Scream 4!!!!! - Part 3

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JustABill said:
Which is my thing with most of the negative reviews for this movie so far. They bring up things that don't make sense. The word overlong keeps coming up but the movie is a pretty standard length. They also bring up the meta influences on the film, yet that's part of what a Scream film is.
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When people say "overlong" it doesn't necessarily mean the film is actually too long. It's mainly due to the pacing being bad and it SEEMING overlong due to that.

And the negative things i've seen about the meta stuff are because the meta stuff is the only thing the movie has going for it. Apparently the plot isn't as tight, the characters ain't as memorable as the first movies. The movie is relying too much on it's irony and meta commentary, is what i'm getting from the reviews.

The first Scream was a great slasher movie first and foremost. With a tight plot and interesting characters. The meta commentary was part of the charm, not the only thing it had going for it.
 
I know this probably isn't the place for this question, but does anyone know the name of the movie where this black shadow jumps from person to person? Its like a comedy/horror.
 
Finally saw it, not bad. I really like the opening and ending. Kind of suprise.
 
he gave it a 8/10 in the"last movie you saw"thread!
 
Spider-ManHero12 said:
^^ Cool! Did you find it as good or better than Scream 2 and 3?
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I have only seen the whole series once, and it's been a long time, so I don't think I can compare them right now. But I would say that this one won't let you down.:yay:
 
The Morningstar said:
When people say "overlong" it doesn't necessarily mean the film is actually too long. It's mainly due to the pacing being bad and it SEEMING overlong due to that.

And the negative things i've seen about the meta stuff are because the meta stuff is the only thing the movie has going for it. Apparently the plot isn't as tight, the characters ain't as memorable as the first movies. The movie is relying too much on it's irony and meta commentary, is what i'm getting from the reviews.

The first Scream was a great slasher movie first and foremost. With a tight plot and interesting characters. The meta commentary was part of the charm, not the only thing it had going for it.
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Yet here we go again? I've already seen the casting sides for Scream 4, and every clip and trailer has left me going ''I'm going to like that character!"

So there's just something that puts me off about these reviews still. Kevin Williamson certainly just didn't forget how to make memorable likable characters for this one special occasion, when he and his team on Vampire Diaries are still doing it each week.
 
I don't think Wes has ANYTHING to do with making a likable character. That's down to the actors and the writer. And well Wes is a ****** writer.
 
^^ I strongly disagree, but to each his own, I guess. A Nightmare On ELm Street (1984) is one of the grestest horror films ever made along with Hills Have Eyes. Both of those films had characters that I cared about. Nancy was interesting ecause at first she starts off as a scared/weak sort of girl, by the 3rd act, she becomes strong and starts makming traps for Freddy. Hills Have Eyes shows characters that are being menaced by these people and by the end of the film, the character, Doug, is literally destroying them (along with help). Wes is a great writer, IMO. Williamson deserves alot of credit, yes, but so does Wes. Trust me, if Wes wasn't directing, it'd be a different film.
 
Just because Kevin Williamson has created interesting characters before doesn't mean he will every time.

And besides, like you said, it might not be due to the writing, but the actors/actresses.

Point is, you're complaining that critics are complaining about all the meta commentary etc. They're not though, they're complaining that the meta commentary seems to be the only thing this film has got going for it and the plot and characters are more of an after thought. Which if true, is a big mistake.

The first Scream was just a great slasher movie. The meta stuff added to that, but still, the great twisty plot and interesting characters made the movie what it was.
 
Spider-ManHero12 said:
^^ I strongly disagree, but to each his own, I guess. A Nightmare On ELm Street (1984) is one of the grestest horror films ever made along with Hills Have Eyes. Both of those films had characters that I cared about. Nancy was interesting ecause at first she starts off as a scared/weak sort of girl, by the 3rd act, she becomes strong and starts makming traps for Freddy. Hills Have Eyes shows characters that are being menaced by these people and by the end of the film, the character, Doug, is literally destroying them (along with help). Wes is a great writer, IMO. Williamson deserves alot of credit, yes, but so does Wes. Trust me, if Wes wasn't directing, it'd be a different film.
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I'm not diminishing Wes's parts where he actually helped Scream. He did, but I don't think for one second he had any hands in making the characters of these films better. By the 90's he was already a terrible writer. He might have done well on his own back in the 70's, 80's, but he's not capable of writing a good screenplay these days and it's shown in his later work. I agree with you on the original Nightmare, though Nancy was pretty much a bland personality in the original Nightmare. She was very much a stereotypical final girl in that she starts off sweet and innocent and kicks ass in the final moments. Most writers can do that.

Wonderful director that man is, but not for one second has he helped Scream forge it's great characters.
 
The Morningstar said:
Just because Kevin Williamson has created interesting characters before doesn't mean he will every time.

And besides, like you said, it might not be due to the writing, but the actors/actresses.

Point is, you're complaining that critics are complaining about all the meta commentary etc. They're not though, they're complaining that the meta commentary seems to be the only thing this film has got going for it and the plot and characters are more of an after thought. Which if true, is a big mistake.

The first Scream was just a great slasher movie. The meta stuff added to that, but still, the great twisty plot and interesting characters made the movie what it was.
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And I already gave you examples of how they are quite possibly wrong and Spider-Man Hero 12 agreed with me. The dialogue from the casting sides is VERY spot on. It's delivered well in the trailers and clips so far. So it does to me look like we have a solid cast of characters.
 
JustABill said:
I'm not diminishing Wes's parts where he actually helped Scream. He did, but I don't think for one second he had any hands in making the characters of these films better. By the 90's he was already a terrible writer. He might have done well on his own back in the 70's, 80's, but he's not capable of writing a good screenplay these days and it's show in his later work.

Wonderful director that man is, but not for one second has he helped Scream forge it's great characters.
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Eh, I disagree about not being capable. The People Under The Stairs (1991) was pretty damn good in alot of peoples minds. I'll admit, My Soul To Take (2010) wasn't fantastic, but I found it to be a bit underrated in some spots. It all comes down to opinion, I guess. Don't forget, he also wrote New Nightmare (1994) which is considered great by maany, including Roger Ebert who really dislikes most horror films.
 
JustABill said:
And I already gave you examples of how they are quite possibly wrong and Spider-Man Hero 12 agreed with me. The dialogue from the casting sides is VERY spot on. It's delivered well in the trailers and clips so far. So it does to me look like we have a solid cast of characters.
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But that's your opinion from watching trailers. These people have actually seen the film and are giving their opinions.

There is no conspiracy here, they are just people giving their opinions.
 
^^ It's sort of a cult favorite among horro fans. Not the best film, but it's defenitely decent, IMO.
 
Spider-ManHero12 said:
Eh, I disagree about not being capable. The People Under The Stairs (1991) was pretty damn good in alot of peoples minds. I'll admit, My Soul To Take (2010) wasn't fantastic, but I found it to be a bit underrated in some spots. It all comes down to opinion, I guess. Don't forget, he also wrote New Nightmare (1994) which is considered great by maany, including Roger Ebert who really dislikes most horror films.
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The People Under the Stairs was the first horror movie I ever saw as a child. True story.

As for Craven. I think the man can come up with some haunting terrifying scenarios, he's just not as capable at writing them anymore. He's sort of lost his writing charm, but not his directing charming thanfully, IMO. He could be as bad as Romero in my eyes. Who just lost it all. I can't even stomach 10 seconds of his newer stuff unlike I can Craven's.
 
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