The Dark Knight Rises Roven: Joker Could Return

[CaptainClown]

QFT! That's exactly how I feel. But, truth be told, most people seem to love Nicholson's Joker.

But anyway, Ledger's Joker can and should be topped. But not right now. It should happen in the next incarnation of the franchise.

I strongly agree with this.

However with the Nicholson statement :slap: YOU ARE WRONG! :slap:
just kidding. I understand what you mean, he definitely has a certain taste about him that appeals to certain elements of the character.

Back to the point though, I strongly agree that the role of The Joker should be explored by someone else. (Except any schmuck on youtube) It is such a versatile character that it would be a pleasure to see another incarnation of it. However, we have probably one more movie left in the Nolan series. I would rather have the team explore different characters within the Batman mythos rather then tread on old ground. It would definitly add variety to the trilogy and introduce people to the whole Batman world rather then here is Batman vs. Joker again.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea whoever else gets the Joker gig whether it's in the next film or another 20 years has to make it personal, like it's a twisted, evil version of themselves. That's basically what Heath did, he portrayed him as a sorta parallel dimension version of himself or something. Well that's what I got out of it, that's why I thought it was so good. It's like Heath Ledger looking into a magic mirror and the evil version of himself is staring back at him.

 

[Rincewind]

Eh, no matter how you cut it, the Joker will always be one of the key ingredients for a Batman product - no matter if that's a movie, a cartoon, a comic book, a game or whatever. That should not be questioned. I'd never understand how someone could think that just because Ledger's Joker was awesome, nobody should play the character, like, ever again. That's just stupid. With that in mind, I'd prefer it if he doesn't appear in the Nolan series anymore - there are other villains who could use a bit of spotlight and justice, and the next movie probably is gonna be the last. But when the Nolanverse is done, we should get another incarnation of the franchise, as different from Nolan's movies as they were from Burton and Schumacher's and in this new incarnation we should get a new Joker. I think that's where the opinions differ - some think that the Joker should appear in the next movie, some (like me) think that he should appear in the next incarnation of the Batman movies. But he definately should appear, we all agree.

 

[Dirt Like Me]

I don't why people think that any further use of the Joker would have to somehow "top" Ledger's portrayal of the character. What if it was just a small role to continue the story fron TDK?

The way I see it, there are some loose ends remaining from the end of TDK that need to be tied up. Namely, the fact that the city thinks Batman is a murderer. There are only so many people in Gotham who actually know that Harvey (a) became Two-Face and (b) killed five people. Dent, Gordon and family, Batman, Helen Ramirez, and The Joker. In order to clear Batman, I feel like somebody has to pull back the curtain and show Gotham what Dent became. Gordon and Batman can't because it would undercut the people's faith in the system. Helen Ramirez won't because (in addition to being a minor character) doing so would require her to reveal her corruption. It seems like the best options are to either resurrect Harvey or have the Joker do it.

And I would love to see a scenario where the city is teeming with cops and freaks who want to take down Batman, and the Joker somehow comes forward--against the other freaks and GCPD--to save Batman so that he can continue to mess with him. I think that would be really interesting. We'd still get new characters for the people who seem to think that movie franchises have to work like videogame levels, and we'd get real continuity to wrap up the saga. Everybody wins.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I like the idea of Joker sorta coming to Batmans rescue. Could be a neat twist on the hero villain relationship.

 

[Goodfellas]

Yea I like the idea of Joker sorta coming to Batmans rescue. Could be a neat twist on the hero villain relationship.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Seriously some of these ideas hurt my head

Thats the worst idead i have ever heard of

Joker coming to Batmans aide?WTF


Seriusly they should close this thread with the amount of horrible ideas

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Not coming to his aid you dick head, stopping him from being killed or caught. That is 100% true to the comic Jokers character you muppet. Batman is the guy that "completes" the Joker. Would Joker just sit around twiddling his thumbs waiting for the guy who gives his life purpose to turn up dead or arrested?

Joker would never, ever, ever let another villain who he thinks is below him kill Batman, any and every Bat fan should know this.

 

[CaptainClown]

There are some comics and situations where Joker was very very angry about the fact batman was killed by someone other then him. I could actually see Joker save batman from falling, then push him back over.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea exactly. I've always got the feeling that Joker is like "He is mine and mine alone!" you know? That's what makes their relationship so unique. Joker isn't just the standard villain who wants the hero out of the way no matter what or by whom. He wants all the fun to himself.

 

[Ledlunar]

Not coming to his aid you dick head, stopping him from being killed or caught. That is 100% true to the comic Jokers character you muppet. Batman is the guy that "completes" the Joker. Would Joker just sit around twiddling his thumbs waiting for the guy who gives his life purpose to turn up dead or arrested?

Joker would never, ever, ever let another villain who he thinks is below him kill Batman, any and every Bat fan should know this.

yeah maybe Burtons joker wouldnt mind, but to Nolans Joker it just fits better, he isnt the mob who would want him dead, Batman completes him, and like Alfred said in the story of the ruby thief, maybe saving Batman to him is just good sport, "whats he going to go back to ripping off mob dealers" I can't believe after Nolan showing us the way HIS Joker see's Batman and His relationship, with the best bits of dialogue in the film (the interogation scene & end hanging scene) people still think he would just sit around giggling happily being left in Arkham and his effort to destroy Gotham with revealing "the true harvey dent" gone to waste as Batman took the blam... Batman knows by taking the blame the joker doesnt win and joker is smart enough to understand this and want to screw Batman in that way aswell... even if it is "saving" him ... ex spilling the beans

I think iF Nolan is doing 1 more let him bring Joker back if it takes this much debate on how he should return let the man do it.... if he intended to have him in there...... let whatever new director who takes over for part 4 (as many assume will happen) introduce penguin,.... Id rather have Nolan bring us his Joker one more time before he pulls the curtain on his part Riddler & Catwoman I think could both work in the same film aswell as we pretty much know this JOker now, theres not much more to explain the end of TDK is enough of a motive for him to come back as any

Im not one who thinks we need a buffer villain before some new director most likely worse (99% chance) bringing a Joker back in something continued off what Nolan started.. Nolan should bring his Joker back

 

[Dirt Like Me]

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Seriously some of these ideas hurt my head

Thats the worst idead i have ever heard of

Joker coming to Batmans aide?WTF


Seriusly they should close this thread with the amount of horrible ideas

You must have been in the bathroom during the scene in The Dark Knight where the Joker protects Batman's secret identity by ordering Reese's killing.

And your bookshelf must not have the Strange Apparitions storyline from the 1970s (which I think must have had at least some influence on the TDK script)where the Joker says that if Rupert Thorne learned Batman's identity it would "take away [his] fun--the thrill of the joust with [his] perfect opponent."

And then to wrap it up the Joker says:

The Joker must have the Batman. Nay, the Joker deserves the Batman! What fun would there be in humbling mere policemen? I am the greatest criminal ever known! And for any one else to destroy the Batman would be unworthy of me!
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So, it's such a "horrible" idea that only figured prominently in the best comic book movie ever made, and a classic comic storyline of a classic villain.

I think a continuation of this theme could make for a really interesting movie: it would certainly be something new for Batman movies, it would continue with the characterization that Nolan developed for the Joker, and it would allow for some new villains as well.

I would love to hear what everybody thinks might be a better way for Batman to clear his name without undoing what happened in TDK, though.

 

[Rincewind]

It's certainly better than reviving Two-Face.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Indeed it is...

 

[regwec]

Either could be revived in an effective or a disappointing way, so neither is an inherently good or bad idea.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Hmm maybe. But seeing as Joker is alive and well, only incarcerated. And Dent is thought to be brown bread, it would be easier to explain Joker's return rather than Dents.

 

[Goodfellas]

Yeah but the difference between Dent and The Joker right now is simple

Joker involves re casting( which isnt going to happen, which is smart)

While Dent doesnt

I am not saying Dent is going to come back iam just saying if Nolan hade to choose i gurantee you he would go with Dent(Even though he wont go with either option)


The paramaters on bringing someone else ot play Joker rite now is stupid and not wise


You guys act like we will never see Joker again after Nolans take

Give it 15 years or so when someone else takes a stab and we can have another Joker

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but who in their right mind would want to wait another 15 odd years to see Joker again? By then I will be nearly 40 years old. That is donkeys years away. The demand for Joker wouldn't allow that to happen.

 

[Mario_Galaxy]

I hope that if Joker plays a part in B3, Nolan is not afraid to use him. Joker is a character that has been around for how long now? 70 years? There are many different interpretations of him. Ledger's was great, and who says he needs to be topped? Just give us a different interpretation. I don't think it would be offensive either. Joker wasn't exclusively Heath's character. Did he own the role? Yeah,and so can another actor with his level of talent. It's not like, say, if Stallone died and someone took up the role of Rocky. That would probably not work, as everyone knows Stallone's version of Rocky and that is the only version of the character. Joker? Interpretations are limitless.

 

[Rincewind]

Ah, no, I don't think so. If they use the Joker in the next one, they should try to keep up with the continuity of TDK. No different interpretation if there will be a Joker in the third movie. Different interpretation is for the next series.

 

[Mario_Galaxy]

So you want an imitation of Ledger?

 

[Rincewind]

Imitation perhaps is not the right word. But if they include him in the next Nolan movie, they would have to consider the appearance, the personality and the mannerisms of the character, otherwise it would break the continuity, which is not a good thing in my book.

 

[Crook]

Following the general interpretation does not beget imitation. I don't know why that's even brought up.

 

[Goodfellas]

You 3 just proved why it would be stupid to recats


Heath Ledgers take was so different and unique that any person who did be joker would just be doing a 2 hour and 30 min heahh ledger imitation

Come on peopl give a Joker a rest we just got one of the greatest performances every by a guy who out his soul into it and hes dead now you all want some one else to play him in the next moviE?


Right now Heath Ledger IS The Joker recasting would be moronic

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well to get technical Heath Ledger only had about 25-30 mins screen time as Joker

Seriously man, you remind me of one of those dip ****s from the "RETIREZ TEH JOKER!!!111" website.

Now Heath Ledger is not the Joker. He just played him in one film. He did a superb job no doubt. But that don't mean ****.

If I remember rightly Alec Baldwin did a great job bringing Jack Ryan to life. But then all of a sudden he turned into Harrison Ford!!! Oh noez!!!!1111

 

[Drz]

Right now Heath Ledger IS The Joker recasting would be moronic

But what if the recasted actor does a better act? Will you say "RIGHT NOW XXX ACTOR IS THE JOKER, RECASTING WOULD BE MORONIC" ? >_>