Say something positive about The Last Stand

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  1. henzINNIT

    henzINNIT Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't all bad was it?


    I've thought of some...

    - Beast is very well handled in the movie. He's put to good use, has a unique view of the cure, and gets to show both his intelligence and his brute strength. I liked the make-up (more than First Class also) and is played brilliantly by Kelsey Grammar.

    - Storm is still miscast, but at least she got to kick some ass.

    - Ice-Ice-Man.

    - Angel and his father are well implemented in the story despite not being developed enough.
     
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  2. Nell2ThaIzzay

    Nell2ThaIzzay Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it was all bad at all. While it's the most flawed of the main trilogy to be sure, I still think it does more good than bad, and I think what it does right, it even does better than the Singer films (that said, the Singer films obviously excel in areas that X-Men: The Last Stand doesn't) For my list:

    Beast
    Beast was a great addition to the franchise. I felt he was portrayed perfectly from the comics. He's one of the better characters in the entire series off this one movie alone (X-Men: First Class certainly helped that, but X-Men: The Last Stand was the better portrayal of Beast). I even like how Beast is a former student who is returning to the team in a time of need, a nod to the actual Dark Phoenix Saga where Beast is a former X-Man that returns to the team. I don't know if that little nod was intentional or unintentional, but I liked it.

    Dark Phoenix Saga
    I know this is what gets the most **** about the movie, but I thought it was an interesting take on the character (I prefer split personalities over space entity - I think it's more realistic and believable, and also still gets the same point across), and most of the elements of the film version can be found in the comics. Xavier's psychic blocks are an element in the comics, Logan struggling with killing Jean, hell, even the killing of Cyclops at least ties itself to the comic book motivations. While the comics have Cyclops as the one person Jean can't / won't kill due to their connection, their bond, it is watching Cyclops struck down in the final battle that finally drives Jean past all the mental blocks and Phoenix comes back once more. In the movie, Phoenix kills Cyclops, and it is this that drives Jean's motivations of running, and eventually, wanting to die. Cyclops still drives her entire motivation, so while I don't like killing off Cyclops, it at least is still the driving factor of her motivation. The explanation of Phoenix being a creature of pure desire, joy, and rage, as Xavier explains to Logan, fits in with the Dark Phoenix Saga, as through Jean, Phoenix is able to experience emotions of joy and pleasure that it never experienced before, and it's not willing to give those up. The movie version of the Dark Phoenix Saga checks all the same boxes as the comic version, it just does it in different ways.

    The Cure
    While a lot of people also had problems with the movie focusing on 2 plot lines, I didn't. Magneto had been building up his war in his mind for 2 movies, and we had to see it. It couldn't just be forgotten about because of Jean. I thought the cure was a good story to use, and I thought that it fit in well as a follow up to X-Men and X2, as well as a good plot to run parallel with The Phoenix Saga. It allowed us to finally see Magneto and the Brotherhood go all out as mutant terrorists, something Singer's films didn't really do, as well as finally give cause for Magneto to bring his war to humanity's doorstep. Magneto was quite possibly at his best of the main trilogy in this film. His 2 speeches were great character moments that were delivered brilliantly by Ian McKellen, and his displays of power were much more aggressive and ruthless.

    It was the most comic booky
    This one felt, more than X-Men or X2, like it was taken out of the pages of the comics. I do appreciate Singer's films for being so grounded in reality. I felt that was the right direction to take, and I wouldn't want Singer's films re-done any differently. But X-Men: The Last Stand keeps that "grounded in reality" vision, and ups the stakes, giving it a lot more excitement than Singer's 2 films, and a lot more comic book style action, without going too over the top.

    In the end, I thought that X-Men: The Last Stand told the best story of the main trilogy (and didn't butcher it as badly as some people feel it did), and was a fitting climax to the ongoing story arcs. I did certainly suffer in some areas - some were continuations of the mistakes that Bryan Singer and co. made, some were brand new mistakes - but all the movies made mistakes, quite frankly, and this one was no different. Like the other movies, I was able to look past the mistakes that it did make, because what it did right well outweighed what it did wrong. And to this day, the finale with Logan marching up to kill Jean is one of my favorite sequences in the entire series.
     
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  3. henzINNIT

    henzINNIT Well-Known Member

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    I like how Mags leaves Mystique behind after she is cured. That is a nice bastardly moment.
     
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    I love Phoenix in Jean's house. When she hovering with her arms out and her face turns dark.

    She just looks evil.
     
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    psylockolussus Well-Known Mutant

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    -First two scenes of Angel
    -Iceman in full ice-form
    -Spyke VS Wolverine - short but nice
    -The scene between Rogue and Wolverine
    -Beast
    -Professor X's funeral was emotional
    -Even though Cyclops and Mystique weren't eliminated in the story very early, their scenes were good as as whole.
     
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    - The Cast.

    - The characters they play.

    - The comics the movie is inspired by.
     
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  7. Drefan21

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    Kelsey grammer as Beast !!!
     
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    Kelsey Grammer and ellen Page were well cast and did good job

    The Danger room on screen

    Decent action sequenzes with the fight at Jean's parent's house and climatic battle.

    Iceman In Iceform

    Storm flying

    Fastball special with Colossus throwing Wolverine

    Beast saying "Oh My Stars and Garters"
     
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    Ultra Lantern In Darkest Night!

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    Seeing the Sentinel in the Danger Room.
     
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    Icy Robert Drake
     
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    - Scott & Jean's initial interaction after she appears infront of him at Alkali Lake

    - The way Jean reacts when Logan asks her what happened to Scott

    - Bobby and John's interaction outside the city cure centre

    - Mystique's interrogation early in the movie

    - The golden gate bridge initial destruction sequence

    - The Moira scene after the credits
     
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    faster pacing and more intensity, action packed/ climactic than the previous movies
     
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  13. IronGirl299

    IronGirl299 Don't let it control you

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    The nods to Phoenix, the Cure and the end...Chills.
    Actually it was an okay movie, but some things were going a little...off.
    LIKE WHERE THE HECK WAS NIGHTCRAWLER??
     
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  14. Guhndoi

    Guhndoi Side-Kick's Side-Kick

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    I like a lot of what has already been mentioned.

    This interaction with Magneto and Callisto

    Callisto: If you're so proud of being a mutant, where's your mark?
    Magneto: I have been marked once, my dear, and let me assure you,
    [pulls back his sleeve to reveal the Nazi concentration camp serial number tattooed on his arm]
    Magneto: No needle shall ever touch my skin again.
     
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  15. psylockolussus

    psylockolussus Well-Known Mutant

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    I liked Iceman's ice form. Some of the scenes were really cool and it wasn't that bad.
     
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  16. El Payaso

    El Payaso Well-Known Member

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    Everything except a few cheese moments (which are usually there in every superhero movie anyways) was great about this one.
     
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  17. Zant

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    All this X men 3 talk reminds me how much I love that movie
     
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  18. Barelekkert

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    I like all the X-men movies, but I like X-Men First Class the most, and 2nd comes X-men 1 and 3rd X-men 2.
    Sorry for posting this question here, but I'm new to this site.
    I have question about mutants: do they die of age? I thinking of one of my favorite X-Men Magneto. In the first X-Men movies in present day Magneto is old. In First Class he is young. Will he die of age and if not why do he get old?
     
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  19. Generation Lee

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    Iceman icing up.
    Young Angel cutting his wings off.
    Finally decent fight scenes, X-Men V hundreds lol.
    Jean killing Scott and Xavier, if you cannot kill billions kill the 2 people you love most in the world.
    Storm shows she can fight.
    Danger room.
     
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  20. OrgasmicPotatoe

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    I did not like the whole Phoenix story. I liked Jean Grey, she was my favourite femal X-Men in the movies, and now she just looked f'd up all the time. It was like she was some kind of robot. Maybe it's the whole point of the Phoenix saga, if so, then I guess I just don't like the saga.

    But aside from that, the movie was great. Beast was 100 times better than the beast from First Class (he looks like a deformed lion). I think human blue face with canines and facial hair worked better than creature-like CGI face.

    Also, Magneto being depowered at the end was exciting. I didn't see it coming, and it being done by Beast and Wolverine was a great idea. Iceman in complete ice was cool too, I admit (no pun intended).

    The scene where Magento stops the truck to free the mutants inside. The whole scene : Magneto getting rid of the cops cars, breaking in the truck, checking out all the mutants and their powers, reuiting with Mystique right before she is depowered. Without people fighting eachother, it was still good action.

    Although there is one thing that bugged me (and this is not only in the X-Men franchise) is the fact that they always say a certain sentence at the beginning of the movie and use the exact same one in the climactic ending. It feels cheap, really cheap. And no Nightcrawler. Though it's only because the actor was given such a small role he decided it wasn't worth all the make-up. Who knows maybe Singer would have kept it (I don't think he would introduce it as such a strong character in X2 just to throw it away in the next movie)
     
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    -The soundtrack was the best in the series.
    -The fight scene at the house was cool.
    -Magneto had some cool shots and lines.
    -They finally included the Danger Room.
    -Beast was dead on imo.
    -The tone of the film felt more like the comics.
     
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  22. pr0xyt0xin

    pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    Ellen Page
     
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  23. Rogue Kira

    Rogue Kira All Knowing Spidey-Fan

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    Beast And The End credits. :spidey:
     
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    "I'm the juggernaut, b****!"
     
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  25. PSYLENTGuardian

    PSYLENTGuardian El Pollos Hermano

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    Loved the execution of Logan finally killing Jean. I thought a lot of the dramatic scenes were handled with a lot of power. That's something that stood out in each X-Men movie, but it really came to a head here.
     
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