ties were done on his part. And I don't want to see him in Arkham. Because like I said before, he would be a human being. And he's not. You can't contain him.

Plus, for continuity reasons. Heath made the Joker his own in a way no one can ever or should dare to copy. If another actor came on, he would do something different. Why would the Joker suddenly change lke that? If the guy foolishly did copy, as good as it could be, it would just come off as an imitation and nothing more.

Joker is done in these film. Wait for the next one to appear on film in 10 years.

 

[kid dropper]

The Joker would change because he is crazy. he is very very crazy. he wouldnt have to be too different . he could speak in the same type of voice, but have completley different mannerisms and speech patterns. like hes evolved to another phase in his persona. i would love to see something like that. im not saying its essential or has to happen mind you, but im saying i would find it perfectly acceptable if nolan saw fit.

 

[Blaztro]

No, they couldn't recast the joker, simply from a story standpoint. He can't return for film 3, except as maybe cameo in a padded cell, because he is raw charisma. He would vastly outshine any other villain in the film, and thus they would be knocked to a secondary role. And if they put Joker in the secondary role, it wouldn't work, because his personality would shine into the foreground no matter what. A man could be slowly burning to death screaming expletives, but if Joker makes his presence known in any way, all eyes turn to him, even those of the burning man.

 

[The Joker]

There's absolutely no need for Joker to return. Batman has the best rogues gallery of villains around. Plenty more to choose from. Lets see some new challenges from new villains in the next movie.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

LOL. I love how Roven's words were completely twisted into now being quoted as saying, "Joker could return". He never said Joker could return, he was only referring to TDK.

So now this can turn into the 20th thread in this forum about how Johnny Depp, Benicio Del Toro, Daniel Day Lewis, Joseph Gorden Levitt, Crispin Glover, Paul Bettany, etc....needs to be cast as the Joker.

No diss to you guys, but ur falling hook line and sinker to internet hype.

ROVEN did not say that Joker could return. He answered a ridiculous hypothetical question about taking the role away from Heath if he knew in advance that he would pass away.

*the blogger* who posted the article then speculated at what he thought Roven was saying. Which is ridiculous. They took the answer to one question and made it an answer to another.

Don't be so gullible for a page hit guys, come on.

- Jow

Thank you.

 

[The Batman]

No Joker. And no recast.

Firstly, I've explained this. Joker like Nolan descibes him is a force. And entity. He was left hanging at the end of TDK for a reason. IMO, he just dissolved and sent back to wherever. His task is done. All the ties were done on his part. And I don't want to see him in Arkham. Because like I said before, he would be a human being. And he's not. You can't contain him.

Plus, for continuity reasons. Heath made the Joker his own in a way no one can ever or should dare to copy. If another actor came on, he would do something different. Why would the Joker suddenly change lke that? If the guy foolishly did copy, as good as it could be, it would just come off as an imitation and nothing more.

Joker is done in these film. Wait for the next one to appear on film in 10 years.

1. Bravo...why is it that you're the one of the few who seems to understand this?

2. What is the origin of that avatar?

 

[Goodfellas]

Some of you people are ridicolous in thinking Nolan will bring back Joker and Recasting him he is not going to to that for many reasons and he right

Joker came and did his damage and the city has changed and has Batman now lets see the effect of it in the next movie

Why bring him back???Heath Ledger was the perfect Joker...If its not broke dont fix it

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Some of you people are ridicolous in thinking Nolan will bring back Joker and Recasting him he is not going to to that for many reasons and he right

Joker came and did his damage and the city has changed and has Batman now lets see the effect of it in the next movie

Why bring him back???Heath Ledger was the perfect Joker...If its not broke dont fix it

I guess some people think while Nolan is accepting awards for Ledger's performance, he's also thinking of casting Joseph Gordon Levitt as his replacement in the next film.

Mark my words, so long as Nolan is directing, the Joker WILL NOT be recast. Once a new creative team comes onboard(new director, new actors) then yes, absolutely, we will see a new Joker, eventually. Until then, just be patient and wait.

 

[JonnyQ]

The only reason I wouldn't want to see the Joker recast is because I'm really looking forward to seeing new villians.

 

[BareYourTeeth]

For those of you saying Nolan wont bring the Joker back because of the reason his story his told and "he was left hanging there for a reason", he's DONE. You could not be more wrong because Goyer, the co-writer for god sakes, said so himself at a comic-con press conference that if Heath were still alive "It would be a no-brainer" to bring the Joker back. So he WAS going to come back which means his story could have been resumed.

Its right here check it out, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz6_vBAvLIA