Saw VI discussion thread

[Matt]

Ah okay, that explains things then. I only have the single disc version of Saw 2.

I was talking to my manager last night and he told me that he remembered reading that there's going to be a Saw 8. Obviously 7 is in the writing phase right now and 8 will most likely start after 7. But I can only hope that 6 will bring everything full circle or close to it, while 7 can be one of those straight to DVD's that can finish the story too.

As I've said before, my money is on seven bombing. They've promised the audience closure in Saw 6, and there is no indication that they are actually giving it. Unless they have a hell of a twist or make good and give closure, you will leave your audience frustrated and annoyed. They've invested six tickets and years in this series and are no closer to closure than they were in the original. That could definitely impact box office of number seven.

 

[CelticPredator]

God I hope so....I really, really do.

 

[The Dark Defender]

SAW III offered closer and they story could've ended there, they simply chose to continue, VI will probably be a simialar ending to that.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

As I've said before, my money is on seven bombing. They've promised the audience closure in Saw 6, and there is no indication that they are actually giving it. Unless they have a hell of a twist or make good and give closure, you will leave your audience frustrated and annoyed. They've invested six tickets and years in this series and are no closer to closure than they were in the original. That could definitely impact box office of number seven.

The thing is these films are cheap to make and they usually make their money back quickly. If they were high in budget I'd agree with you in terms of it bombing.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I think I figured out something about Saw 6 and the concept of bringing everything full circle. At the moment I am starting a Saw marathon before I watch Saw 6 and I'm on the first Saw.

Spoiler

Remember the flashback sequence involving Tapp and Sing when they close in on Jigsaw? Well, after Jigsaw attacked Tapp slashing his throat and running away from him. I noticed how when Sing went down the corridor searching for him, it was almost as if another robed individual was waiting to throw him off.

I think that robed individual was Hoffman. Remember that scar Hoffman has on his chest that we've seen in Saw 4? Well, didn't that person get shot in the abdomen area? So that would possibly explain the scar that Hoffman has on his chest.

But how did Jigsaw manage to keep Hoffman a secret from Amanda? That's what is confusing me right now.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I'm watching the first two tonight, and III-V tomorrow afternoon.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

I watched the first three so far. I'm watching them all with director commentary. I've watched one so far each day. I watched Saw III earlier.

On the commentary for Saw III Darren Lynn Bousman talked about calling up Rob Zombie and talking about the MPAA and then asked what Rob did to secure an R Rating for Devils Rejects. And was told my Rob that as a filmmaker he needed to explain why those things needed to be kept in and why it shouldn't get a NC-17 or anything like that.

 

[Matt]

SAW III offered closer and they story could've ended there, they simply chose to continue, VI will probably be a simialar ending to that.

I disagree. The only closure Saw III gave was in killing Jigsaw. It opened several new plot points and raised new questions in the process while resolving none of the exisiting ones with the exception of Captain Matthews' fate (which was later retconned).

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I disagree. The only closure Saw III gave was in killing Jigsaw. It opened several new plot points and raised new questions in the process while resolving none of the exisiting ones with the exception of Captain Matthews' fate (which was later retconned).

You mean Detective Matthews.

To be fair his fate wasn't retconned since they never actually showed Amanda killing him. Now they did film a scene where she did kill him but it became a deleted scene so they could bring him back for Saw 4.

 

[CelticPredator]

Saw 3 didnt tie up anything. I wanted to kill someone after watching that.

 

[CrypticOne]

I can't wait until tonight. Its finally here! And I'm glad to say I've stayed away from spoilers.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm staying away from spoilers and being an employee at a movie theatre I was told they previewed it last night for employees. All of my co-workers said it's the best Saw sequel right now and that it's been getting good reviews.

I won't be able to watch it until next week since my friends and I are getting together to watch that and Michael Jackson's "This Is It".

 

[The Dark Defender]

I disagree. The only closure Saw III gave was in killing Jigsaw. It opened several new plot points and raised new questions in the process while resolving none of the exisiting ones with the exception of Captain Matthews' fate (which was later retconned).

The two primary characters up until that point were John and Amanda, and both of them died, there was no indication of someone else being out there; the only doors left open were Jeff trying to get his daughter and what happened to Matthews, but as I said those weren't the primary characters anyway. It didn't leave open any questions that really HAD to be answered, Amanda's letter could've just been taken as John's goodbye to her, and it could be concluded that Jeff never got out of the room.

SAW III offered plenty of closure and didn't end on a note that required a continuation.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

One of my co-workers said it's up there with the first Saw in terms of the quality, storytelling, and twists. I don't know if I can wait till next Thursday for the film. I don't want to, however, I want to keep my promise to some friends from Applebees that we would all go together and watch it.

 

[The Chris]

Tomorrow is my bro's birthday. I'm taking him to see this. Hope it's good.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

This is the last time I am going to post in this thread as I intend on avoiding any spoilers of Saw 6.

But right now I am almost finished with my Saw marathon and I've come to some new conclusions. I'm not so sure Dr. Gordon is a willing accomplice if he's alive.

One of the reasons I bring it up is this.

Spoiler

If we're going by timeline scenarios then it was not Jigsaw it placed the key into Michael's eye. The reason being is John isn't limping at all when he's setting up the bathroom trap with Amanda nor is he limping when setting up the game in Saw 2 with Hoffman, nor is he limping when kidnapping Paul with Hoffman as well.

Spoiler

Neither Hoffman nor Amanda is limping either. So either Dr. Gordon is alive and a willing or unwilling accomplice. Or Jigsaw has another accomplice who has a limp.

Once again I'm not getting my hopes up on Gordon showing up in Saw 6 and nor do I intend on reading any spoilers in this thread. But this is something to think about.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

I wanna hopefully see this sometime this weekend.


Something I always found weird was How Riggs died. I mean he got shot what in the stomach, by Eric right as we was coming through the doors. And soon later the cops come in and find everyone. Would you die that quickly if you were shot in the stomach? Again atleast that's where I thought he got shot. It could have been higher like maybe in the chest I dont know.

Spoiler

I mean he had enough strength to pick up the gun and shot Art in the head. Then all of a sudden he passed out and died?

 

[CelticPredator]

I'm going to be pissed this whole weekend. Ugh.

 

[Eelectro 2]

i'm very happy saw 6 has closure, but i've read multiple times that its closure in the way that johns 'mission' is complete. that something of a story started in 5 and will go through 8. i wouldnt have minded them ending it with 6 but they already have ideas planned out to 8 and i'm ok with that as well. i do hope THAT will be the end tho.

 

[CrypticOne]

Just got back from seeing it. HOLY *****!!!!

Spoiler

Hoffman is now my favorite character. Him taking out Perez and Erickson, pure awesomeness. Escaping him unwinnable trap, dope!

 

[marvelman2006]

Just got back from seeing it. HOLY *****!!!!

Spoiler

Hoffman is now my favorite character. Him taking out Perez and Erickson, pure awesomeness. Escaping him unwinnable trap, dope!

hey can you just tell me what happens? just the main story and the ending is all i need to know.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Or you could just see the movie you know.

 

[marvelman2006]

Or you could just see the movie you know.

nah, dont feel like putting out $10 just to see a 5 minute ending. i couldnt stand the last one, and i dont want to waste money on this but ironically i want to see how it ends, its weird because everyone looks foward to the ending with these films.

 

[Matt]

I doubt I'm going to see it because...well...yeah. At least not til dollar theater or DVD, but there is a pretty detailed synopsis on Wikipedia.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Wow...just wow.

Everything I hoped it'd be and more. Thus far no installment has come reasonably close to SAW III for me, but this was just about as good.

Right from the beginning, every trap has meaning, the way that the dialogue throughout the film pertains to the violence is extremely thought provoking.

I expected to hate William when he was first introduced, but in the end loved his character almost as much as Jeff, I felt bad for him despite the awful things he's done, and really wanted him to make it.

This does the best job of any installment thus far at both having characters their lesson while forcing them to suffer for their sins at the same time.

The health care aspect was a brilliant way to weave in and out of characterization, moral dilemmas, and themes that personally and socially relevant.

The flashbacks feel just as relevant to the story as what's happening currently, Charlie Clouser was at the top of his game coming up with some innovative ways of using the themes from the previous films at exactly the right times, I think this is Tobin Bell's most emotionally charged performance yet, Costas Mandylor gives the most sinister villain performance of the series that had me anxious to see him get what was coming to him (without revealing whether that happened or not), there are some interesting twists building throughout the film that serve a purpose rather than just one or two at the end there are there to be "shocking," and I was completely on the edge of my seat during the tests to see what would happen to these people since I'm almost more invested when the situations directly relate to the transgressions of the victim(s), and they balanced survivors compared to deaths enough to where I really wasn't sure who would make it.

It feels as climactic as SAW III with a sense of finality to the primary characters of the second trilogy that could be continued, but doesn't necessarily need to be unlike the "to be continued..." endings that were more like pauses in the middle from SAW IV and V.

This is the best horror film of 2009 and the second best movie of the year behind only District 9.