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[CoherentChaos]

Didn't Mark hint that the personas of Bruce and Hulk will actually be fighting for control in this film, thus signifying Hulk's own persona will be established more as its own and not something that is still just Bruce?

I really hope that actually is the case. Of course I'd be fine if something Scarlet Witch does is what springs this development into motion, just as long as it starts.

And then maybe that actually is Mindless Hulk we're seeing. Maybe he shows up after the first mental struggle between Bruce and an established Hulk persona, and the struggle kinda just knocks both personas out of commission, leaving nothing but base instincts in a Hulked out body loose on the streets.

 

[Herolee10]

Well so far, we really have no idea on what the "real" hulk persona is like. We've only see the Hulk when he's been under the influence of Banner, but never the Hulk when he's been allowed to act for himself, without having so much rage do the acting for hi as well.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Didn't Mark hint that the personas of Bruce and Hulk will actually be fighting for control in this film, thus signifying Hulk's own persona will be established more as its own and not something that is still just Bruce?

Mark did hint that, but is it an actual subplot or just his own interpretation of what the character's going through? Because Joss himself said that he thought Hulk talking was kind of ridiculous, so that doesn't bode well for Hulk having his own full fledged persona.

 

[BigThor]

I think Avengers: EMH did a great job of establishing Hulk and Banner as two seperate personas. As with most people I love EMH Hulk's personality and I can see a little bit of him in Avengers Hulk.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'm curious as to what is happening with banner in the lab. Maybe he's trying to keep the "other guy" contained.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I could be way off, but incorporating what has been said before about a fight between the two personalities, perhaps the reason his eyes go green is because the hulks mind is out, but Banner has managed to stop himself turning fully into the Hulk.

Perhaps we see a Hulk roar, coming out of banner and then his eyes go back to normal and it is Banner again just a thought. It could show Banner is losing control, the Hulk is trying to get out more and more, I think I remember Ruffalo saying the more Banner lets out the Hulk the more he wants to come out. So it could be a precursor to the Hulk raging later on.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

 

[Zoom]

I could be way off, but incorporating what has been said before about a fight between the two personalities, perhaps the reason his eyes go green is because the hulks mind is out, but Banner has managed to stop himself turning fully into the Hulk.

Perhaps we see a Hulk roar, coming out of banner and then his eyes go back to normal and it is Banner again just a thought. It could show Banner is losing control, the Hulk is trying to get out more and more, I think I remember Ruffalo saying the more Banner lets out the Hulk the more he wants to come out. So it could be a precursor to the Hulk raging later on.

That would fit well within the comics lore. In the few times Banner thought he controlled the Hulk, he was never really in control.

 

[Wildcard]

Mark did hint that, but is it an actual subplot or just his own interpretation of what the character's going through? Because Joss himself said that he thought Hulk talking was kind of ridiculous, so that doesn't bode well for Hulk having his own full fledged persona.

If that's the case it'll kind of suck because the Hulk is his own personality. I've always found that the interesting thing about the character is that while he's an extension of Bruce and is actually Bruce, he's still his own persona at the end of the day.

And we need to see more of that. At this point I'd say it's crucial if audiences are going to be shown there are more levels to the Hulk than simply tearing up everything.

 

[Spitfire]

If that's the case it'll kind of suck because the Hulk is his own personality. I've always found that the interesting thing about the character is that while he's an extension of Bruce and is actually Bruce, he's still his own persona at the end of the day.

And we need to see more of that. At this point I'd say it's crucial if audiences are going to be shown there are more levels to the Hulk than simply tearing up everything.

Nicely put. I hope to see the complexities of the Banner/Hulk relationship in the movie. The Hulkbuster scene being a display of the Hulks true persona would be more interesting than him being mind controlled by Wanda.

 

[BigThor]

If I were a Hulk fan I would be pissed at Joss saying Hulk talking would be ridiculous. That's a narrow minded wat of viewing Hulk, especially since you know he talks pretty well in the comics and animation.

As the poster above me said, Hulk being his own separate persona is crucial for him as a character.

 

[dominikat]

One thing is certain. There is not going to be a winner between Hulk and Hulkbuster. Both will be equal. It is already revealed officially by R.D Junior when giving and interview and asked about the fight . This is the quote :
"It can't just be a good fight, it's gotta be about something," Downey said.
He told HitFix: "And the great thing in Age of Ultron is, that fight between [the Hulk and Tony Stark] is, nobody wins when two people who are friends fight."

 

[BigThor]

Lame

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Well he is definitely referring to the emotional impact, if Hulk destroyed the Hulkbuster and seriously injured Stark, Banner isn't exactly going to be going 'yay I won' and vice versa

 

[BigThor]

Could be, I guess we'll find out when AOU hits theaters.

 

[terry78]

Well, when Hulk fights someone that's supposed to be a friend, he's doing it because he's hurt that they used or betrayed him, not because he's looking to win a fight. He doesn't feel good about it after. Even in WWH, his justification was pure anger because he thought all his so called friends felt they knew what was best and were being arrogant.

 

[Wildcard]

Nicely put. I hope to see the complexities of the Banner/Hulk relationship in the movie. The Hulkbuster scene being a display of the Hulks true persona would be more interesting than him being mind controlled by Wanda.

Absolutely. I think it's interesting having these two go at it since they were probably the coolest with each other out of everyone else but I'd like the issues to be between them and not solely mind control. Of course we know they'll be back cool when it's all said and done but the conflict of interest should not be simply because Wanda telepathically nudges him.

If Wanda can control him, what the hell is he gonna do against Thanos?

And I agree with BigThor and I am pissed with a comment like that. The Hulk has always been one of my favorite characters ever so he should not be regarded as simply a (mostly) non-talking monster. There's so much more to him than that.

 

[terry78]

After the raccoon and the tree, you'd think it'd be the lesser of the two weirder things.

 

[Spitfire]

Absolutely. I think it's interesting having these two go at it since they were probably the coolest with each other out of everyone else but I'd like the issues to be between them and not solely mind control. Of course we know they'll be back cool when it's all said and done but the conflict of interest should not be simply because Wanda telepathically nudges him.

If Wanda can control him, what the hell is he gonna do against Thanos?

The conflict between the two personas present in Banner has always been my favourite part of the character. It looks like the barriers between the two personas will break down in the movie and Hulk will become more prominent. Couple this with the stress Banner will be suffering and the breakdown in his friendship with Tony and it makes sense that this scene shows the Hulk out of control due to emotional instability. I hope the red eyes are due to tear gas from the police he's smashing! t:

Its evident from the snow scene that Wanda is going to mentally hurt Banner earlier in the movie. Why keep repeating the same idea? I also don't like the idea of Widow calming him down in the Hulkbuster scene. If he's that mad a more sophisticated conclusion to the fight should be used. Would Betty even be able to calm him when he's that angry?

 

[BigThor]

After the raccoon and the tree, you'd think it'd be the lesser of the two weirder things.

Far far far less weird.

 

[terry78]

I get with Rocket he kinda had to have equal dialogue time because he's a motor mouth. Hulk should probably talk about as much as Groot did, but obviously saying his own stuff.

 

[BigThor]

I get with Rocket he kinda had to have equal dialogue time because he's a motor mouth. Hulk should probably talk about as much as Groot did, but obviously saying his own stuff.

It would seem like a lot more since he wont just be saying one phrase.

 

[DarthAlani]

I want a ****ing winner.

 

[Hypestyle]

I want a talking Hulk, regardless.

 

[Wildcard]

I get with Rocket he kinda had to have equal dialogue time because he's a motor mouth. Hulk should probably talk about as much as Groot did, but obviously saying his own stuff.

Unfair comparison. Groot has one phrase and the Hulk has a history of talking. He started out being a fully talking & thinking creature so I don't get why people are acting like the Hulk talking is a new concept.

To not show aspects like this is negating a huge part of who Bruce Banner and the Hulk are....conflicting personalities that are constantly changing & experiences differences in character traits.

If you just make it as simple as "Banner's a nerd and Hulk is a dumb brute" then it gets boring fast. Very fast.