The Dark Knight Rises Roven: Joker Could Return

[BestGirl]

But The Joker is a staple of Batman's world. He's less a plate of spaghetti than the first cup of coffee in the morning.

Or, quite literally, The Joker is Batman. The two are such complete carbon copies of each other, it's almost impossible to have or imagine one without the other.

Eh, we managed without him in BB. I'd rather not have him come back in BB3 unless the plot absolutely requires it. You can say that his face was bashed in but that won't explain why his voice and mannerisms and possibly his build are so different. The whole situation is so awkward and I'd rather not deal with it.

 

[Malone]

I was never a fan of Johnny Depp as the Riddler; I just thought that he was too big of a name. However, a character like The Joker may be right up Depp's ally. Somebody like him can disappear into the role, just like Ledger did. I saw somebody's manip of Depp as The Joker and it convinced me. Whoever made that manip, excellent job.

 

[CJ]

I agree that Joesph-Gordon Levitt looks similar to Heath and would probably be a dead-on Joker in terms of appearance, but you guys aren't considering Joker's voice.

Joesph-Gordon Levitt has too much of a 'little-boy' voice and could not pull off the preformance, I think. But who knows? Maybe he can suprise us if Nolan considers using him.

I think Depp would be more suited to play the Joker. I agree that Depp is too much of a 'household name' for Nolan's movies, but Depp disappears into his roles, just like Ledger. He's also around the same age as Ledger and can play with his voice (compare his voice in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to his in Pirates. He can make his voice both high and low, mean and nice. Exactly what Ledger did as the Joker)

Depp is working with Nolan on Inception, so he should definitely consider using Depp for the Joker. Depp is so popular, he is the only actor I can see audiences wanting to play the Joker. I think if anyone else played the role, people would be turned off and say 'he's no Ledger' But people are used to Depp transforming in his roles and I think will be more accepting of him playing the character.

 

[Dark Knight]

I agree that Joesph-Gordon Levitt looks similar to Heath and would probably be a dead-on Joker in terms of appearance, but you guys aren't considering Joker's voice.

Joesph-Gordon Levitt has too much of a 'little-boy' voice and could not pull off the preformance, I think. But who knows? Maybe he can suprise us if Nolan considers using him.

I think Depp would be more suited to play the Joker. I agree that Depp is too much of a 'household name' for Nolan's movies, but Depp disappears into his roles, just like Ledger. He's also around the same age as Ledger and can play with his voice (compare his voice in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to his in Pirates. He can make his voice both high and low, mean and nice. Exactly what Ledger did as the Joker)

Depp is working with Nolan on Inception, so he should definitely consider using Depp for the Joker. Depp is so popular, he is the only actor I can see audiences wanting to play the Joker. I think if anyone else played the role, people would be turned off and say 'he's no Ledger' But people are used to Depp transforming in his roles and I think will be more accepting of him playing the character.

No..no...Depp is in his 40's I believe where as Ledger was in his late 20's. However, Depp still looks like he is in his 30's though.

 

[Goodfellas]

I agree that Joesph-Gordon Levitt looks similar to Heath and would probably be a dead-on Joker in terms of appearance, but you guys aren't considering Joker's voice.

Joesph-Gordon Levitt has too much of a 'little-boy' voice and could not pull off the preformance, I think. But who knows? Maybe he can suprise us if Nolan considers using him.

I think Depp would be more suited to play the Joker. I agree that Depp is too much of a 'household name' for Nolan's movies, but Depp disappears into his roles, just like Ledger. He's also around the same age as Ledger and can play with his voice (compare his voice in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to his in Pirates. He can make his voice both high and low, mean and nice. Exactly what Ledger did as the Joker)

Depp is working with Nolan on Inception, so he should definitely consider using Depp for the Joker. Depp is so popular, he is the only actor I can see audiences wanting to play the Joker. I think if anyone else played the role, people would be turned off and say 'he's no Ledger' But people are used to Depp transforming in his roles and I think will be more accepting of him playing the character.

IMO thats a good thing that Gordon has such a low pitched voice....Because The Jokers voice in TDK was very low pitched and eerie sounding

I think thats why Goron Levitt would be great because he already has the voice all he would need ot do is fine tune it to sound more like the Joker IMO

 

[Punisher Rising]

I agree about JGL being the next Joker if the role is recasted for the next film or two in the current series. I wouldn't be surprised if he turned it down though, given the reception to Ledger's performance and how so many would be against a recast. Still, he has the look for the part and he's a good actor, although I don't know how well he could play a villain and especially a psychopath like The Joker. But he could probably play it well, it's a matter of having the talent to back up the appearance and being faithful to the source material.

As I said in a previous post here, I wouldn't mind seeing The Joker recasted (I don't think Heath would mind either, he would've known that character has been around for far longer than he had and would know how important the character is to Batman's arc), but most of the general public would feel differently and I think there would just be too much pressure from them against the studio to not recast the role.

 

[Snoo]

Sorry if this has been posted already.

I'm against a recast for Joker myself (so far anyway, it's not something I think about much, to be honest) but I love Joseph Gordon Levitt as much as the next fan (Mysterious Skin is amazing, it's probably my fave of his) and when I saw this very recent picture of him from Rolling Stone, the pose he's in made me smile:

Yes, yes, I know it's just a pose, he's sitting on a chair, big deal, but still... Looks pretty neat to me. t: And JGL makes a good figure in the suit and looks great as usual.

The photo shoot has loads of pictures, including some cool jumping shots. See them here:
http://josephgordonlevitt.org/photos/thumbnails.php?album=357

 

[JokerLedger]

I agree that Joesph-Gordon Levitt looks similar to Heath and would probably be a dead-on Joker in terms of appearance, but you guys aren't considering Joker's voice.

Joesph-Gordon Levitt has too much of a 'little-boy' voice and could not pull off the preformance, I think. But who knows? Maybe he can suprise us if Nolan considers using him.

I disagree... a long time ago I posted up a couple of videos JGL made for his website hitrecord where he narrarates a film entirely in French with an almost Joker-like voice. I believe this voice is what got him the part for Cobra Commander. If I can find it I'll post it up again but it's goOoOoOd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2muxTHPdTe4&feature=PlayList&p=40206164BCE314CC&index=14
The french short he narrarates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iu-8wMUzxk&feature=PlayList&p=40206164BCE314CC&index=15
Here's him with clown make-up that's almost identical to Joker's.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I'd like to hear that clip if you ever find it. From what I've heard of his voice, it wouldn't sound bad for The Joker, IMO.

 

[TheBatman072]

I disagree... a long time ago I posted up a couple of videos JGL made for his website hitrecord where he narrarates a film entirely in French with an almost Joker-like voice. I believe this voice is what got him the part for Cobra Commander. If I can find it I'll post it up again but it's goOoOoOd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2muxTHPdTe4&feature=PlayList&p=40206164BCE314CC&index=14
The french short he narrarates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iu-8wMUzxk&feature=PlayList&p=40206164BCE314CC&index=15
Here's him with clown make-up that's almost identical to Joker's.

...

Well...I'm convinced.

Joseph Gordon-Levitt for the possible recast of Joker.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

IMO thats a good thing that Gordon has such a low pitched voice....Because The Jokers voice in TDK was very low pitched and eerie sounding

I think thats why Goron Levitt would be great because he already has the voice all he would need ot do is fine tune it to sound more like the Joker IMO

This whole Joseph Gordon-Levitt thing spawned from his looks only. Period. Sure, he's a good actor, but I don't think he's up to the caliber of pulling off what Heath Ledger did. People are just buffing up this guy's talent because of his eerie resemblance to Heath.

On top of that, it's not just the voice. It's the mannerisms, the intensity, the sickening ability with improv that Heath displayed all throughout The Dark Knight. I'd rather someone like Depp who's known for that kind of stuff than Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

Plus, if you're just out for looks, have you looked at some shots of Depp? The dude looks somewhat simliar to Heath to me, especially in that raggy-ass "last known photo" of Heath (which I actually thought was Depp until I read the caption).

 

[StorminNorman]

People didn't think Heath was up to the caliber of what Heath Ledger did either.

 

[redfirebird2008]

People didn't think Heath was up to the caliber of what Heath Ledger did either.

Yeah, the 180 from the Batman fan community on Ledger was pretty funny to watch. At first it was homophobic mockery because of Brokeback Mountain, then it was blasphemy because of the "I Believe In Harvey Dent Too" picture, then it suddenly shifted as soon as the teaser trailer came out and everyone heard his voice...and then things went from supportive but skeptical to outright worship when that trailer came out in December 2007.

 

[StorminNorman]

Bettany Dammit

 

[TheBatman072]

Yeah, the 180 from the Batman fan community on Ledger was pretty funny to watch. At first it was homophobic mockery because of Brokeback Mountain, then it was blasphemy because of the "I Believe In Harvey Dent Too" picture, then it suddenly shifted as soon as the teaser trailer came out and everyone heard his voice...and then things went from supportive but skeptical to outright worship when that trailer came out in December 2007.

I was cautiously optimistic from the beginning.

 

[regwec]

Why does no one ackowledge that JGL looks about 14?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Bettany Dammit

Agreed. Bettany would absolutely NAIL the role of Joker. I have supreme confidence in that. Whether he gets the chance is an entirely different matter.

 

[regwec]

Bettany would be great, so would Depp, so would a lot of other actors. I don't know why so many people are seeing a child actor who has similar eyelashes to Heath as the natural successor to the role.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea same here. Don't understand the Levitt love.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I was cautiously optimistic from the beginning.

Same. I figured, "If the dude is good enough to be nominated for an Oscar at age 26 and Nolan is casting him, then he'll probably do at least a decent job."

 

[GregComicFan]

Eh, we managed without him in BB. I'd rather not have him come back in BB3 unless the plot absolutely requires it. You can say that his face was bashed in but that won't explain why his voice and mannerisms and possibly his build are so different. The whole situation is so awkward and I'd rather not deal with it.

Agreed. I really don't think Nolan should include the Joker. The bolded quote sums up my thoughts. Its just so awkward, and it would create such a weird vibe for Batman 3 (everyone would be seeing the movie just to see the performance of the poor actor who decided to play the recasted Joker)... it would just draw so many people OUT of the story and just into dissecting the new actor... and you know NO MATTER HOW WELL THIS ACTOR DOES... he will be universally hated because Ledger's Joker is still, even if 2011 or 2012 when Batman 3 is released, fresh and beloved in peoples' minds. Plus Batman has such a great rogue's gallery, so use any other great villain. Listen, I, as much as anyone else, would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see a Batman 3 that has the Joker rounding up all of Gotham's freaks (Hell, if Joker is back, resurrect Two-Face, get Scarecrow, and the new villains)... and just wreck havok on Batman's life.... but I'm NOT willing to support that movie now due to the awkwardness of a recast. I didn't even like the Rachel recast. Everytime I watch BB and TDK I wish Rachel had been played by the same actress (I prefered Maggie; wish Nolan had cast her in BB).

 

[Cunning Stunts]

People didn't think Heath was up to the caliber of what Heath Ledger did either.

I've seen/heard a couple of people (both on the boards and in real life) that have said they followed Heath since before The Dark Knight, and that for him to pull a performance of such a high caliber out like that wasn't exactly "surprising" (but nonetheless amazing).

Yeah, the 180 from the Batman fan community on Ledger was pretty funny to watch. At first it was homophobic mockery because of Brokeback Mountain, then it was blasphemy because of the "I Believe In Harvey Dent Too" picture, then it suddenly shifted as soon as the teaser trailer came out and everyone heard his voice...and then things went from supportive but skeptical to outright worship when that trailer came out in December 2007.

Yeah, I saw a lot of the IMDB posts that were put up around the time Heath Ledger was announced, and the entire board was filled with, "The Joker CAN'T be a gay cowboy!"

I admit, I was shocked that Ledger was cast, as I hadn't seen many of his movies beforehand, but I was at least willing to wait 'til the freakin' movie came out before I passed judgement on Nolan's decision.

I didn't pay as much attention to this forum, but I'm assuming it was a lot of the same as on IMDB. Now everyone seems to be profound experts on Nolan's casting methods.

 

[Bruce Wayne Jr.]

I agree that Joesph-Gordon Levitt looks similar to Heath and would probably be a dead-on Joker in terms of appearance, but you guys aren't considering Joker's voice.

Joesph-Gordon Levitt has too much of a 'little-boy' voice and could not pull off the preformance, I think. But who knows? Maybe he can suprise us if Nolan considers using him.

I think Depp would be more suited to play the Joker. I agree that Depp is too much of a 'household name' for Nolan's movies, but Depp disappears into his roles, just like Ledger. He's also around the same age as Ledger and can play with his voice (compare his voice in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to his in Pirates. He can make his voice both high and low, mean and nice. Exactly what Ledger did as the Joker)

Depp is working with Nolan on Inception, so he should definitely consider using Depp for the Joker. Depp is so popular, he is the only actor I can see audiences wanting to play the Joker. I think if anyone else played the role, people would be turned off and say 'he's no Ledger' But people are used to Depp transforming in his roles and I think will be more accepting of him playing the character.

Depp is not working with Nolan on Inception.

 

[HitMe]

The way I see it we've seen a great Joker story, and though the Joker could doubtless be featured again and again without it getting old, the main reason I would have imagined Nolan bringing him back for the 3rd installment would be to advance the plot of Batman and Gotham (i.e. 'letting slip' that Batman did not murder). If they can find a plausible way of advancing the plot in this way without him (if they're going to have batman redeemed at all), then I don't see any real need for a recast. Batman has loads of great villains and I disagree with the people who say the only way the climax can be exciting enough is to involve the Joker. Remember that this franchise will probably (and hopefully) go on long after Nolan has quit, and the Joker's not going to appear in every film, he's got to be put to the side at some point.

Also, I agree with Greg in that I think a recast of the Joker would completely take the audience out of the film, so unless Nolan deems it absolutely necessary, I'm against a recast.

Another point i wanted to bring up was with the people claiming that someone (Goyer?) said that there was a plan for the Joker to return in the 3rd part; wasn't that to scar Harvey in the courtroom? Seeing how he's already been scarred, wouldn't that make the argument that the Joker was meant to return null and void? (not that he definitely wasn't, just that he wasn't necessarily)

Having said all that, I'm not at all worried really because I reckon Nolan will make the best of the given situation, he hasn't gone wrong so far on many potentially hazardous decisions.

 

[nobycane]

The way I see it we've seen a great Joker story, and though the Joker could doubtless be featured again and again without it getting old, the main reason I would have imagined Nolan bringing him back for the 3rd installment would be to advance the plot of Batman and Gotham (i.e. 'letting slip' that Batman did not murder). If they can find a plausible way of advancing the plot in this way without him (if they're going to have batman redeemed at all), then I don't see any real need for a recast. Batman has loads of great villains and I disagree with the people who say the only way the climax can be exciting enough is to involve the Joker. Remember that this franchise will probably (and hopefully) go on long after Nolan has quit, and the Joker's not going to appear in every film, he's got to be put to the side at some point.

Also, I agree with Greg in that I think a recast of the Joker would completely take the audience out of the film, so unless Nolan deems it absolutely necessary, I'm against a recast.

Another point i wanted to bring up was with the people claiming that someone (Goyer?) said that there was a plan for the Joker to return in the 3rd part; wasn't that to scar Harvey in the courtroom? Seeing how he's already been scarred, wouldn't that make the argument that the Joker was meant to return null and void? (not that he definitely wasn't, just that he wasn't necessarily)

Having said all that, I'm not at all worried really because I reckon Nolan will make the best of the given situation, he hasn't gone wrong so far on many potentially hazardous decisions.

Well......not to stir up any real s**t here or anything. But if Nolan was to consider the Joker as a small role in the third film, and a recasting decision would be made, I think that ...........wait for it!

Corey Haim should be considered. Have you seen how F'd up this guy is and looks these days. Hell with all the drug use in the recent years, he would not have to go far to don the Joker make up and make sure he gets his lines correct.

If you doubt me...take a look at this pic, http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/14/article-1026455-019B696400000578-764_233x303.jpg

AND watch some of the episodes of the Two Corey's. And just see how out of reality Haim is.....I think he could pull it off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-2V6GBdElY