Say you took the reins at DC...

[trustyside-kick]

Why? Or would it have been better if I would have said bring back some the old 60's costumes let Aquaman continue to be the gay character he is...

You obviously don't know much. Because while people may not be fans of the character greatly, people who know things about Aquaman know he isn't "the gay character" you seem to view him as.

And your other views aren't too great either. Oh and you say them to make a DC version of Marvel's Civil War? Who do you think did that first? There were differences, sure...but DC did that years ago with the JSA. And having the current heroes do what the Marvel heroes did is not needed.

 

[Aristotle]

Wow Im so glad I come to the Superherohype threads just to get my opinions torn apart by ignorant mother ****ers like you.

If you don't like people disagreeing with you, you should probably stay off of internet forums. If "go **** yourself" was the harshest thing you've ever experienced, you have been using a very different internet than I have.

Because I had no idea that you were still sucking on DC's dick.

Not really. I like their titles a lot more, generally, and I generally always have. I read Astonishing, Cap, and Ghost Rider. I've always been a big fan of Cap and GR, and I always try to check out what they're doing in the X-titles. The Ultimates is pretty good, although I still hate the concept. I'm also really into Dark Horse, as they almost never publish a bad comic, as well as some of the great stuff coming out of Image. I'd mention WildStorm, but I'm sure that would just sound like more dick-sucking to you.

Maybe you should get off the DC dick and realize that DC will never come close to Marvel anymore.

In terms of comic book sales, Marvel may do better than DC until superhero comics are extinct. You may be right, saleswise. But in terms of quality? Marvel has never been as good as DC. From the first issue of a Marvel comic, they had the most sub-par writer in the universe (Stan Lee.) They've never recovered. They're all about fan-service, plot devices that make no sense, ENDLESS retcons by any joe-blow who wants to retcon something because there is no editorial discipline, and cheap marketing and merchandising ploys (thinking of Secret Wars here.) Hell, in Civil War, Iron Man's resolve was strengthened by...what? An action figure. Tells you a little something about what Marvel's really concerned about, if they think merchandising is the most emotional galvanizing factor in a person's life.

The only thing DC has left is Batman and that crappy Smallville t.v. show.

So you don't really read comics, am I right? You just watch the movies and TV shows?

 

[Aristotle]

Its called an opinion freedom of speech

When are you morons going to realize that freedom of speech only applies to government infringement? It has nothing to do with someone who disagrees with you.

 

[Closerframe]

The last thing I would do is bring back the original Batman: The Animated Series. That show kicked so much ass.

 

[Closerframe]

The last things I would do is bring back the original Batman: The Animated Series. That show kicked so much ass. And make some video games because DC's games have been on the down side...

 

[trustyside-kick]

I wasn't questioning Aquaman's sexuality. I was just saying he was one of the weakest characters in DC's libray. And if you read the first sentence of the first post it said hypotheticaly if you took over DC. (Its called an opinion )

No, he isn't one of the weakest. It's even more evident with that statement how little you know about the DCU.

 

[Closerframe]

No, he isn't one of the weakest. It's even more evident with that statement how little you know about the DCU.

Thats good for me...t:

 

[trustyside-kick]

The last things I would do is bring back the original Batman: The Animated Series. That show kicked so much ass. And make some video games because DC's games have been on the down side...

I loved that show too, but I'd sacrifice anymore Batman media exposure for the "littler guys" of the DCU. DC depends on Superman and Batman too much and it's really annoying. That's one of the things I like about Marvel; shining the light on more than two people. The average person knows more about Marvel people than DC people because DC focuses on Bats and Supes too much. This belief of mine carries over especially to the DC movies. I love Bats, he is my favorite and I've always liked him since I was little...but damnit I want to see other heroes hitting the big screen. Take a few sacrifices DC.

So I'd want a JSA/Flash/Green Lantern/Aquaman/Green Arrow/Birds of Prey/Wonder Woman (she's had media exposure, and is commonly known but I think the Timmverse series for her would be good) cartoon (one of those obviously not all at once) instead of another Batman/Superman cartoon, done by the Timmverse team. Or perhaps they could do an anthology of superhero episodes. Certain amount of episodes dedicated to certain heroes and teams, featuring only characters and settings within their mythos or something.

And I do agree that DC games do suck. I really wish they would make a good game. It was so painful trying to play Justice League: Heroes. Hopefully the new game that's taking so long and supposed to be designed by Jim Lee (mainly) will turn out to be good.

 

[Closerframe]

I agree completely. I wish DC would branch out more because some of the villains of the heroes (Aquaman, Green Lantern, The Flash) the average person doesnt know their villains but people know Joker, people know Venom not just because they have been in movies and tv shows but their so icionic. I mean Black Manta and Sinestro are cool I just wish they would give them a chance to shine like Joker and Lex Luthor..

 

[trustyside-kick]

Lol, may want to watch you saying Venom is iconic. I won't get all stirred up...but a good amount of Spidey fans would. Probably what ticks them off the most around here is making Venom look important. I've seen countless arguements how Venom isn't an important Spidey villain; especially not more important than Doc Ock and Green Goblin.

But I won't deny that he is a known villain outside of comic fans. I see your point.

 

[Closerframe]

Your right Venom isnt really a villain he's a anti-villain, but the reason Spidey Fans like him so much is that they see him kinda as Spider-Mans Joker. Hes basically the opposite of Spider-Man like Joker is the opposite of Batman. Venom is a cool character of course not better than Carnage. Venom in Spider-Man 3 was pointless and a waste of money. But what do i know...

 

[Darthphere]

Your right Venom isnt really a villain he's a anti-villain, but the reason Spidey Fans like him so much is that they see him kinda as Spider-Mans Joker. Hes basically the opposite of Spider-Man like Joker is the opposite of Batman. Venom is a cool character of course not better than Carnage. Venom is Spider-Man 3 was pointless and a waste of money. But what do i know...

Oh dear....


I think even Aristotle will agree with me on this one.

 

[Closerframe]

Oh dear....


I think even Aristotle will agree with me on this one.

Im not trying to start another debate all I'm basically saying is every hero has a opposite. And in my eyes Venom is Spider-Mans...

 

[Closerframe]

I'll tell my goons to implement the use of dick rider immediately.

I'm still not over the "Venom is iconic" and "Venom is Spider-Man's Joker" comments.

I didnt mean Venom is on the same level as Joker. Trust me that will be the last thing that ever comes out my mouth. The Joker is in my opinion is the most iconic of all comicbook villains. Batman has the greatest rogue gallary. And i cleared up why Venom isnt iconic...

 

[gildea]

They're all about fan-service, plot devices that make no sense, ENDLESS retcons by any joe-blow who wants to retcon something because there is no editorial discipline, and cheap marketing and merchandising ploys (thinking of Secret Wars here.)

Retacon Punch?

 

[Mladen]

Stephanie Brown gets the memorial case she deserves.

Vertigo gets additional funding and shelf-space, and starts accepting non-solicited artwork and scripts again. This will allow new talent an easier way to break into the biz, by writing exciting new ORIGINAL works. DC and Vertigo keep the rights to re-publish the books in question, but the creator-ownership remains with the creator!

Cancel all movie deals on major characters (the comics industry is suffering from these films. stories are becoming more generic and less interesting for it).

Single issues would be double the length (to make up for the ads), and the back of the comic would actually have a description of the contents instead of a full-page ad.

Bring back the letters columns.

Nightwing gets a good solo series.

Bring back a Legends of the Dark Knight type series but drawing upon the entire DC universe (DC LEGENDS), yet ignoring all concepts of 'continuity' and instead focuses on presenting consistently original and fascinating stories and new types of artwork which'll attract new customers. The series will guest-stars young up and comers as well as the cream of the crop of extremely talented yet strangely unpopular comic book writers and artists.

Frank Miller is banned from doing any more of his half-arsed 'satires' like All-stars.

 

[Alex Summers]

Your right Venom isnt really a villain he's a anti-villain, but the reason Spidey Fans like him so much is that they see him kinda as Spider-Mans Joker. Hes basically the opposite of Spider-Man like Joker is the opposite of Batman. Venom is a cool character of course not better than Carnage. Venom in Spider-Man 3 was pointless and a waste of money. But what do i know...

Since when is Venom the opposite of Spider-man? I always thought that title would go to Doc Ock. And I'm not even to comment on the fact that you think Carnage is a "cool character".

Wait, I guess I just did.

 

[Kitsune]

Marvel has never been as good as DC. From the first issue of a Marvel comic, they had the most sub-par writer in the universe (Stan Lee.) They've never recovered. They're all about fan-service, plot devices that make no sense, ENDLESS retcons by any joe-blow who wants to retcon something because there is no editorial discipline, and cheap marketing and merchandising ploys (thinking of Secret Wars here.)

You really are bugger for the bottle aren't you?
You clearly need to read some of what DC was putting out when Stan Lee was actually writing. While by todays standards Stan's bombastic style may seem a bit crass, but it was way ahead of its time in the 60s, where DC was continuing to crank out endless stories of Jimmy Olsen gaining powers, and Superman being turned into a monkey. Stan Lee and company were the first people to give heroes real problem and flaws, and it really made a difference in the industry. Marvel was also the first company to deal with issues like drug abuse, in an issue of Amazing Spider-Man that didn't carry the comics code approval. I think that you bias and ignorance are crystal clear.

 

[Closerframe]

Since when is Venom the opposite of Spider-man? I always thought that title would go to Doc Ock. And I'm not even to comment on the fact that you think Carnage is a "cool character".

Wait, I guess I just did.

So let me guess you dont like Carnage. I dont care what any of you say Carnage is better than Venom.

 

[Anubis]

Probably. In the end it doesn't matter cuz they both suck.

 

[Joker]

Cancel all movie deals on major characters (the comics industry is suffering from these films. stories are becoming more generic and less interesting for it).

that is the most ******ed thing i've ever heard. the movies hardly effect the comics at all, the most you get is a costume change. and besides, you'd have no control over that, as WB owns DC comics, so they can do whatever they want to with the characters.

 

[Kitsune]

The last thing I would do is bring back the original Batman: The Animated Series. That show kicked so much ass.

HELL YES!!!!

 

[Mladen]

that is the most ******ed thing i've ever heard. the movies hardly effect the comics at all, the most you get is a costume change. and besides, you'd have no control over that, as WB owns DC comics, so they can do whatever they want to with the characters.

They affect the comics in the way that because every single movie that comes out is openly, "A darker, more realistic vision than the comics", that the comics are having to darken up (even more) and 'realistic-up' to compensate.
That and its just enforcing the fact that yes, there are only a handful of comics that people read, and its all superhero stuff. I'm happy with adaptations like A History of Violence, or From Hell (had the film been better that is), but whenever its superheros something tends to get derailed. All i mean is there should be less adaptations of heroes, more of the Icon/Epic/Vertigo type stuff.

 

[Aristotle]

Retacon Punch?

First of all, I've never maintained that DC is perfect. They've made some STUPID calls.

Regarding the retcon punch: I sincerely doubt that was what Winick originally planned to do for the resurrection. I'm betting that was editorial mandate. And yes, that was a poor plot device, and a poor way of justifying the last 20 years' worth of retcons (of which Marvel has had more, I maintain.) But a key difference here is that the point was to make those retcons have SOME justification. And you'll find retcons more frequently JUSTIFIED with DC (except in the cases that I always bring up, Supergirl and Hawkman) than with Marvel. At Marvel, you're as liable to find out Uncle Ben never died, and any story referencing that event never happened either, as you are to see Spidey fight some lame-ass villain. They won't even try to say it was all a trick. It just never happened.

No, that obviously never really happened, but a lot of **** like that has happened at Marvel. And that's my point about the retcons.

 

[Aristotle]

You really are bugger for the bottle aren't you?
You clearly need to read some of what DC was putting out when Stan Lee was actually writing. While by todays standards Stan's bombastic style may seem a bit crass, but it was way ahead of its time in the 60s, where DC was continuing to crank out endless stories of Jimmy Olsen gaining powers, and Superman being turned into a monkey.

It. was. FUN. Remember that? Remember how comics used to be fun? Of course, that could never work today. Today's fanboys wouldn't stand for it. We all saw how long the Impact line lasted, didn't we? And of course, no one has time for any of the Johnny DC books. I've seen people talk **** on them without even reading them. No, comics can't be fun. They can't be wacky and crazy and silly anymore. We demand realism. To paraphrase Grant Morrison, if what we're seeing all over comics today is realism, maybe we ought to be examining the real world before we go trying to **** up fictional ones.

I'm not saying that a lot of the DC writing from that period holds up spectacularly today, but when I see guys like Morrison and others updating Silver Age DC concepts for a more modern sensibility, I like what I see. Then I look at Marvel, whose basic tendencies haven't changed a scintilla since the company began, and I look at their comics, which, as always, are the same old Silver Age concepts, updated for a modern sensibility. But unlike at DC, where it all feels both fresh and historical, Marvel's stuff feels trite, shallow, and depressing.

Keep your postmodern mire of meaninglessness, that morass of almost-depth of character that has always been Marvel's trademark. I'll take a little heroism with my superheroes. I'll take flawed characters who still somehow come out as OK people at the end of it, before I'll ever enjoy characters whose flaws consume them. If the last few pages of Civil War are Marvel's idea of optimism...God save us from the pessimists.

Marvel was also the first company to deal with issues like drug abuse, in an issue of Amazing Spider-Man that didn't carry the comics code approval. I think that you bias and ignorance are crystal clear.

I'd have to go back and check, but I believe that while the Marvel issue came out first, both companies were developing them independently. The Green Arrow issue just came out later.