Saw VI discussion thread

[LastSunrise1981]

How is the game is it any good?

I haven't played the game. I have heard mixed reviews of it and it's a game that sheds light on the story of Tapp, Detective Sing, Sing's wife Melissa, and Amanda. From what I read it's good to have if you want to fill in the holes of what happened to Tapp after he was shot.

Although I am quite sure most people got it to see what happened with Gordon and he wasn't mentioned in the game.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Jeff was that black cop guy right who was in SAW game?

Spoiler

No. Jeff was the guy in Saw 3 who was consumed by revenge for the accidental death of his son. He was the guy that Strahm killed at the end of Saw IV.

 

[bullets]

dr.gordon!!!!!!!!!

Where? Wtf are you talking about?

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Where? Wtf are you talking about?

He's saying Dr. Gordon should be the one that tests Hoffman or comes back in some fashion.

Jill testing Hoffman is way too obvious and I prefer they go into a different direction. But who knows? Maybe it's one of those aspects created to throw us off and surprise us in the end.

 

[Crosswind Ghost]

It's been hinted that Dr. Gordon was an accomplice, doing the surgical procedures on test subjects such as, Michael(Venice fly trap). Which someone like hoffman, amanda or john wouldn't be able to do. Also with all the medical supplies that were present in the sick room(SAW III), which only a doctor would have access to.

 

[Fresh Prince]

So nobody liked the cop guy who was playing SAw's game in Saw 4? The one who would think last and act first.

 

[CelticPredator]

The thing is, what would anyone do if they were in that situation. Jeff didn't know the consequences. He's been put through so much and his wife had just been shot, all because of John. We're led to believe, these people deserve this. But all in all were talking about Flawed people, not evil, not bad people. Same goes for Rigg in IV. He gets punished for trying to save his friend. I think the writing really screwed up when developing the films moral theme. "If you're friend or loved one is in trouble, They need to help themselves!". It's a little ridiculous. Also I wonder if the % rate of people failing they're game, being near 80% ever gave John the thought, "maybe I'm going about this the wrong way". Again the writing is very flawed.

This post is fact. And correct.

 

[Matt]

I haven't played the game. I have heard mixed reviews of it and it's a game that sheds light on the story of Tapp, Detective Sing, Sing's wife Melissa, and Amanda. From what I read it's good to have if you want to fill in the holes of what happened to Tapp after he was shot.

Although I am quite sure most people got it to see what happened with Gordon and he wasn't mentioned in the game.

I did a quick run through on a rental and was less than impressed. Yeah, it fills some gaps for the characters you mentioned, but in the end, it just didn't matter. One could easily assume Tapp simply died after being shot. And we knew all we needed to know about Amanda and Sing. This game wasn't really a story that needed to be told. That's the biggest problem. Though the atmosphere of the game is great.

 

[Matt]

The thing is, what would anyone do if they were in that situation. Jeff didn't know the consequences. He's been put through so much and his wife had just been shot, all because of John. We're led to believe, these people deserve this. But all in all were talking about Flawed people, not evil, not bad people. Same goes for Rigg in IV. He gets punished for trying to save his friend. I think the writing really screwed up when developing the films moral theme. "If you're friend or loved one is in trouble, They need to help themselves!". It's a little ridiculous. Also I wonder if the % rate of people failing they're game, being near 80% ever gave John the thought, "maybe I'm going about this the wrong way". Again the writing is very flawed.

Definitely a problem with the franchise. Such a problem has exisited since the second movie. In Saw II, all Matthews wanted to do was save his son. He was in turn manipulated by John with implied threats to his son. That isn't teaching a lesson, it is pretty much goading someone into giving you a reason to kill them. In Saw V the grand lesson was you should trust a serial killer or you die. Strahm had no reason trust Jigsaw and yet...he's still killed for it. These aren't justified. They are just wrong. The only movie where I think Jigsaw lives up to his anti-hero ideal of himself is Saw 1 and only to a certain, tiny extent.

 

[The Chris]

The thing is, what would anyone do if they were in that situation. Jeff didn't know the consequences. He's been put through so much and his wife had just been shot, all because of John. We're led to believe, these people deserve this. But all in all were talking about Flawed people, not evil, not bad people. Same goes for Rigg in IV. He gets punished for trying to save his friend. I think the writing really screwed up when developing the films moral theme. "If you're friend or loved one is in trouble, They need to help themselves!". It's a little ridiculous. Also I wonder if the % rate of people failing they're game, being near 80% ever gave John the thought, "maybe I'm going about this the wrong way". Again the writing is very flawed.

I look at it like this. The longer the series goes, the more full of crap Jigsaw comes across, Especially with the Rigg one. I understood the whole Jeff needing to forgive thing, but Rigg's friends where getting picked apart one by one by Jigsaw himself, so he had a right to be obsessive and want to save them. He is really starting to punish people for just being human. Luckily in Saw V he went back to trapping people who actually did something wrong.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I actually look at it a bit differently honestly. The theme of Saw 3, 4, and 5 remain very morale and true in my opinion. Jeff was consumed by revenge to the point to where he wasn't thinking rationally. In the end it cost him his wife and his own life.

Rigg's game was to prove you can't save everyone. In the end with him going through an unsecure door thus getting shot by Eric, Hoffman leaving him to bleed out, and etc utimately shows that you can't always be somebody's hero. Sometimes that person has to help themselves in order to get out of a messy situation.

I'm getting the impression that Strahm is alive. Don't ask why but I am thinking the walls didn't crush him completely and they stopped before killing him.

 

[The Dark Defender]

But...they showed them close. That was the final shot, the screen going to black as the walls came together.

 

[Crosswind Ghost]

Yeah, Strahm is dead. You can also expect William(VI's Protagonist) to die for making one small mistake at the very end. If not, then his death can be placed in VII!

 

[The Dark Defender]

Yeah, because being consumed by vengeance and rage to the point where you shove your family away is really a small mistake...

 

[The Chris]

I'm hoping that in one of these the protagonist actually listens and succeeds but they never do, but I guess there's no fun in that.

 

[Crosswind Ghost]

Yeah, because being consumed by vengeance and rage to the point where you shove your family away is really a small mistake...

Surely anyone who does this deserves to die.

 

[Crosswind Ghost]

I'm hoping that in one of these the protagonist actually listens and succeeds but they never do, but I guess there's no fun in that.

Well 1/6 can't be too much to ask for?? Lawrence Gordon, Eric Mathews, Jeff Denlon, Daniel Rigg and Peter Strahm.

Not looking good for William Easton. Which is sad the writers can't change it up a bit.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

But...they showed them close. That was the final shot, the screen going to black as the walls came together.

The picture of Hoffman looking up at Strahm's corpse doesn't indicate that Strahm was crushed either. I am not saying Strahm is alive by any means.

Either that is a promo picture or there's more to the picture than meets the eye.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

There's a new Saw 6 picture released.

The picture is on the front page of the official Saw website.

http://www.officialsawnews.com/

 

[Crosswind Ghost]

There's a new Saw 6 picture released.

The picture is on the front page of the official Saw website.

http://www.officialsawnews.com/

That was released a few weeks ago.

 

[JackBauer]

Surely anyone who does this deserves to die.

The way Jigsaw sees it, yeah. Remember, his motto is "Those who don't appreciate life, don't deserve life." or something to that effect. It's not necessarily about a person being evil or anything.

Jeff had a wife and daughter, he could have moved on, but he kind of gave up on life. Perfect example of a Jigsaw target.

 

[Matt]

What was Strahm's crime? Not trusting a serial killer?

 

[nocomics]

What was Strahm's crime? Not trusting a serial killer?

Ya,not sure why Strahm and his partner were targeted maybe we will get flashbacks in Saw 12 or something when the ideas have ran out
All kidding aside the only thing I can think of for Strahm was he was pig-headed or a zealot towards his work,and maybe neglected his family??

 

[King K]

So is this the last installment or........do I need to cry some more?

 

[The Dark Defender]

You can keep up your incessant whining, it's not the last one. SAW VII in 3D is being prepared now.

Surely anyone who does this deserves to die.

Of course they don't DESERVE to die, the point of the films was never to say that Jigsaw's methods were right; but that hardly makes it a "small mistake" since it was ruining several lives.