The Dark Knight Rises Roven: Joker Could Return

[Twofaceguy]

Johnny Depp for Joker.

 

[Ledlunar]

Bring more than one new villain. Individually, none of them may be as interesting as the Joker, but the relationship each one of them has with Batman is very rich and, at this point, VERY fresh. Catwoman, for example, she's not as interesting as the prince of crime, but her relationship to Bats is more complex, riveting and interesting than what Batman has with the Joker. Sorry, but that's the truth

Thats not the TRUTH.. Its your opinion... It depends on the story being told and tho the storyteller is...... mmmkay Melkay?

 

[hockeyboy89]

I love all the "disrespectful to Heath" comments on the replacement issue. I wonder if all the Harry Potter fans felt the same way about Dumbledore, or before Superman Returns came out if everyone felt the same about Routh. Point is several people enjoy the portrayals of characters after the orginal actor has passed on. And they didn't OD

 

[Ledlunar]

You're right. But that's not the situation. The situation is that Ledger is dead, so plans change.

You guys aren't being realistic. Yes, Nolan cares a lot about story/plot, but not the point of making a decision like that. It doesen't matter how much you want Joker back, because he won't be back in this series. If he were replaced, that would be all people (most people/media) talked and cared about for the third film.

Which is why we'll see Joker in future reboots and franchises, with fresh takes, but not again in Nolan's world

I think Nolan likes to do things pretty much his way... maybe The press would blow a recast out of proportion and lots of female fans of Ledgers who helped TDK reach great heights because off all the (Last Heath Ledger Film Hysteria The Press Created).... even though he has one more incredible looking film still coming... I don't think Nolan has a problem recasting if your big issue is upsetting those people.... I think he wants to tell his story, and thats what he will do... Tabloid trash magazines and the people who read them don't really matter... those are the people who will trash talk whoever is recasted (if Nolan does do a 3rd one with the Joker)... even if the actor did a good job you'd see guys who know little about Batman sitting on couches on MTV calling what could be a great job down just to band wagon with the trash they read... even if he does Ledger a great tribute and honor my recreating his magic on screen again

 

[Ledlunar]

I love all the "disrespectful to Heath" comments on the replacement issue. I wonder if all the Harry Potter fans felt the same way about Dumbledore, or before Superman Returns came out if everyone felt the same about Routh. Point is several people enjoy the portrayals of characters after the orginal actor has passed on. And they didn't OD

I think its more disrespectful to write a character out if they were planned to be included, because the actor passed away right after creating and introducing a character he put a lot of effort into....

 

[hockeyboy89]

I think its more disrespectful to write a character out if they were planned to be included, because the actor passed away right after creating and introducing a character he put a lot of effort into....

I agree with that. People need to realize Heath died, not the Joker.

 

[The Batman]

Want to see what's ridiculous? The ideas for a brief appearance for a Joker who has done most of the things he's known for in the previous film and breaking the continuity feeling with a new actor that will probably be less talented and more creatively restricted than Ledger.

That's ridiculous.

you wanna know why no ones responded to this statement, melkay?

because its freaking true. And when you bring this up, they'll simply shrug it off claiming that since nolan and his team are making the decisions, they should be able to come up with an answer.

 

[The Batman]

I think its more disrespectful to write a character out if they were planned to be included, because the actor passed away right after creating and introducing a character he put a lot of effort into....

People put alot of effort into one time performances...I dont see why you're basically implying that it'll be a waste if joker didnt come back

 

[The Batman]

I think Nolan likes to do things pretty much his way... maybe The press would blow a recast out of proportion and lots of female fans of Ledgers who helped TDK reach great heights because off all the (Last Heath Ledger Film Hysteria The Press Created).... even though he has one more incredible looking film still coming... I don't think Nolan has a problem recasting if your big issue is upsetting those people.... I think he wants to tell his story, and thats what he will do... Tabloid trash magazines and the people who read them don't really matter... those are the people who will trash talk whoever is recasted (if Nolan does do a 3rd one with the Joker)... even if the actor did a good job you'd see guys who know little about Batman sitting on couches on MTV calling what could be a great job down just to band wagon with the trash they read... even if he does Ledger a great tribute and honor my recreating his magic on screen again

You note that Nolan likes to do things his way, but fail to see that Nolan has yet to have a major villain come back for a major repeat performance after they've served their purpose in presenting a new ideological confrontation for batman.

 

[Ledlunar]

come up with an answer to what?... Heath Ledger wasn't the worlds greatest actor.... the people behind TDK made is pretty clear in many different situations Joker was intended for more than 1 film... The actor passed away after.... what makes you so riled up and sure if won't be recast because "pretty much everything the Joker can do was done in one film already"... ?

 

[hockeyboy89]

People put alot of effort into one time performances...I dont see why you're basically implying that it'll be a waste if joker didnt come back

I never said or implied it. I'm just stating peoples opinions that the Joker shouldn't be in the next film WHATSOEVER simply because the other actor dies is........silly at best. Other charcaters have gone on as should the Joker if given the chance.

 

[Ledlunar]

I just assumed since he was quoted as saying tim burtons biggest problem was killing the Joker and Gary Oldman saying Heath was signed on for 2 films... and then going on to say maybe they won't need him after all... I just have a feeling if he was to be included he still will....... well he had scarecrow come back just to be shown him thrown in prison... i know thats not what you meant but why would Ra's come back? he was already presumed dead once... why would Falcone"... and there hasn't been sequels to any other Nolan film to bring the foe back...... I think Joker was intended to be the guy who would make another appearance in 3 judging from him pretty much coming straight out and saying it and not killing the Joker at the end of TDK... Just cause it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't Nolan is still a new director and its not like every director recycles the same tricks....

cmon man its not hard to understand why Nolan hasn't had a major villain return ... you do know these Batman movies have nothing to do with the previous 4 right?

 

[Ledlunar]

There's alot of evidence Heaths "one time performance was more likely going to be a 2 time...) just like Bale and Oldman and Caine will have 3 time performances...... I think if they have plans for The Joker to return they will continue with it

 

[The Batman]

come up with an answer to what?... Heath Ledger wasn't the worlds greatest actor.... the people behind TDK made is pretty clear in many different situations Joker was intended for more than 1 film... The actor passed away after.... what makes you so riled up and sure if won't be recast because "pretty much everything the Joker can do was done in one film already"... ?

Because, frankly, heath ledger, while he wasnt the worlds greatest actor, happened to be the one playing the joker in nolan's batverse....now he's dead...and even if he hadnt died, he really shouldnt have had much of a role in the 3rd, imo. Had he lived, shouldve been nothing more than a "Hannibal lecter" type villain in arkham....and even then, he would pale in comparison to his TDK performance.

By the by, im sick of people acting as if others are saying that ledger is the only one who could play joker period, when most posts are talking in regards to nolans bat films.

I never said it wont be recast...im saying it shouldnt. It's too much of a hassle at this point, and nolan can use this oppotunity to do other villains

 

[The Batman]

I just assumed since he was quoted as saying tim burtons biggest problem was killing the Joker and Gary Oldman saying Heath was signed on for 2 films... and then going on to say maybe they won't need him after all... I just have a feeling if he was to be included he still will....... well he had scarecrow come back just to be shown him thrown in prison... i know thats not what you meant but why would Ra's come back? he was already presumed dead once... why would Falcone"... and there hasn't been sequels to any other Nolan film to bring the foe back...... I think Joker was intended to be the guy who would make another appearance in 3 judging from him pretty much coming straight out and saying it and not killing the Joker at the end of TDK... Just cause it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't Nolan is still a new director and its not like every director recycles the same tricks....

cmon man its not hard to understand why Nolan hasn't had a major villain return ... you do know these Batman movies have nothing to do with the previous 4 right?

Actually, Ras returning is a much better case for returning than Joker...

Ras returning would be the true send off for this trilogy. Like I've said before, if anyone comes close to being the Darth Vader, its Ras. He trained the Batman. He helped turned Gotham into the cesspool that its been for the past two movies. He destroyed the narrows. And his body wasnt shown. He hss a good case for returning in 3

Dosent mean that he should, however.

I dont know what the last part of you post was supposed to be, other than a failed attempt at trying to be a smartass. The fact is that only one villain so far from nolans films can be confirmed as out and out dead...and people still debate that.

If nolan wants a true completion to his trilogy, then scarecow or ras should be considered for a return over joker

 

[Ledlunar]

well he just as well had the opportunity when BB ended to use someone else... and when TDK ended Im sure he had a bit of a plan even if he might say otherwise... Im sure ledgers death was a kink in any plan he will have for the Joker but maybe he isn't going to be "Hannibal in a cage" the whole film.... thats the scenario everyone seems to have created .... no ones know what he would do, All Im saying is if he had plans for Joker to return Im sure he still will.... its not like there wouldn't be other villains being created for this film... I think Joker is just that extra push on Batman another thorn in his side... and they should keep that because I think its what Nolan was hinting at when he said Joker should never be killed... once he is introduced he is always popping up,,, he can break out of Arkham, and how great of a scene would that be especially when there are new villains in Gotham... Im a big fan of TLH Gotham with freaks everywhere... Id love for past movies villains to be in there as well making one final big mess... Id hate the last Batman movie to be strictly The Penguin, Riddler and Catwoman... Im all for Catwoman and The riddler but lets get the old baddies out lets see scarecrow again even.... ... Joker rid the city of the mob pretty much... why not make a whole bunch of chaos?

 

[Ledlunar]

hey all Im arguing is Its FACT Heath was signed on for 2 films.... Liam Neeson wasn't... If someone was to come back Im sure he was the one intended.... and i think If Nolan wants to have him back he will recast.... sure if he wanted Liam Neeson back as Ra's Im sure he would do that and bring him back..., but the fact of the ,matter is Heath was signed on for 2 films and Nolan has already made point of stating he had intentions for him to return ,,, also stating TDK was a bit of a intro to The Joker... This is coming from the director of the films... so thats what im basing my judgement on

I've never heard Nolan or anyone involved mentioned bringing Ra's back.... even if to you it makes more sense...

 

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it's a fact? really?

 

[The Joker]

Its FACT Heath was signed on for 2 films

First I've heard of that...

 

[Anjow1060]

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[Melkay]

well I see what you mean Mel, but im sure if Nolan were to bring Joker back he'd have something valuable planned out.

That's why all points out at Nolan not doing a recast. He has said on more than one occasion that he used as much as he could in The Dark Knight and never ever thought of leaving something for a sequel or planning one whatsoever. That pretty much tosses in "if he planned something he should stick to it" in the garbage can. I know, I know... Nolan may be lying, but then again he also may be an alien from the future, so...

The Joker has done many awful things for 68 years in the comics, are you tired of reading about him? every time he reappears do you say "not this guy again, hasnt he blown his wad already" No you dont.

No, I don't, because comics are supposed to be endless and you get gratification from seeing an already familiar face in the scene... but in live action films yuo have to think about the rest of the bat-mythos, and when a Joker re-appearance threatens to take screen time from other valuable elements and character from the comics, it's a different thing. Seeing the Joker many times in comics doesn't say to me: "hell, they had to cut Catwoman's time in the story, and now I'll have to wait 3 or 4 more years to see a Batman story with more of her, or the Penguin". Some of our most expected desires are seeing Nolan do some more of his superb adaptations of more Batman villains. He already did his Joker, and we were all in awe and thankful. Let's see what else he can do.

I would be fine if he didnt show up next film, and its runtime could be fully devoted to a set previously unseen characters. But ill be damned if anyones gonna tell me or my boy Nolan that the character is now off limits or no longer viable. There's always room for the Harlequin of Hate when comes to matters transpiring in Gotham town.

Viable he is, fresh he isn't. And Nolan made sure he exploited most of his potential. And has admited this in many interviews. Can he bring him back? Yes. Enphatically yes. It is his best option?... damn no.

And room? There's always room for everything. Even for mistakes.

 

[Melkay]

you wanna know why no ones responded to this statement, melkay?

because its freaking true. And when you bring this up, they'll simply shrug it off claiming that since nolan and his team are making the decisions, they should be able to come up with an answer.

Thanks, man, it's important not to be intimidated by the mob mentality

Thats not the TRUTH.. Its your opinion... It depends on the story being told and tho the storyteller is...... mmmkay Melkay?

Yes, it is my opinion. The opinion of someone who values more the batman mythos as a whole and does not become a "joker supremacist". The opinin of someone whith arguments, and not with hopes on Nolan's "plans".

And believe me, you don't wanna start with the jokes about nicknames

hey all Im arguing is Its FACT Heath was signed on for 2 films.... Liam Neeson wasn't... If someone was to come back Im sure he was the one intended.... and i think If Nolan wants to have him back he will recast.... sure if he wanted Liam Neeson back as Ra's Im sure he would do that and bring him back..., but the fact of the ,matter is Heath was signed on for 2 films and Nolan has already made point of stating he had intentions for him to return ,,, also stating TDK was a bit of a intro to The Joker... This is coming from the director of the films... so thats what im basing my judgement on

I've never heard Nolan or anyone involved mentioned bringing Ra's back.... even if to you it makes more sense...

This is so pathetic. How many failed arguments are people like you going to collect. Yes, this is fact. Not only fact, but completely irrelevant. Signign actors for two movies is a costume inside the industry and it is only used as a protection. It is not supposed as an extra payment, just a contract for a potential sequel. Nolan has also said that he didn't have any story or intention for that matter to film a sequel to The Dark Knight, and was treating the film as a single work. Voilá, no plan for Ledger. He was just being open to the possibility.

Next time, take some cherrypicking class. Some would say it is an art.

 

[Melkay]

I think Nolan likes to do things pretty much his way... maybe The press would blow a recast out of proportion and lots of female fans of Ledgers who helped TDK reach great heights because off all the (Last Heath Ledger Film Hysteria The Press Created).... even though he has one more incredible looking film still coming... I don't think Nolan has a problem recasting if your big issue is upsetting those people.... I think he wants to tell his story, and thats what he will do...

Oh, good. Then there will be no recast. I'm relieved

 

[Melkay]

I love all the "disrespectful to Heath" comments on the replacement issue. I wonder if all the Harry Potter fans felt the same way about Dumbledore, or before Superman Returns came out if everyone felt the same about Routh. Point is several people enjoy the portrayals of characters after the orginal actor has passed on. And they didn't OD

Clever, pick the most stupid argument against recast, and ignore other intelligent reasons. There are at least a dozen arguments about why the Joker should and will not be recast, and your would do well acknowledging them.

 

[Melkay]

Oh somebody end this thread
somebody end this thread
i'm on my knees, pretty pretty please
ennnnnd this, this thread must diiiiiiie
put a padlock on the liiiiii-iiiiii-iiiiii-iiink.

- Jow

Someone put this poor guy out of his misery.