The Dark Knight Rises Roven: Joker Could Return

[Ace of Knaves]

He probably would...

 

[Sentinel X]

On this website, I think people overrate Heath Ledger's performance.

Thats right I said it.

Its a great performance and definitely deserved the oscar and critical acclaim but to act like its so great its untouchable is ridiculous. There are some good actors who can do just as good of a job if not better.

 

[mjbull23]

Yea but who in their right mind would want to wait another 15 odd years to see Joker again? By then I will be nearly 40 years old. That is donkeys years away. The demand for Joker wouldn't allow that to happen.

Happened here. The Joker of my 21st year was Jack Nicholson. The Joker of my 40th year of life was Heath Ledger. I'm hoping I'll be blessed to be able to see a 3rd incarnation of this legendary villain sometime around my 60th year God Willing.

If nothing else, I can say that I was fortunate enough to have witnessed two legendary performances on their respective release dates in theatres, nearly twenty years apart. (and yes,for those of you wondering, twenty years is a very long time). I hope I do not have to wait another twenty to see the Joker when I'm 60.

 

[Drz]

Well lets remember the reason you had to wait 20 years was because Burton-Joker had been killed off. I do recall Joe smuchar (spelling) had an idea of bringing Jack Nicholson Joker back thru fear toxin but since his Batman and Robin was a huge failure, that movie never happened.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea you're right, he was apparently going to re appear in a vision of some kind.

Burton killed Joker off, Nolan didn't. They should take advantage of that fact.

 

[Goodfellas]

Well to get technical Heath Ledger only had about 25-30 mins screen time as Joker

Seriously man, you remind me of one of those dip ****s from the "RETIREZ TEH JOKER!!!111" website.

Now Heath Ledger is not the Joker. He just played him in one film. He did a superb job no doubt. But that don't mean ****.

If I remember rightly Alec Baldwin did a great job bringing Jack Ryan to life. But then all of a sudden he turned into Harrison Ford!!! Oh noez!!!!1111

Uhh did Alec Baldwin get an oscar?

Thats a horrible comparison Alec Baldwis Jack Ryan wasn't evne close to memorable



You can sit here and use your childish insults because iam disagreeing with you but the fact of the mater is that the a good majority of the public right now when you tell them Joker the first thing that comes into there mind is Heath Ledger


Besides ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN so quit daydreaming about.

Heath Ledger's Joker was an amazing achievement in acting performances why have someone else come in and just try and imitate him?

The story doesn't need for Joker, yes the public in Gotham still doesnt know about Dent's fall into madness but you could easily have a villain like The Riddler come in next film and he could figure it out him self and tell the people of gotham city


You act like Joker is THE ONLY ONE who knew what really happened

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm not insulting you, well, not in a childish way. You are like those idiots on the retire the Joker website, sorry to break it to ya.

And I'm not saying he should return for no reason. I don't want him thrown in there just for the sake of it.

I'm saying that his inclusion shouldn't just be written off just because Heath put in a barnstorming performance.

Saying "No one can top Ledgers Joker!!" is exactly the same principle as all the people who were slamming the decision to cast him in the first place and saying "No on can top Nicholsons Joker!!"

Don't fall into that trap man.

 

[Drz]

Besides ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN so quit daydreaming about.

Can i borrow your time machine so i can confirm this myself aswell?

Heath Ledger's Joker was an amazing achievement in acting performances why have someone else come in and just try and imitate him?

Noone but you said anything about imitating, the Joker is a super insane guy who changes mood and ways of being himself all the time, we can have the new actor be different too, perhaps even more ruthless or less ruthless but more clowny. One thing that needs to stay is him licking his lips due to the scars.

The story doesn't need for Joker, yes the public in Gotham still doesnt know about Dent's fall into madness but you could easily have a villain like The Riddler come in next film and he could figure it out him self and tell the people of gotham city

It really depends on the story, theres both good points of having and not having the Joker on next film(s).

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I do like the idea of Riddler trying to find out the truth. But throwing the Joker into the mix could add another dynamic.

Riddler wouldn't want someone else to reveal it, he want's to be the one recognized as the best, he is the one who should take the credit for finding out the truth. Not some crazy clown. That's how i'd imagine Riddler to think.

 

[Goodfellas]

I'm not insulting you, well, not in a childish way. You are like those idiots on the retire the Joker website, sorry to break it to ya.

And I'm not saying he should return for no reason. I don't want him thrown in there just for the sake of it.

I'm saying that his inclusion shouldn't just be written off just because Heath put in a barnstorming performance.

Saying "No one can top Ledgers Joker!!" is exactly the same principle as all the people who were slamming the decision to cast him in the first place and saying "No on can top Nicholsons Joker!!"

Don't fall into that trap man.

Nicholson Joker was very easy to suprpass infact most people thought it was Jack acting like Jack

Heath Ledgers performance is something people will be talking about for years and years to come i dont know why everyone all of a sudden is so quick to have someone else play him

 

[Ipodman]

Both Nicholson and Ledger jokers are great... its all about appreciation and interpretation...
personally i believe a recast would be good, as the casual audience wants to see more joker action on the big screen

 

[Drz]

Nicholson Joker was very easy to suprpass infact most people thought it was Jack acting like Jack

Its still an opinion and you most likely don't have any proof that most people would think that.

Heath Ledgers performance is something people will be talking about for years and years to come i dont know why everyone all of a sudden is so quick to have someone else play him

Why not? Just because it will be remembered for years doesn't mean it should ruin the Joker as a movie franchise character.

 

[michael]

Nicholson Joker was very easy to suprpass infact most people thought it was Jack acting like Jack...

Yes, but look at every other performance of his. Jack is Jack, no matter the character. He is an old fashioned star and actor, just like Cary Grant, Humphrey Bogart, and Boris Karloff, that is just the era that made him. Heath Ledger was made by an era of character/method actors, like Brando, DeNiro, Day-Lewis, and the like... It only makes sense that Ledger delved deeper into the mannerisms and psyche of the character than Nicholson did.

 

[Ledlunar]

Imitation perhaps is not the right word. But if they include him in the next Nolan movie, they would have to consider the appearance, the personality and the mannerisms of the character, otherwise it would break the continuity, which is not a good thing in my book.

paying homage to the vision Ledger had and brought to life I believe is what you are looking for... Immitating is what people on youtube do... But you couldn't have Nicholsons Joker in the 3rd... but the great thing about the Joker is nothing is constant with him, so some minor changes wouldn't be too out of place, as long as he acted and looked similar,

 

[Ledlunar]

Uhh did Alec Baldwin get an oscar?

Thats a horrible comparison Alec Baldwis Jack Ryan wasn't evne close to memorable



You can sit here and use your childish insults because iam disagreeing with you but the fact of the mater is that the a good majority of the public right now when you tell them Joker the first thing that comes into there mind is Heath Ledger


Besides ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN so quit daydreaming about.

Heath Ledger's Joker was an amazing achievement in acting performances why have someone else come in and just try and imitate him?

The story doesn't need for Joker, yes the public in Gotham still doesnt know about Dent's fall into madness but you could easily have a villain like The Riddler come in next film and he could figure it out him self and tell the people of gotham city


You act like Joker is THE ONLY ONE who knew what really happened

man, you got to keep in mind how much The Dark Knight was fueled by Ledgers death, people on these boards should know better, Oscars? who gives a ****e, honeslty I bet Phillip Seymour Hoffman would have gotten another if It wasn't for Ledgers death, Heath totally deserved it but i think his death and how the media bent the story of him playing the "soul destroying" joker role out of shape garnered TDK way more attention.... example: my sister and mom both watched the dark knight only cause trash celebrity magazines talked his death up so much and kept trying to tie it to the jOker role to get a good story out of it.... Heath Ledger loved playing the role and was said to have problems sleeping well before it.... and these magazines really did alot for TDK i think... It was a great movie and Heath was amazing Im a bit sad that I will never have the bond with TDK I originally had, to me before Heaths Death and the release I read online about filming news and casting weekly, I praised Batman Begins for being great and people still would "nah its a superhero film" But then a young good actor did an amazing job playing Joker then tragically passed away and the film his character and his private life were all blown out of proportion and exploited for the wrong reasons.... Im sure he would be pissed off to see how much attention his character gathered for falsely being blamed for his death when it was more so joyous devotion, and teen girls saying the role should be retired... you remind me of them and my mom right now,

I think much of this is the reason Nolan didn't put a Ledger tribute feature on the dvd as everyone expected

I know this post seems a bit rambling but honestly if he was alive and said no to a sequel like Katie did Im sure it would be a way different story and also TDK wouldn't have been as huge of a movie

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea. If Ledger was still alive no one would bat a eye lid at the thought of him returning. In fact I'd say that if Heath come out and said "Bring on Batman 3!!!" this place would go insane with anticipation.

Whether people like to admit it or not, the ONLY question over should Joker return is Heaths death. And I loved his performance, I really did. I've been wanting to see a Joker like that forever. But again, no actor is bigger than the Joker. Fact.

And I'd like to see someone else bring a fresh, but still similar take on the Joker in this universe. Joker isn't a straight arrow, his psyche isn't exactly consistent is it? As long as they get the look similar they could slightly alter his personality and it wouldn't be out of character. Maybe being locked up, taken away from his "play thing" would make him even more nuts?

 

[Drz]

And lets not forget that Joker was Heath Ledger's last full film, theres 1 more film coming which Heath Ledger was apart of, do you Heath-crazies wanna smash Johnny Depp, Colin Farrel and the 3rd actor who are all acting his character in that movie? >_> Or is that character also "framed" by Heath?

 

[JStorm]

Nicholson Joker was very easy to suprpass infact most people thought it was Jack acting like Jack

That's a hell of a thing to say. You've been speaking in absolutes for most the of posts I've read.

"Very easy to surpass," you say. "Most people thought it was Jack acting like Jack," you disclaim.

One can not speak in absolutes about a character, to then damn the same characters - actor - performance.

Heath was great, as was Jack. And I'm sure, Jack had raving reviews, etc, etc. Also, if one looked hard enough, one could find articles that said the same about Jack, as per Heath.


You called people "closed-minded," yet your are just as "closed."

 

[namtaB]

Nicholson Joker was very easy to suprpass infact most people thought it was Jack acting like Jack

Heath Ledgers performance is something people will be talking about for years and years to come i dont know why everyone all of a sudden is so quick to have someone else play him

Nah dude. Up until Ledger people were talking for years and years about Nicholson. Even after Ledger was cast people were questioning whether he would top Nicholson.

Its only after Ledger's performance was seen that the retroactive bandwagon kicked into high gear and the statements "Jack was just playing Jack" began becoming commonplace. This was rarely brought up if ever prior to Ledger's Joker which means Jack's performance was a damn fine one.

 

[Goodfellas]

Ive been looking on these forums for a while and trust me there was plenty of people who were saying Nicholsons joker WAS NOT THE MOST FAITHFUL ADAPTION

tHe fact that he cared more about some chick than Batman was a big no no to many.

Besides when Batman Begins came out and people wanted the joker it hade been almost 14 years or something so of course people wanted a joker


Iam just saying wait for someone else take on the character not have someone else do the charatcer

Besides Batman has plenty of good villains he can use for crying out loud he has the most inteteresting and popular rouge gallery comics

I love the character Joker just as much as you all but it doesn't make sense to recast so soon after TDK it just doesn't

and yes unfortnatley him dieing does make things very complicated, if he was still alive id sayd hell yes bring him back


I wanna see Riddler o Black Mask or another villain have a shot at a movie

 

[Goodfellas]

Besides i really would like to see the riddler done right. we finnaly saw the correct interpretation of Two Face, now its Riddlers turn

 

[Ledlunar]

why do they have to take turns? they arn't going through a revolving door, the character exists bringing them back is easy when they are a big character in the world of Batman,,,, Riddler can easily be done to, we already are introduced to Nolans Joker he could come back with another actor if he wants to recast and have him in it.... lets just hope they could do a job that is enjoyable (doesn't have to be better[which would be hard]) but at least, not annoying to watch... the story of 3 could be better than TDK's story though and with other characters such as Riddler.... also the film being continued off how great TDK was..

this next film could still be better even if it wasn't Nolans original Joker actor reprising the role and he wasn't Heath because it could be just a better story period......we have a great relationship between Joker & Batman built off of TDK we had a descent one for a smaller villain Scarecrow in BB (seeing Batman gas Crane and making him lose his marbles a bit)[getting to see him even for that quick second in TDK really made it bridge together well].... we seen escaped Inmates still on the streets from the league of shadows working for the Joker in TDK showing they even left a mark{that and Bruce trained with Ra's) Dents stroy was told tragicaly and great in TDK and was put to rest with the Rachel Dawes character) I hope we get something of The Joker bridged into the next film something bigger than scarecrow in TDK obviously... I love when Joker pops up throughout TLH & DV and i hope he does something similar in the next film... just when things start getting busy for Batman have Joker escape Arkham some cunning way and have a proper farewell to Nolan on board (assuming he does 3) id much rather have something like this then going back to the 89-97 Batman movie route of every movie forgets the last film and enter 2-3 villains who arn't as good as the previous..... I would hate for Nolan to use Penguin & Blackmask after Harvey and Joker.. then a new 4th film director decides for part 4 "lets bring joker back" we had that Batman movie inbetween!

we will get inception and then we will think how much we trust Nolan and how much he rocks and then forget about the anger of recasting a fallen actors tremendous work and say this director is good and if he thinks it will work let it work...

this is all of course assuming he wants him in the 3rd film,

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I don't think I have seen one single person suggest that Joker should be the main villain again.

Riddler (if they go the fed route) and Joker in the same film could be very, very interesting.

I was thinking, what about uncovering Jokers true identity? There could be Riddler interrogating Joker in Arkham, trying to figure him out as well as Batman? But Joker is playing him like a fool, giving him false stories and what not. This could further fuel Riddlers obsessive nature and lead to him snapping.

But before anyone says Joker is better to remain a mystery, I completely agree. The mystery could still be there if he is giving him false stories and what not. Could be quite interesting actually.

 

[smooth3006]

Bare with me, but if IF the Joker was to be recast then I would love to see Benicio Del Toro as the Joker. He's truly a cameleon.

don't know about that choice but i agree joker should be recast. just because ledger died does not mean the character needs too. worse comes to worse use a body double and cgi ledgers face on him. it worked in the crow with brandon lee in the mid 90's and i know it can work today.

 

[CaptainClown]

Benicio Del Toro a chameleon? What movies are you thinking of?